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Eurogamer: "Microsoft's final sales pitch for Xbox One X falls flat"
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Bits N Pieces
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Because it reinforeces the perception that the Xbox brand is going to be the best place to play the biggest games, something I expect to see MS yelling from the rooftops over the next few months. That builds a groundswell of opinion that will be effective over a number of years.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
At least that one female host was good, being sarcy and behaving like a genuine human being!
Xbox is a disaster right now, and I'm not really sure what future it has going forward. The amount of stuff dropped even from the One X launch says the whole ship is taking on a dreadful amount of water. Even Major Nelson looks nervous.
-After cancelling Scalebound, they couldnt even get every person available onto Crackdown to get it out in time to avoid 2014 being marked as a cursed E3 presentation? They have Forza and thats it. They've barely had anything all year anyway!
- It sort of feels like Microsoft First Party no longer exists. I do wonder how long the 2.5 billion Minecraft "kids love this right?" purchase is going to keep the ship afloat. I'm sure it was worth not having a first party lineup anymore though.
- The 180 on VR. "Oh yeah, Scorpio will have VR! Of course!" -> "murmur murmur rabble rabble". Maybe thats because Oculus became a cursed company and they no longer wanted to associate with them, but SURPRISE, more short termism resulted in a total lack of content.
- As others have said, the One X just seems to be a way to milk their whales. Why anyone would plonk the cash into a One X and not pay just that touch more to have, oh I dunno, that STEAM thing and everything else a unwalled garden presents for entertainment, I do not know. Just really like X logos maybe.
Xbox is a disaster right now, and I'm not really sure what future it has going forward. The amount of stuff dropped even from the One X launch says the whole ship is taking on a dreadful amount of water. Even Major Nelson looks nervous.
-After cancelling Scalebound, they couldnt even get every person available onto Crackdown to get it out in time to avoid 2014 being marked as a cursed E3 presentation? They have Forza and thats it. They've barely had anything all year anyway!
- It sort of feels like Microsoft First Party no longer exists. I do wonder how long the 2.5 billion Minecraft "kids love this right?" purchase is going to keep the ship afloat. I'm sure it was worth not having a first party lineup anymore though.
- The 180 on VR. "Oh yeah, Scorpio will have VR! Of course!" -> "murmur murmur rabble rabble". Maybe thats because Oculus became a cursed company and they no longer wanted to associate with them, but SURPRISE, more short termism resulted in a total lack of content.
- As others have said, the One X just seems to be a way to milk their whales. Why anyone would plonk the cash into a One X and not pay just that touch more to have, oh I dunno, that STEAM thing and everything else a unwalled garden presents for entertainment, I do not know. Just really like X logos maybe.
Yeah, I was watching the thing yesterday and, like each year, I want an Xbox, and each year the offering is so small that I can't justify it.
I miss Halo and Gears
Back-compat is cool
Game Pass and the Origin thing are interesting
I will finally be able to play Sunset Overdrive
UI looks nice I guess
But shelling out 500 euros for a console without the first hint of one or two exclusives is a really hard sell.
Evidently everyone is different and while I like the simplicity of console gaming, when you have so small an offering I can only ask myself why I wouldn't put 500 euros in a PC upgrade.
I miss Halo and Gears
Back-compat is cool
Game Pass and the Origin thing are interesting
I will finally be able to play Sunset Overdrive
UI looks nice I guess
But shelling out 500 euros for a console without the first hint of one or two exclusives is a really hard sell.
Evidently everyone is different and while I like the simplicity of console gaming, when you have so small an offering I can only ask myself why I wouldn't put 500 euros in a PC upgrade.
Namegoes_Here
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This system is basically for X1 players who need a replacement or late adopters to the platform in general. It's a secondary concern for consumers not the selling point they need.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I was referring to the 'average joe' who gets FIFA, overwatch, battlefield, etc. and is interested in 4K content.
Multiplats drive consoles.
Niceguydan8
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LukasTaves
Member
I think the current plan to bring new customers is to focus on the more casual market now that S is at a reasonable price.
