MiguelMexMIstery
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This is the true battle of the ToP
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Dragon Ball Super |OT8| There is no justice or evil, only survival or erasure.
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I shudder to think how Toei will try to one-up this...
I'd say the opposite, actually. I think Goku only acts like a father during the tail end of the Cell Arc (with his training of Gohan and his goodbye to him) and throughout his return during the Buu Arc (with his interactions at the tournament with Goten and Gohan, to his teaching Goten fusion and his time with Gohan on Kai's planet). I mean, the whole Piccolo being Gohan's dad thing stems from the period of time that you're mentioning for a reason (Goku was never around).
Wheeljack539
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TFS had them rattled so they're trying to outdo them.
Toei's Goku: "Not going to lie, but the first time I saw Goten, I thought he was Vegeta's son. I was going to thank Vegeta for keeping Chichi entertained while I was dead."
Tfs made Goku be a sex slave for chichi, before Cell tournament
Eh Goku consented and could have said no but liked the challenge and was trying to go for ten
PapaGreg95
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Reminds me of Chrollo from Hunter X Hunter
Hair Slicked back: Creepy Sensui looking mofo
Messy Hair Shonen Protag
Goku was with Gohan the entire time for four years before 'father' Piccolo kidnapped him. He then spend three years with Gohan training for the androids and another year in the time chamber.
Goku was nowhere near as absent as fans push, especially since Goku was gone for only one year after Frieza's defeat, not years like some seems to think. So out of eleven years (if we used the anime) Goku was gone for only two of them.
This is literally a joke TeamFourStar made. In their first episode!
Undead Fantasy
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So manga Vegeta is training while Bulma is pregnant unlike his anime counterpart who stayed by her side.
Another plus for the anime.
Another plus for the anime.
Lol, what?
In the same chapter Vegeta calls Goku a bad father, he then proceeds to ignores his wife/ future child?
No Dadgeta is a con, it's Vegeta at his best..
No Dadgeta is a con, it's Vegeta at his best..
The Prince of all Hypocrisies.
Kagari 
What if the manga calls Gohan's Ultimate form Mystic Gohan?
I can't handle this
I never said he was the worst treated character. That's based on a person's bias towards certain characters anyway. For a Goku fan, Goku could be the worst treated character. A lot of Z characters in Super have maintained the status quo, which is not the same for Gohan. He went from main cast status to a character that appeared one or twice an arc. Beerus destroyed him, Frieza humiliated him, Champa arc made it look like he doesn't care about the earth anymore, and the Future Trunks arc made him ignorant of what was going on with Future Trunks someone he hasn't seen in years. There's also the promise we had of him getting stronger, than took over 50 episodes to come into fruition.
Tien getting fucked over by Roshi, and Gohan, Goten and Trunks being ignored, Piccolo no longer fighting, none of these compare to that. Z started those things, Super continued it. Gohan was broken down, he went down as a character a lot. The closest to Gohan might be Gotenks who has also had it rough.
What if the manga calls Gohan's Ultimate form Mystic Gohan?
I can't handle this
I never forget Gohan in GT.
I never said he was the worst treated character. That's based on a person's bias towards certain characters anyway. For a Goku fan, Goku could be the worst treated character. A lot of Z characters in Super have maintained the status quo, which is not the same for Gohan. He went from main cast status to a character that appeared one or twice an arc. Beerus destroyed him, Frieza humiliated him, Champa arc made it look like he doesn't care about the earth anymore, and the Future Trunks arc made him ignorant of what was going on with Future Trunks someone he hasn't seen in years. There's also the promise we had of him getting stronger, than took over 50 episodes to come into fruition.
Tien getting fucked over by Roshi, and Gohan, Goten and Trunks being ignored, Piccolo no longer fighting, none of these compare to that. Z started those things, Super continued it. Gohan was broken down, he went down as a character a lot. The closest to Gohan might be Gotenks who has also had it rough.
Let's not give him any ideas...Kagari
What if the manga calls Gohan's Ultimate form Mystic Gohan?
I can't handle this
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Dragonball was a mistake. Shut it all down.
Romars202129
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Lol at Gohan being the worst treated character. I'm sorry but he literally has only just gotten the first taste of Toriyama neglect with Super.
Unless you count GT I guess.
When he's getting jobbed by Goten and Uub is questioning he'll be as useful as Roshi, call back.
Damn Skeeter with the truth bombs.
Also, I wanted to thank you guys for the support regarding 17 in FighterZ, the crusade was noticed.
Romars202129
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It was? whats the response and how big did it get?
And this is to go even further beyondGoku's new form
Xiba was based on Monkey King for folks wondering the joke
Who's to say Goku was actually with him the "entire" time, according to the Super manga he didn't even know he was born. For all we know he was training alone for 4 years and the day he introduced everyone to Gohan is the same day he met him. EDIT: As pointed out, he couldn't have met him just that day, so substitute that for any insignificant amount of time. My point was that it is an unknown, not necessarily 4 years.
His father training him was in the best interest of the Earth, Piccolo knew even stronger Saiyans were coming. I'll let the "kidnapping" slide.
I actually forgot about them training prior to the arrival of 19 & 20... (I had only remembered them training together for Cell). My bad on that.
Don't forget all the time between Cell's death and Goku's return, but I do suppose it's not as long as some, including myself, would think. I still don't believe he is necessarily a good father, though, whereas Piccolo has shown he is with Gohan AND Pan.
I actually think Gohan sees Piccolo as more of an uncle, but it's still humorous to call him his father.
