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Edge Issue 208 Scores (NSMB Wii, Ratchet, Forza, GTA, Tekken...)
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How in the fuck do you, or he, draw that conclusion?Firestorm said:
I read it as the game is good despite the fact it doesn't follow the 'Half-Life Model' and imo that's not valid criticism.Firestorm said:
Reviewers are not 'forum dwellers'. They are professionals and therefore held to a higher standard. They should not and cannot hide behind 'everything is opinion' rhetoric.Firestorm said:
I'm giving an opinion and backing it up.Firestorm said:
No reason to complain.
/irony
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I'm touching myself. 7/10
Pretty sure NSMB was already "reviewed" when they previewed it in the infamous E3 troll issue this year. The tone of it then pretty much showed they have a few writers on board with axes to grind, and the flavour of the month at E3 was Natal above all else.
I'm not surprised, but Ive stopped reading edge since.
I'm not surprised, but Ive stopped reading edge since.
twinturbo2
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Why do people keep fretting about the state of the Japanese game industry? Only weeaboo otaku losers or James Mielke care about that crap.
Ouch at the Tekken 6 score. What's the complaints about that one?
Forza 3 did as well as I expected it to.
Ouch at the Tekken 6 score. What's the complaints about that one?
Forza 3 did as well as I expected it to.
I AM JOHN!
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And that standard, as it applies to any other review of an artistic medium and writing in general, is to be able to make a compelling thesis and argument on the merit of the work, backed up by an in-depth analysis of the primary source and, if necessary, consultation with secondary sources (in this case, similar or contemporary games) with the ultimate goal of convincing the reader of your finders and hopefully contributing new views on a subject to the discussion (but of course, let's be fair, games criticism is still mostly an industry based on the "gamers first, writers second" mentality, so that rarely if ever happens). And - it just so happens - that's exactly what he did.Safe Bet said:
Whether or not you think his arguments are valid is your call alone (and for the record, I'm with you that the comparison to first-person shooters is ridiculous); that doesn't change the fact, however, that reviews, like any other essay or scholarly work, are glorified opinion pieces written from a position of expertise.
Jamie xxoo
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Oyashiro said:
Yep. And then Brawl got a 9. So they're really consistent about these things.
(The sarcasm there was obvious right? Just checking. And I don't believe in spoiler tags so don't bother telling me I'm doing it wrong. I know already.)
I AM JOHN!
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Explain. Or do you just mean that in the trollish "LOL GAMES JOURNALISM!!!" way?RandomVince said:
Visualante
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Majora said:Front Cover:
I AM JOHN! said:
I mean it genuinely. I fail to see how someone can be 'professional' and yet regularly let slip complaints that show they are just as biased as the next person. Edge 206 is a classic example, if you look through their E3 propaganda rundown which was highly unbalanced. An expert should be looking past their own bias, which is clearly not the case.
If you want to see expert opinion without the axe-grinding, look at Retro Gamer magazine. They are passionate, enthusiastic and knowledgeable. A stark contrast to Edge which has let in a lot of Eurogamer-style agenda pushing over the past 2-3 years.
..means adhering to a set of commonly agreed upon standards and practices.I AM JOHN! said:
"Mario sucks 'cuz it aint got no guns!!"* is NOT an acceptable standard of professional criticism.
Was peer to peer play and forced matchmaking mentioned in the review?Drinky Crow said:
*hyperbole for dramatic effect
I worded mine wrong. I don't mean people in general, I mean some people. The same ones he's referring to in the line just before he talks about the first person perspective:Safe Bet said:
"... its one relayed in a manner that may not win it fans among those attempting to reinvent the way games are played."
He is talking about people who want all stories in games to be like Half-Life, Portal, Bioshock, Metroid Prime, etc where you are in full control of your character at all times. Or like Fable, Fallout 3, etc where your actions "change" the story. He is saying that unlike those games, Uncharted 2 tells a great story while following the more traditional gameplay-cutscene-gameplay model.
When did I say "everything is an opinion". Not everything is an opinion. A review, however, is an opinion.
No, you are not giving an opinion. You are misinterpreting his text as negative when it is isn't.
I like how when it comes to movies 95% of reviewers can like a movie while 5% don't and that's alright but in video games opinions have to be 100% homogeneous.
tekken 6 is shaping up to be the worst rated Tekken since 4,but I am really wondering why?
What is it about the game that seem to be ticking off reviewers? I am sure the game will end up around 85-88,but I expected far more given the wait and extra amount of time to polish the game.
What is it about the game that seem to be ticking off reviewers? I am sure the game will end up around 85-88,but I expected far more given the wait and extra amount of time to polish the game.
SolidSnakex
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kitzkozan said:
There's really not much new about it. It's just Tekken but extremely polished. Many fighter fans love it though and put it up against VF in terms of balance. So the series has come a long way.
Urban Scholar
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Ahh EDGE, you come for the interesting rea...nah you come and stay for the scoring bickering.
