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Famitsu Sales: Top 100 2008
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We want good and promising RPGs, not some pseudo DD crap that looks like stuff you can play on a PC.icecream said:
And what I meant is that they need to encourage dev's to make JRPGs for their system, not let them go to the 360 :? like they have been doing.
hateradio said:
This was your quote:
hateradio said:
I didn't realise that when you said RPG you meant the meaning of RPGs that only fit your own narrow definition. Because Demon's Souls fits exactly into the description of what you just wrote.
I personally hope for the best for DEMON'S SOULS. If it manages to carry on the KING'S FIELD legacy then it will be even better. But then, I love RPGS. RPGs that includes Wizardry & Ultimas as well as Final Fantasy and Persona.
I guess I should have been more clear? Oh well. I'm not a big fan of Form Software ... and DS doesn't seem very interesting, but that's just imo. Besides, having one RPG in Sony's personal basket doesn't help. FFXIII seems to be the only one true "big hitter" but it's not exclusive outside of Japan of course. Then Versus, and then ??? who knows, maybe some ports. I doubt WKC/Complete would happen.
That's that. Are there any other notable RPGs?
Oh, edit: Like I said ports, LR PS3 has seem to have fallen off the face of the planet, but then again, I haven't had much personal interest in it either
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That's that. Are there any other notable RPGs?
Oh, edit: Like I said ports, LR PS3 has seem to have fallen off the face of the planet, but then again, I haven't had much personal interest in it either
too predictable
JoshuaJSlone
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After the mid-2008 Top 100 came out I made this bar version, using the same scales and platform colors as the weekly Top 30 bars that sit in donny2112's Famitsu posts. With the full-year numbers out I swapped out the old numbers/colors for the new ones, modified the title, and here's the result.
In all SCEI's R&D history, I'm only aware of 3 RPGs they developed entirely inhouse (Popolocrois 3-4 and Legend of Dragoon). Everything else has been partially or entirely outsourced to 3rd parties. In fact, the vast, vast majority of SCEI's games are outsourced.Shadow780 said:
I wish they'd throw some "charity" at Gooch for Cry-On.CrushDance said:
JoshuaJSlone
Member
So this is pretty interesting. Famitsu has a habit of combining major weeks when they can't be assed to report them separately. However, since these totals end right in the middle of the two weeks they recently mashed together, we should be able to deduce what each of the individual weeks were. Going even further, since there's a 2007 total given, we might even be able to unsplit the old combined number for the last week of 2006 and first week of 2007. But for now I focus on 2008.bttb said:
There are actually two methods we can use to try to figure out the weeks. One would be going with the lifetime sales given through the end of 2008, then subtracting what we have as the lifetime sales through the week starting 2008-12-15. The other would be to take the 2008 total given, and subtract what we have as the total for the weeks of 2007-12-31 through 2008-12-15. I've done both. If they match, then it seems like a Good Fit. If they don't, something is up. Of course, if I've got an existing mistake somewhere in my data, using that as a basis for subtraction could cause some minor errors, but hey.
Pretty sure
Wii
2008-12-22: 162,285
2008-12-29: 141,445
DSi
2008-12-22: 217,676
2008-12-29: 200,667
Though since this is new to 2008, both methods of figuring out the missing weeks used the exact same numbers.
PS3
2008-12-22: 48,815
2008-12-29: 67,998
PSP
2008-12-22: 120,036
2008-12-29: 169,208
X360
2008-12-22: 13,017
2008-12-29: 18,930
Less sure
If anyone else who keeps track of this stuff wants to double check these, that'd be good. It's always possible the mistake is on my end.
DSL
It gave total NDS numbers as well as DSi numbers. I subtracted the latter from the former and then used previous totals of DS+DSL; since they haven't given original model DS numbers since September 2007, I figured that would be a non-factor. However, using the "subtract from 2008 total" method I get 57,736 for the first missing week, and using the "subtract from lifetime total" method I get 57,961 for the first missing week.