The minecraft bundle, and all the kids games Ms is readying for the holidays (Lucky's Tale, Zoo Tycoon, Disney Land and Rush) are a sign of this... To be honest, they don't need to do much more than what they already have. Create cheap bundles, have some well marketed kid games, put a month of game pass on the box, and market the hell of it as well and they should move a decent amount of units.
For mid to long term they have to price the xbonex better, as well keeping the games coming instead of indefinitely postponing them.
We're talking about people who would want to play video games such as Ori and Cuphead.
Wouldn't make a huge difference at this point. And when it comes to consoles, the majority
don't mind paying for the online services, as they get select free games and the various services that the subscriptions pay for.
GHG
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"Average joe" doesn't spend $500 to play those games when there are cheaper alternatives.
midasmulligan
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....and in other news, looks like the pre-orders are being sold out...everywhere thus far
Zvonimir Boban
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It's weird but if you were to buy an Xbone at this point in time, I'd say there isn't much point in buying any games because you can get by with just EA Access and Gamepass for a few months easily.
Savantcore
Unconfirmed Member
Not when some of the biggest games aren't even available. The new Metro going head-to-head with God of War - I know who I'm putting my money on.
MS are buiding a groundswell of opinion that there's is the best place to play games while Sony have already established that they have more games than anyone else (good games, too). Tack on the fact that the Pro has been touted as 'the most powerful console in the world' for almost a year now to little effect. I just can't see it working out for Microsoft.
EA were still releasing FIFA on PS2 until a couple of years ago. What does that tell you? Average joe just wants to play games - they largely don't give a shit where it is.
Hawk269
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I don't disagree with some of the points, but I also don't think this event was meant to be a conference type of thing were a lot of games are announced. I also don't think this would be a "final sales pitch". We are still 2 Months and 17 days from release, I think we will hear a bit more out of MS between now and then.
Vinterbird
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Cthulhu_Steev
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Got mine preordered, but I don't know if I'm going to bother following through, the money was for a Switch and games when Mario releases but I'll keep it ordered until nearer the time. Not really feeling 'new console buzz' about it, like I am Switch and I don't know if I have room for all three consoles and PCs (plus Retropie).
Yeah, doubt I'll be doing it again. Failed experiment, apart from the PSVR improvements it's not really worth it.
Yeah, doubt I'll be doing it again. Failed experiment, apart from the PSVR improvements it's not really worth it.
Totally. This annoys me so much.
Some people just can't get out of the console war mentality. Everything Microsoft does with games and Xbox has to hurt Sony in some way or it is a terrible move apparently -- even when it is beneficial to gamers.
There is enough video game money to go around for Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo to be successful. Everything each of them does doesn't have to be about taking down the other. Xbox One X doesn't have to be this magic device that miraculously catapults them ahead of Sony. It can just be a higher end box for people already invested in Xbox who want their games to look better or for people with 4K TVs that are starved for content. Why is that so terrible?
Also, do some of you just not play third-party games or something? All of the big games coming out this fall are on Xbox, and will most likely be best on Xbox One X (as far as consoles go). How is owning the system that they will run best on such a hard value proposition to understand?
I don't think it is worth it to them, if they have to offer free online. The amount of money they would lose is too significant.
The Average Joe is not going to buy an Xbox One X, The main people buying it is the hardcore gamers especially at the price they are asking.
cHaOs667
Member
For people like you there is the X1 (S). At least here in Germany you can get an X1 S with 7 games for 279 (Saturn or MediaMarkt - can't remember exactly)...
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
It's going to fall behind Switch.
Sure but we're not sure about quantity either. Also didn't only the Scropio editions go up?
RichiRamjag
Member
EA access is where it's at. I didn't want to rebuy Titanfall or BF1 on my Xbox (my son chose the Xbox so he could play with his friends) and I wanted to play them with him. 18 bucks and I've got em for a year. Can't beat that tbh.
TimeEffect
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At this point, I don't see the next Xbox being anything but a PC console.
They aren't going to bother with the exclusives today, then they won't be there ready to play tomorrow. Xbox really just seems to have quit competing.
