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Execution takes two hours for man to die
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It was more of an experiment than an accident.
Talk about tripling down.
speculawyer
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2 hours? How did the USA get incompetent at killing people?
How civilized of us...
entremet
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Dropping them into an Olympic sized pool? You mean with a weight?
As someone who almost drowned as a kid, it is terrifying.
Christopher
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Everyone on this forum has a bleeding heart until it happens to them personally. If you had premeditated thought into killing someone or taking someone's life....I'm just not sure how I feel.
yup. i agree with this people like james holmes or John Hughes that we are feeding in jail instead of putting a bullet in his head and costing nobody anything. its so stupid....
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I am not sure I follow. It just seems like pretty basic sense to me that him killing 2 innocents is worse in terms of morality than the people screwing his execution up after being alotted 2 decades of appeals. That is all I am saying.
"Antoine Lavoisier, the French chemist who lived between 1743 and 1794, was caught up in the revolution and faced beheading. He asked friends to observe closely as he would continue blinking as long as possible after being killed. He was reported to have blinked for 15 seconds after decapitation."
The guillotine sure doesn't seem like the most humane way. Something that leaves the brain alone entirely sounds a hell of a lot scarier and more cruel than a gunshot to the head.
So, you want to pull the trigger?
NullPointer
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This probably comes up all the time in these threads but why not an extreme morphine overdose?
It seems like the most humane way anybody could die.
It seems like the most humane way anybody could die.
thats what they did. just with a more potent opioid
hydrophilic attack
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Capital punishment is barbaric and should not be used in a civilized country. The rest of the Western world is shaking their heads at you.
I read an article (might have been in the NYT) that described how export bans in the European Union have limited US access to one of the three drugs in the three drug cocktail.
Unfortunately, rather than doing the sensible thing and putting executions on hold in the interim, some American states decided to try and experiment on their own to find a replacement, leading to the recent increase in botched executions.
I read an article (might have been in the NYT) that described how export bans in the European Union have limited US access to one of the three drugs in the three drug cocktail.
Unfortunately, rather than doing the sensible thing and putting executions on hold in the interim, some American states decided to try and experiment on their own to find a replacement, leading to the recent increase in botched executions.
TheLostBigBoss
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That's exactly the issue, and it's a fucking embarrassment. The fact that this is just the newest botched execution in a string of them is getting to be ridiculous. First Ohio, then Oklahoma, now Arizona. Great.
It makes me kind of wonder if people would have a favorable opinion of the death penalty if say a person gunned down their aunt in the front yard and then went inside and shot their grandparents until they stopped moving. Oh also the person who did it has zero remorse at all.
Ninja Scooter
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Would I want them to die? Yes. Should the government kill them for me? No.
GoldenEye 007
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Well you could probably put someone under. Then shoot or decapitate them.
Just make a headshotting execution drone already, but I suppose that would be even less humane
As for the penalty itself...eh, I can support both sides to be honest. On the one hand I don't really see much of a reason to keep murderers around. They have a history of being too dangerous, and they are simply not worth the risk for the people behind bars much less the public. On the other hand I guess the death penalty can be murder too although with the USA's prison situation it might be doing them a favor. Up to the voters.
As for the penalty itself...eh, I can support both sides to be honest. On the one hand I don't really see much of a reason to keep murderers around. They have a history of being too dangerous, and they are simply not worth the risk for the people behind bars much less the public. On the other hand I guess the death penalty can be murder too although with the USA's prison situation it might be doing them a favor. Up to the voters.
So you are absolutely certain of that? It's not unknown for patients to become aware but unable to move or communicate during operations under general anesthesia. In the meantime, we're just going to experiment on death row inmates just because we can?
NullPointer
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Yea, but if you are gonna do it, you might as well do it quickly and cheaply.
Northeastmonk
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It just raises a lot of eccentric debates, that's all.
It's still messy and their body will still try to function until the very end. We also don't know for sure exactly what's going on in the brain of the executed person as they're dying.
