Dreams-Visions
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Come on Zoe.
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Come on Zoe.
I'm going back to my bubble comment. Things do not exist in bubbles. I was listing a reason someone in a nice community may be out at night in the rain. Most people would chose to just stay home or drive. When they are out for exercise, proper safety dictates wearing light clothes and reflective material.
I'm going back to my bubble comment. Things do not exist in bubbles. I was listing a reason someone in a nice community may be out at night in the rain. When they are out for exercise, proper safety dictates wearing light clothes and reflective material.
I'm going back to my bubble comment. Things do not exist in bubbles. I was listing a reason someone in a nice community may be out at night in the rain. Most people would chose to just stay home or drive. When they are out for exercise, proper safety dictates wearing light clothes and reflective material.
The fuck does working out have to do with a kid being gunned down walking to a store for skittles and a tea?
I'm sure a white guy has never been shot entering someone's home unexpectedly. Never.
I'm going back to my bubble comment. Things do not exist in bubbles. I was listing a reason someone in a nice community may be out at night in the rain. When they are out for exercise, proper safety dictates wearing light clothes and reflective material.
Please read everything rather than selectively quoting.
He really should put on white face as well. Then he wouldn't be suspicious at all!
Added bonus, he is more visible at night!
I'm going back to my bubble comment. Things do not exist in bubbles. I was listing a reason someone in a nice community may be out at night in the rain. Most people would chose to just stay home or drive. When they are out for exercise, proper safety dictates wearing light clothes and reflective material.
Please read everything rather than selectively quoting.
I'm reading, but I'm not seeing anything that makes sense. Please clarify how reflective clothing and bright colors should be the norm when going out for skittles and tea at night, or tell me how exercising has three tenths of a fuck to do with this story at all?
I'm reading, but I'm not seeing anything that makes sense. Please clarify how reflective clothing and bright colors should be the norm when going out for skittles and tea at night, or tell me how exercising has three tenths of a fuck to do with this story at all?
I'm saying from my experiences in the environments that I've lived in and the times we live in, it's not unthinkable to find someone walking alone at night to be suspicious.
Also he should've been wearing a reflective sign saying "Non-Criminal, Not-Selling Drugs, Non- Gang Affliliated"
Have you ever held a gun and a taser?
Also, the guy was complying, laying face down. There was no need to taser him.
I'm saying from my experiences in the environments that I've lived in and the times we live in, it's not unthinkable to find someone walking alone at night to be suspicious.
She's saying that when living in a nice community the only reason why one would go out at night in the rain is if they're exercising, and being so, they should wear reflective equipment. Even with separating this from the actual story, I can say that this statement is full of shit.
No man, then they would KNOW he's a Criminal Selling drugs, Gang affiliated in disguise!
Yes I have, and I was under the impression police grade tasers are often shaped and molded to look and feel very similar to their sidearms:
Actually, wearing reflective clothing in the dark makes you more visible to moving vehicles and thus less likely to be struck by one.
^ why oh why do people insist on using "ish"... That's the stupidest shit I've heard.
It is however, unthinkable to stalk said person, call them a "fucking coon", pursue them, attempt to restrain them, then shoot them because they went to defend themselves.
And he would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for those meddling kids and their stupid dog!
The only alternative I can propose is that all black people must go out wearing clothes deemed not suspicious by white folks like myself. Khaki's, a buttoned up shirt and a sweater vest. Basically look like Bill Cosby.
Actually, wearing reflective clothing in the dark makes you more visible to moving vehicles and thus less likely to be struck by one.
I never disputed that. I said almost everything he did after he started talking to the 911 operator was wrong.
And I guess in a firefight a police officer at one point probably accidentally took out his taser to shoot a criminal rather than his gun.
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Not really sure what you're implying, but yes, I'm sure it has happened. Obviously you wouldn't hear about it unless the officer died as a direct result of the mistake, but it seems likely it has happened on several occasions.
I truly fear for American police forces then. That someone would be that incompetent to not know their gun from their taser blows my mind, and either shows that police officers in the US are in desperate need of retraining or worse.
You also indirectly justified him profiling the teen as suspicious, based on the neighborhood he was in, and the type of clothing he was wearing. You went on to suggest people wear bright, reflective clothing at night to avoid looking suspicious and thus, being shot down by a random wannabe neighborhood watch captain.
How you even got that far with your rationale before your thought process slammed on the brakes is beyond me.
At some point man you just have to know what's plausible to yourself and anyone else not looking to defend criminals by extreme reasonable doubt.