Those articles they write are interesting though
The older articles were better. Biffovision, Redeye, and the old Sega developer whose name I wont attempt to spell incorrectly who always wrote about alcohol.
Edge used to be harsh but well reasoned. A 10 or even anything >7 meant something. Nowadays there are way too many games getting high scores, yet others getting baffling low scores. And the text never reads like a review, its either glowing sycophancy (if thats a word) or the tone contradicts the score.
The old 10s had more weight to them. Mario 64. Gran Turismo. Halo. Ocarina.
Halo 3 and GTA4? Not so much.
Edge used to be harsh but well reasoned. A 10 or even anything >7 meant something. Nowadays there are way too many games getting high scores, yet others getting baffling low scores. And the text never reads like a review, its either glowing sycophancy (if thats a word) or the tone contradicts the score.
The old 10s had more weight to them. Mario 64. Gran Turismo. Halo. Ocarina.
Halo 3 and GTA4? Not so much.
VibratingDonkey
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I can't see how Dragon Rising can score that high. You can't look past AI issues that severe when it's that important. Granted I've only played it for about two hours, but during those two hours I think I've seen more than enough already. And definitely more than I can tolerate.Majora said:
Firestorm said:
If, for example, those 5% of movie reviewers criticized The Dark Knight because they wanted it to have a first-persion shaky cam, then yes, people would criticize the reviewers. It's great to have differing opinions in reviews as long as the criticisms leveled make sense. (just nitpicking a few of the crits)
IcebergSlim3000
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DennisK4 said:
Yea except the game is actually fun and deserving of more than a 6.
silverbullet1080
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LOL @ nsmbWii score
What the dick were they thinking?
What the dick were they thinking?
faridmon said:
Well
-Most of stages and music are recycled from either KH1 or KH2
-The first half of the game is extremely slow and boring.
-Not that much mission variety
-Story is completely inaccessible if you haven't played the past games
I loved the game but I completely understand their score.
Firestorm said:
That's not true at all. People will call that 5% (or the 95%) idiots.
My problem with Edge (besides the pedestal people put it on) is that though they're actually somewhat consistent, I think they give too much weight to criteria like 'innovation' and 'story', and not enough to 'polish/mechanics'. It feels a bit like 'new games journalism' in that sometimes it seems like they're reviewing the game while wishing it was something else (or something more than just a game, anyway).
silverbullet1080 said:
Ill bet that I agree with their score once I play it. Its amazing how edge has the ability to rile of the console gamers with GOOD scores.
A 7 is a good score man, they just use the whole scale, and your spoiled to every decent game getting an 8 or 9 from website who forget that 1-5 exists. When a game gets a 7 in edge I consider it worth the buy if Im into that particular genre.
Oh and lol at bringing up Smash melees review scores. The witch hunts people go on to discredit them are amazing.
speculawyer
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6 for Borderlands? Really? That makes Edge the odd-man out on that game.
I can't wait for Gay Tony . . . I've been itching for some GTA action again.
I can't wait for Gay Tony . . . I've been itching for some GTA action again.
Torhthelm Tídwald
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Can we have less "OMG Edge gives out scores" and more "OMG Might and Magic got a 9!" Here's a a gameplay video. It looks as much like a really non-traditional SRPG as a puzzle-RPG. It also looks like it has a bit of a Magic the Gathering influence, in that the monsters exist solely to protect/attack the heroes. I think might be picking it up.
Dr Bad Dude PHD
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Killzone 2 - 7
SonOfABeep
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Finally, a tempered, and realistic Uncharted 2 Review.
They break my heart with Borderlands and Brutal Legend, though
I love EDGE's reviews because I don't agree with them every time.
They break my heart with Borderlands and Brutal Legend, though
I love EDGE's reviews because I don't agree with them every time.
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GillianSeed79
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See. I kind of like Edge. I agree 10's get thrown around way too much.
But here's my problem. When you've only given out a handful of 10's and they include Halo 3, OOT, SM64, and Half Life 2 there's a problem.
Secondly, I think 9 is fair for U2, but docking it because its main character isn't a silent, boring fuck is stupid. I don't look at CoD for great stories and HL2 is the FFVII of PC games. Get over it. The game, especially the story, is not that good.
But here's my problem. When you've only given out a handful of 10's and they include Halo 3, OOT, SM64, and Half Life 2 there's a problem.
Secondly, I think 9 is fair for U2, but docking it because its main character isn't a silent, boring fuck is stupid. I don't look at CoD for great stories and HL2 is the FFVII of PC games. Get over it. The game, especially the story, is not that good.
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Completely disagree with the Borderlands score. One of my favorite games on this gen, by far.
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Princess Carl
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not reallyCrewnh said:
that borderlands review does irk me though. Ive put alot of hours into the game already and i could easily pick it as one of my favorite games of the year. Wonder why they didnt like it.