I don't understand why they don't just slowly OD them on Morphine...that would be completely painless. You'd just go to sleep and stop breathing.
Anyways, this kind of shit isn't why I'm against the death penalty. The ONLY reason I'm against it is that we can never be 100% accurate in whom we put to death. Some people will be wrongly executed and this is one of those zero-sum games. If 100% can't be guaranteed then it should be nothing at all.
That said, if this guy truly did what he was accused of. Fuck em'. I don't really care if it took two hours.
Anyways, this kind of shit isn't why I'm against the death penalty. The ONLY reason I'm against it is that we can never be 100% accurate in whom we put to death. Some people will be wrongly executed and this is one of those zero-sum games. If 100% can't be guaranteed then it should be nothing at all.
That said, if this guy truly did what he was accused of. Fuck em'. I don't really care if it took two hours.
Partial Gamification
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Who said the US was completely civilized? US has some crazy shit that I don't even know how to describe other than speak of the innocent people that have been sentenced to death row, and then exonerated (because they were innocent); or, the innocent people that a state has murdered under a false conviction.
One-in-twenty-five, at four percent. One-in-twenty, at five percent. Barbarism to satiate blood-lust and vengeance.
Yeah sorry the last thing that needs to be quick and cheap is state sanctioned executions.
All of the arguments for the death penalty boil down to the same old appeal to emotion. Sure, if something heinous happened to a loved one, I'd want to strangle the attacker myself - but that doesn't matter. The State should not be acting on base human emotion. There's also no guarantee that the justice system is going to deliver a correct verdict 100% of the time. In fact, we already know it doesn't.
SirMossyBloke
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Disgusting.
Yet this is the land that gives you free lawyers, charges you for health care and let's almost anyone own a gun.
Nothing will change.
Yet this is the land that gives you free lawyers, charges you for health care and let's almost anyone own a gun.
Nothing will change.
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No, I think good arguments have been made against the death penalty and Im not a supporter like I used to be. In this case though he was proven guilty and had plenty of time to appeal so I cant personally feel like this injustice is greater than the injustice he committed in the first place.
to an extent, different drugs than general anesthesia and being used for different purposes.
during surgery they have to be more careful with sedation because they want to avoid adverse events and making someone become unstable.
here they are sedating you with pain killers until the adverse effects (respiratory depression) kill you. no under dosing required
and regarding experimenting, you'd be hard pressed to find a doc unfamiliar with a benzo/opiate combo
The Faceless Master
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they want it to be fast.
and humane.
and not look awful.
at the same time.
that rules out slow stuff like morphine and stuff that looks bad like firing squads, guillotines and hangings...
gutter_trash
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what about that anesthetic stuff Michal Jackson used too much of to sleep that they use for surgery?
pump the convic full of that sleep stuff then use whatever form to end his life while he is knocked out
pump the convic full of that sleep stuff then use whatever form to end his life while he is knocked out
Partial Gamification
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Not with that attitude, buddy. Listen up pal, the civil rights struggle is vast. Look at the progress with LGBT rights, things change friend. I reckon, pilgrim, there is a struggle ahead but you have to work for what you believe in. Fighting for it will just break stuff and cause more harm, partner.
As stated before, that is exactly what they did. And that's exactly what happened
is no one even looking at what they used to execute him
Well, hydromorphone and morphine are basically the same thing, only hydromorphone is much more potent per milligram.
I was just talking about our familys situation.
Im not pro death penalty but I dont think people would blame if I did.
Tinfoilhatsron
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You have a seriously hard time accepting that someone died in a painful way. Just admit that you don't give a fuck he died that way and move on. Your denials are getting more and more ridiculous.
neoism
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fixed
they've had a loong time to practice fucking up and they are really good at it...
GoldenEye 007
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Well the death penalty recently went to the Supreme Court and was banned for a short period in the 70s I think? While I think ultimately the SC will reverse itself once again, it's not like the US hasn't already been down this road.
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