Next gen, I fully expect the PS5/Nintendo rivalry to be full on, and Im curious how the PS5 will sell without the Xbox at its tail.
They aren't going to bother with the exclusives today, then they won't be there ready to play tomorrow. Xbox really just seems to have quit competing.
Next gen, I fully expect the PS5/Nintendo rivalry to be full on, and Im curious how the PS5 will sell without the Xbox at its tail.
We live in the time of resellers. It has never been as rampid as it is now. Most people buy now think later. Attempt to make a prophit and simply return if it does not work in their favor.
bananafactory
Banned
Ding
The kind of person who will drop 500-600 on a gaming console is exactly the type of person who will care about exclusives. Therein lies the problem.
The multiplats are also bigger system sellers early in the gen when first party output hasnt ramped up yet. 4 years in its definitely more about overall content and where your friends are at. It's no coincidence PS4 and Switch are wiping the floor with the X1 this year. They have killer games only available to play there.
nekkid
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LukasTaves
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You don't have to support a competing platform to be pro consumer. They are obviously leveraging the fact that it's both their platforms, but it's still a very nice feature that no one else offers.
I'm pointing out how with very little additional effort, it could have been a better presentation to that end.
cHaOs667
Member
And Microsoft said several times that the average Joe is not their target for the X1X...
The best place is where your friends and the best games are. For a lot of people, that's not going to be on an Xbox. I have never met a human, in person, that owns an Xbone. Not a single one. Power alone wins you nothing.
Niceguydan8
Member
Honestly, most people that play video games seem to feel that way.
That's not how I feel, but it's hard to argue that I'm not in the minority.
I don't think anyone expected the Xbox One X not to sell 50k worldwide.
Duxxy3
Member
Obviously I don't account for everyone, but I don't know of a single person that ditched their PC and never went back. I'm sure there are people that have done it, but I don't personally know of one.
The appeal of a tablet wears off after a couple months. They're fine for watching youtube or netflix.
Not saying that tablets don't have their uses. We have few of them at work. They're used as mobile POS terminals. Everything else is done on PC.
I agree with EG. Frankly, I see the XBX as a tribute to Xbox fans (and console fans) everywhere. It just provides a premium experience (hardware-wise).
If I already owned an XBO S, I wouldn't have pre-ordered an XBX. The premium price would not be justified with the console has to offer. Outside the core fan base, I highly doubt the XBX will be much of a success.
If I already owned an XBO S, I wouldn't have pre-ordered an XBX. The premium price would not be justified with the console has to offer. Outside the core fan base, I highly doubt the XBX will be much of a success.
Miniature Kaiju
Member
If they're not price-sensitive consumers.
If they're willing to switch platforms instead of getting the marginally weaker but cheaper Pro.
If none of the best games is a PS4 exclusive.
And MS would be happy with that GamePass sub, an most likely XBLG for those online games you get with GP and EAA.
I think the article is fine but I think it doesn't really matter as most consumers weren't watching gamescom. So that sales pitch really just echoing what they've been saying all along. MS just needs to get on the good 1st party games front and for hardcore gamers. But in the end the X1X will sell fine (not like we'll know exactly how much they sold anyways...lol) and get the increased game sales from gamers who want the highest fidelity games. Probably just a little bump.
Personally, I'm not buying a 1X until I get a 4K TV...I have no need for it right now.
BudokaiMR2
Member
I'm perfectly fine playing them on my PC.
Do what you want. But the notion that Cuphead and Ori would be the games that sell someone a console is just odd to me. Those games in particular could be played on a laptop I'd assume.
OrbitalBeard
Member
This genuinely means nothing, other than the fact that the Xbox One X won't have a disastrous launch. The Wii U pre-orders also sold out.
midasmulligan
Member
I think bundled Scorpios were all that people could find, not sure on that though. I agree, no numbers known, but think there's a player base in the high end market with 4k tv's and desire to utilize them that will roll over their old xbox'/ps4 and pick one up...we'll see, but I certainly don't think the release is going to be doomed
Luckydog
Member
This seems like the most accurate assessment......