PS2
The lifetime PS2 total I have from old numbers is vastly different from what Famitsu claims as the LTD, but I've known that for a while. I don't know if this means one of my old sources of Famitsu data had errors or Famitsu just changed the PS2 lifetime total behind the scenes on the sly. Whatever the reason, though, this means I can't possibly get a match using both methods. However, using the "subtract from 2008 total" method I get 13,010 for the first week and 18,998 for the second.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
I corrected some errors in my weekly numbers, and now my version of the PS3 number matches what bttb posted. The others are probably right, too; I just haven't figured out all my errors. I think my version of unsplitting last year's joined year-crossing two-week period has some problems which are throwing things off.
hateradio said:
I'd imagine most HD JRPGs will be on both HD twins from here on out. Square-Enix has sent a clear message to anyone attempting a HD RPG by making a historically exclusive main entry in a franchise into a multi-platform release. I wouldn't be surprised if Versus becomes multi-platform some where down the line.
It'll come down to first-party exclusives. We've seen Sony favoring Western titles, such as action-adventure and shooters, over Japan-centric titles. Microsoft will probably ease up on the gas in regards to funding JRPGs. They got the ball rolling and they are at "JRPG parity" (if not ahead) with the PS3.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Now that's some interesting stuff. Some low enough that it won't even be on the eventual Top 500 list.
The Gyakuten Saiban "NEW Best Price! 2000" releases sticks out in particular; since Ace Attorney in general has thrived on rereleases I figured these would do crazy things out of sight. Using the data from the last time they were each in the Top 30 (April/May), the sum of the four releases was 91,134. Through the end of 2008 they're at a combined 333,709. I also notice that GS4/Apollo Justice was the first to drop out of sight and thus appeared to be doing worst, but since then it came back to #2. They're all pretty even, though.
EDIT: Ahaha. Haven't put these numbers in Garaph yet, but when I do it appears the original release of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney will once again appear to be the worst-selling. DS best price > DS original > DS NEW best price > GBA best price > GBA original. Though honestly since we weren't getting Top 500s in 2002/2003 it probably did a bit better out of sight. Probably it did enough more to at least pass the GBA best price version.
The Gyakuten Saiban "NEW Best Price! 2000" releases sticks out in particular; since Ace Attorney in general has thrived on rereleases I figured these would do crazy things out of sight. Using the data from the last time they were each in the Top 30 (April/May), the sum of the four releases was 91,134. Through the end of 2008 they're at a combined 333,709. I also notice that GS4/Apollo Justice was the first to drop out of sight and thus appeared to be doing worst, but since then it came back to #2. They're all pretty even, though.
EDIT: Ahaha. Haven't put these numbers in Garaph yet, but when I do it appears the original release of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney will once again appear to be the worst-selling. DS best price > DS original > DS NEW best price > GBA best price > GBA original. Though honestly since we weren't getting Top 500s in 2002/2003 it probably did a bit better out of sight. Probably it did enough more to at least pass the GBA best price version.
Cosmonaut X
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Spiegel said:Oh... jarrod you have to see this.
Heh, I thought of the two of you the moment I saw that listing
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Got in just the DS numbers for now.
2858 = GS1
2871 = GS4
2872 = GS3
2859 = GS2
2858 = GS1
2871 = GS4
2872 = GS3
2859 = GS2
test_account
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Did these extra 43,460 copies sold of Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street Portable change anything about what you said about that the game underpreformed though?jarrod said:
In this previous post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14444789&postcount=423
Not really. At the time Itadaki's performance was pretty lukewarm, and likely factored into Horii's future platform plans. If it'd had sold better, he'd have probably done more PSP games.test_account said:Did these extra 43,460 copies sold of Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street Portable change anything about what you said about that the game underpreformed though?
In this previous post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14444789&postcount=423
That said, the game did okay for what it was. Not great, not terrible, just okay.
test_account
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Okjarrod said:
Not to go too much off-topic, but how does Itadaki Street for the PSP compare to other handhelds (or consoles for that matter) ports? If i am not mistaken, Itadaki Street for the PSP was pretty much a straight port of the PS2 game? If this is the case, then i think of other ports that are pretty much a direct port, not re-makes or ports that have relatively much added extra material compared to how much material the first version of the game had.Ye, the first PSP version came out in 2006 and this Ultimate Hits re-release came out in 2008 (i think?), so the decition about supporting the PSP anymore might have already been made before the Ultimate Hits re-release was released, so might be that this Ultimate Hits re-release wont/wouldnt change anything anyway.