I... why? Why did you have to remind me of this?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
He said specifically that Chi Chi doesn't let him train him so no
Okay, unknown period of time it is. Be it days, weeks, months or years even, who's to say?
EDIT: Updated the post to reflect this. (Not like it really matters much, though. I more or less conceded on my overall stance by the end of the post.)
Oh, cool, here's hoping it pays off!
Frieza will lose and everyone else except Goku and Gohan too. Frieza kills Shin so Beerus will die too. Beerus will transfer his power to Goku (new form) so that he can win against Jiren. Jiren fucks them up and Gohan goes new form and wins.
Goku wishes King Kai back because he promised so long ago and not everyone else back.
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Goku wishes King Kai back because he promised so long ago and not everyone else back.
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DiipuSurotu
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What's the context of this though? Maybe Goku is playing dumb, maybe he has a sense of humor?
...... Sure.
NeonZ
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I think Goku being critical of Gohan in the manga might have come directly from Toriyama. The comment he makes about Gohan being a 'benkyou baka" and having lost his gi is in both anime and manga. It's just that the anime has him saying it with a smile while the manga shows him to be annoyed. But I don't think he'd be insulting him rather than just saying he loves studying if he wasn't meant to be annoyed.
We also know that Toriyama has gone far enough to change Kaioshin's attitude in the Zamasu arc to make him more composed and serious, rather than surprised all the time like in the Buu Saga and the anime, so I don't think he'd let something that big with Goku just pass by if it didn't fit with what he intended.
That said, it kind of seems like you're adding Goku's anime flaws to his manga ones. Aside from uncaring about family stuff, Goku in the Super manga hasn't been shown to be an idiot.
We also know that Toriyama has gone far enough to change Kaioshin's attitude in the Zamasu arc to make him more composed and serious, rather than surprised all the time like in the Buu Saga and the anime, so I don't think he'd let something that big with Goku just pass by if it didn't fit with what he intended.
That said, it kind of seems like you're adding Goku's anime flaws to his manga ones. Aside from uncaring about family stuff, Goku in the Super manga hasn't been shown to be an idiot.
I have been looking forever for the OST that plays when Goku fires a Kamehameha at 17 and I've finally found it! So happy. I love this theme!
https://youtu.be/XnRD8UBLnWg
It played as recently as Goku and Vegeta finishing off Universe 9 too. I didn't know it originally came from Kai, is there a lot of reused tracks ?
https://youtu.be/XnRD8UBLnWg
It played as recently as Goku and Vegeta finishing off Universe 9 too. I didn't know it originally came from Kai, is there a lot of reused tracks ?
doubt it
the old dbz anime had Goku being colder to Gohan than the manga in the Buu saga, where Gohan had gone weaker, and dbsuper seems to go along with that attitude, that Goku is more relaxed and understanding of Gohan
in the end, remember that Toyotaro is a fan, and thus his attitude towards a weaker Gohan reflects those of a fan. Toriyama seems to think Goku is a loving father. Goku being a shitty parent is all a fan interpretation
NeonZ
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Toriyama has outright stated in interviews post-DBZ that Goku might have no concept of a family (unlike Vegeta) due to being a low class Saiyan and just sees them as close companions. That arguably clashes with some material from the original manga, but it's coming from Toriyama himself.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/episode-bardock-akira-toriyama-super-qa/
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MeisaMcCaffrey
ArchedThunder
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Some images from today's episode.
https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status/898880915916464128
https://twitter.com/DB_super2015/status/898880915916464128
DiipuSurotu
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Godku and Hit look like they're from two completely different animes.
Romars202129
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I hope Hit's jobbing is as exaggerated as 17's assumed jobbing from the last 2 eps!
RocknRola
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I kinda want to see Champa panic though!
NeonZ
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To be fair, that was just people assuming from the preview footage. This one has actually been mentioned in an episode description.
Romars202129
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Him rolling around on the floor growling Kuso is easilly top 5 Super moments for me, but still not worth dypso the lame ass rabbit busting up Hit for me
There is levels to jobbing though. It could be Goku vs Frost, or it could be Vegeta vs Hit. Only time will tell
Except Piccolo was the one who said it in the anime in the Resurrection 'F' Saga. Also, Goku wasn't critical in the anime. He just told Vegeta how it is about Gohan.
Manga Super Goku also had 'idiot' moments like him saying that he never kiss Chi-Chi (which fan put in the stupid column) along with getting a porn coupon for the Evil Containment Wave.
Kagari
What if the manga calls Gohan's Ultimate form Mystic Gohan?
I can't handle this
I never forget Gohan in GT.
I never said he was the worst treated character. That's based on a person's bias towards certain characters anyway. For a Goku fan, Goku could be the worst treated character. A lot of Z characters in Super have maintained the status quo, which is not the same for Gohan. He went from main cast status to a character that appeared one or twice an arc. Beerus destroyed him, Frieza humiliated him, Champa arc made it look like he doesn't care about the earth anymore, and the Future Trunks arc made him ignorant of what was going on with Future Trunks someone he hasn't seen in years. There's also the promise we had of him getting stronger, than took over 50 episodes to come into fruition.
Tien getting fucked over by Roshi, and Gohan, Goten and Trunks being ignored, Piccolo no longer fighting, none of these compare to that. Z started those things, Super continued it. Gohan was broken down, he went down as a character a lot. The closest to Gohan might be Gotenks who has also had it rough.
The Earth wasn't even in danger in the Champa Saga. All the characters pointed out that even if they lose, the Earth would just be moved and it isn't a big deal. Not sure why you think Gohan would care.
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