I really don't want to take attention away from this case, but we all know that Police officers get lighter sentences, if any, compared to ordinary citizens. If there is ANY doubt in a cops guilt, he will be given the lesser sentence.
Yes, and as community watch, "profiling" suspicious individuals is kind of why he's out there wasting his time in the first place. Emphasis suspicious individual--not race, sex, age, or anything else. The details of the person don't matter, only that it's someone out on a rainy night in Hoodie looking around at houses. That would fit anybody's profile if they were placed in Zimmerman's shoes. The issue is not that he "profiled", it's how he chose to act on it.
Given the shitty situations they are in on a daily basis, black or white, they should be afforded that luxury. Everyone makes mistakes on their jobs, but not most of us can be arrested and lose everything we have at our work by a shitty split second decision, not to mention it can be life or death situations. They should only get heavier trouble if you can outright prove malice, motive and guilt.
Also if they arrest this guy, will the case hold up in court? Is there sufficient evidence to prove murder or manslaughter? Or can the guys self defense case hold up? (I haven't been following the details)
Given the shitty situations they are in on a daily basis, black or white, they should be afforded that luxury. Everyone makes mistakes on their jobs, but not most of us can be arrested and lose everything we have at our work by a shitty split second decision, not to mention it can be life or death situations. They should only get heavier trouble if you can outright prove malice, motive and guilt.
Also if they arrest this guy, will the case hold up in court? Is there sufficient evidence to prove murder or manslaughter? Or can the guys self defense case hold up? (I haven't been following the details)
You're missing the point.
I think you missed Zoe's point that there can be general expectation of what kind of dress is commonly seen on people in a given place at night in the rain. Is it that absurd to find it suspicious if you see something that doesn't fit the criteria that you are used to seeing?
I think you missed Zoe's point that there can be general expectation of what kind of dress is commonly seen on people in a given place at night in the rain. Is it that absurd to find it suspicious if you see something that doesn't fit the criteria that you are used to seeing?
Might as well not waste your time quoting me, you're practically on ignore as far as responding to your drivel goes
Given the shitty situations they are in on a daily basis, black or white, they should be afforded that luxury. Everyone makes mistakes on their jobs, but not most of us can be arrested and lose everything we have at our work by a shitty split second decision, not to mention it can be life or death situations. They should only get heavier trouble if you can outright prove malice, motive and guilt.
Also if they arrest this guy, will the case hold up in court? Is there sufficient evidence to prove murder or manslaughter? Or can the guys self defense case hold up? (I haven't been following the details)
You can find anything in the world suspicious if you choose to. It's what you do AFTER you've determined something suspicious that defines your character.
I am so disappointedZoe not you too!
I think you missed Zoe's point that there can be general expectation of what kind of dress is commonly seen on people in a given place at night in the rain. Is it that absurd to find it suspicious if you see something that doesn't fit the criteria that you are used to seeing?
Yes I have, and I was under the impression police grade tasers are often shaped and molded to look and feel very similar to their sidearms:
If your criteria is wearing a hoodie when it's raining...yes.
Yes, and as community watch, "profiling" suspicious individuals is kind of why he's out there wasting his time in the first place. Emphasis suspicious individual--not race, sex, age, or anything else. The details of the person don't matter, only that it's someone out on a rainy night in Hoodie looking around at houses. That would fit anybody's profile if they were placed in Zimmerman's shoes. The issue is not that he "profiled", it's how he chose to act on it. The racism camp want's to put the focus on profiling cause the teen happened to be black, but the reality is (if Zimmerman's 911 claims are accurate and truthful) Trayvon's actions/dress/mannerisms would be construed as suspicious regardless of his color.
Yes I have, and I was under the impression police grade tasers are often shaped and molded to look and feel very similar to their sidearms:
It doesn't just apply to that though....it can include someone's demeanor, whether or not they're recognizable as a neighbor, and yes, the time of day can all influence someone's judgement of what is suspicious.
That being said, the man made several sequential terrible decisions one after the other, and he fucked up. As soundafekz said, he acted very poorly on his judgement and in the end I'm sure he'll pay for it.
So there is a set demeanor I should effect to not be seen as suspicious?
I think you missed Zoe's point that there can be general expectation of what kind of dress is commonly seen on people in a given place at night in the rain. Is it that absurd to find it suspicious if you see something that doesn't fit the criteria that you are used to seeing?
So there is a set demeanor I should effect to not be seen as suspicious?
So there is a set demeanor I should effect to not be seen as suspicious?