Maybe the preformance of Itadaki Street for the PSP had something to do with their future plans to support the PSP, but i think it would be a pity to just test out the PSP market with an PS2 port back in 2006 instead of making a new game for the PSP instead and test how that would sell, at least in my opinion. The PSP has shown that games could sell now. But their games does great on the DS, so maybe they dont see the need to try to test out the PSP in case it doesnt suceed like they want, i dont know :\
EDIT: I added some text.
Itadaki PSP wasn't a direct port iirc, it followed Sony's vague "120%" rule with some new content (mainly new characters and boards I think). It also launched pretty early on PSP, at a time when there wasn't really much in terms of competition and before the bottom had dropped out on PSP software sales. It sold less than a third what the PS2 original did... which is probably in line for most PS2 to PSP ports that aren't Monster Hunter.test_account said:Ok
Ye, the first PSP version came out in 2006 and this Ultimate Hits re-release came out in 2008 (i think?), so the decition about supporting the PSP anymore might have already been made before the Ultimate Hits re-release was released, so might be that this Ultimate Hits re-release wont/wouldnt change anything anyway.
Maybe the preformance of Itadaki Street for the PSP had something to do with their future plans to support the PSP, but i think it would be a pity to just test out the PSP market with an PS2 port back in 2006 instead of making a new game for the PSP instead and test how that would sell, at least in my opinion. The PSP has shown that games could sell now. But their games does great on the DS, so maybe they dont see the need to try to test out the PSP in case it doesnt suceed like they want, i dont know :\
EDIT: I added some text.
Honestly, I think Horii should reconsider PSP. Even if just for something like a Shonen Yangus or Battle Road port or whatever, seems like those sorts of spinoffs would probably do okay.
test_account
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Ah ok, i thought it was pretty much a straight port from the PS2 version, i am sorry :\ You are right, there are new stuff added, at least 4 new characters and maybe some new boards as you sayjarrod said:
http://pspupdates.qj.net/category/Dragon-Quest-Final-Fantasy-in-Itadaki-Street-Portable/cid/1188
Ye, but it is still a port of an PS2 game though, much competition or not
Sure, the more competition, the harder it might be to sell, and i fully agree, but maybe many of the people who were interested in the game had already played the PS2 version and because of this maybe they werent so interested in the PSP version, even if there were little competition with the PSP software at that time, i dont know, i am just guessing Ok, so it has sold about what the other PS2 ports has done? Ye, than the preformace seems to be ok as you said, i agree
Thanks for the info! Ye, i agree, it might have been worth it for Horii to give the PSP another chance, even if it is just a port of some game as you sayjarrod said:
I wonder how they would sell now on the PSP, maybe they could have made some money on the PSP now.Itadaki PS2 was the first game with Final Fantasy AND Dragon Quest characters and it was released in Christmas. The previous Itadaki game on ps2 (Itadaki Street three billionaires on you! To tutor with!) sold 163k LTD
http://garaph.info/softwareindividual.php?gameid=973
Itadaki PSP didn't have the novelty of being the first game with FF & DQ characters, it wasn't released in Christmas, it was a port with some extras and sold ~ like the first Itadaki Ps2.
I don't see where is the problem or the disappointment
A DQ on psp would be nice but it doesn't seem likely.
http://garaph.info/softwareindividual.php?gameid=973
Itadaki PSP didn't have the novelty of being the first game with FF & DQ characters, it wasn't released in Christmas, it was a port with some extras and sold ~ like the first Itadaki Ps2.
I don't see where is the problem or the disappointment
A DQ on psp would be nice but it doesn't seem likely.
Gyakuten Saiban 4: 598,101
Gyakuten Saiban: 468,611
Gyakuten Saiban 2: 288 553
Gyakuten Saiban 3: 251,302
I think GS2 and GS3 are above 400K when you count their GBA counterparts too.
Seems Capcom's game do well when they budget price them, even more than once. Even Biohazard Deadly Silence got two budget re-releases. I'm pretty sure that one will sell quite well if we see it on the charts again.
Gyakuten Saiban: 468,611
Gyakuten Saiban 2: 288 553
Gyakuten Saiban 3: 251,302
I think GS2 and GS3 are above 400K when you count their GBA counterparts too.
Seems Capcom's game do well when they budget price them, even more than once. Even Biohazard Deadly Silence got two budget re-releases. I'm pretty sure that one will sell quite well if we see it on the charts again.
test_account
XP-39C²
Ah, compared to the first Itadaki Street game on the PS2, the PSP port of Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street PS2 seems to be fairy good i thinkSpiegel said:
Granted, the Ultimate Hits re-release was released relatively late compared to the first release (i think so at least?), so those 43,460 copies that were sold in 2008 might have been sold too "late", i mean, maybe Horii took their decition not to make more PSP games before they saw how the Ultimate Hits re-release sold, but i am not sure :\ Ye, i dont think that Horii should be disappointed on how Dragon Quest & Final Fantasy in Itadaki Street Portable sold. I am not saying that they are disappointed, but hypotetically if they should be dissapointed, then i dont think there is too much reasons to be so
Maybe they wanted the PS2 port to sell better on the PSP what the did, but i would guess that they made money on this port at least, and especially after seeing how the "BEST" version sold (even if this version is cheaper in price, maybe they still made money on it) I do think it is an interesting question that jarrod asks why they havnt made more PSP games though, but i have no idea if one of the reasons is because they arent too happy about on how Itadaki Street for the PSP sold or if they are too occupied with making games for the DS and the Wii instead and/or that they are happy with how their DS games are selling (have they released any Wii games yet?)
Nice sales for the Gyakuten Saiban games i must say!cvxfreak said:
bttb said:
That's not possible. The Platinum Collection release of Viva Pinata was released in 2008, so it wouldn't have a 2007 total. It also can't be the regular release combined with the Platinum release, since the regular release didn't make the 2007 Top 500 listing which cutoff at ~19K.
bttb said:
Likewise not possible, since the Platinum Collection release was in 2008, and the regular total was 31,255 and no longer selling at the end of 2007.
Edit:
OK, I think I figured it out. A combo disk of Forza 2 with Viva Pinata was sold starting November 1, 2007. Apparently Famitsu didn't report those numbers in the 2007 Top 500. However since both Forza 2 and Viva Pinata's 2007 total is 55,857, this has to be the combo pack numbers combined with the actual Platinum release numbers for 2008 for each of these games. This would be similar to Famitsu applying the combo disk of Ace Combat 6 and Beautiful Katamari as sales toward both individual game's totals.
I guess the AC6/BK separation wasn't a mistake on Famitsu's part, but rather evidence of a policy change in how they track the sales of combo disks.
Thanks, bttb!
jarrod said:
That's not the point.
Skies of Arcadia DC sells 70k+
Skies of Arcadia GC sells 7k+
And you say: "Of course SoA Gc was going to sell like it did, it was a shoddy port!"
But now Itadaki PSP is some kind of disappointment because it sold one third of the original game without having the novelty of being the first ever game with FF & DQ characters and without being released in Christmas.
Skies GC 7k was 1st week btw, we never got lifetime sales. If it crawled to 20k eventually, it'd have matched FINAL FANTASY and DRAGON QUEST PSP's ratio. Then there's also western sales (it beat Skies DC in the US iirc).Spiegel said:
Also, I doubt Horii gives a shit what Skies sold, it's not his game.
jarrod said:
Not really, Itadaki PSP has crawled to 150k so, even if SoA crawled to 20k (I doubt that) the ratio would be highly different.
Final Fantasy ports aren't something special, they never sell as good as the original game
And you were talking about japanese sales. But it's ok, you can change the subject to try to prove your point.
jarrod said:Also, I doubt Horii gives a shit what Skies sold, it's not his game.
But you do!
One is a disappointment, the other is not.
eXistor said:
This makes me so sad
. If Nintendo's "hardcore" games, as they put it, don't sell, I worry they won't even bother if the money is in their Brain Age and Training games. This is a huge fear of mine. SMG is one of Nintendo's finest works....why hasn't it sold? No, Itadaki's separately tracked budget rerelease pushed it to 150k. It only sold 110k versus Itadaki PS2's 380k (also not counting it's own budget rerelease).Spiegel said:
Had Skies gotten a budget rerelease, I bet it'd have moved the 6k or so to keep pace. :lol
Well, I'm clearly learning from the master here. :lolSpiegel said:
I don't care either way. You'll also notice where I mentioned Itadaki's PSP sales were okay for what it was?Spiegel said:
You seem to have an issue reconciling that... while figures may be okay all things considered, they probably weren't what Horii was looking for...