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Fighting Games Weekly | May 27 - June 2nd | Check Your E-Privilege
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Isaac for Smash!
If they both block used games, I see a fighting game crash incoming, or fighters moving to PC.
Keep your PS3's around.
Coming from Marvel, Skullgirls makes a lot of sense. I think I'll buy it sometime this week.
Absolutely, my PS3 isn't going anywhere.
KingItachi
Member
Those who want to voluntary get screwed they can do so by all means, no game will make make me put up with the proposed DRM.
I don't think its just fighting games that will crash. Action games while still surviving this gen will pretty much crash next gen when there are so many DRMs making it harder on you to play offline single player. Imagine doing a Master Ninja run and then have your Xbox stop you from playing because you forgot to connect to the internet.
Although I think action games will have a lot of superfluous online multiplayer components to them like GoW tried.
Although I think action games will have a lot of superfluous online multiplayer components to them like GoW tried.
Karsticles
Member
Thank you!
Naw, it was all just chickenhawking.
I just bought mine this morning. $90 in PSN credit left. >.>
That's a lot of PSN credit!
I'll probably have to wait until payday...
We should play some time this week, marvel too if possible.
Karsticles
Member
When Vanilla Marvel came out, I asked for $100 in PSN credit for Christmas because Capcom said that the game was built for DLC support. I wanted to be prepared.
Come on, I'm really not a fan of what Microsoft announced, and I do really hope Sony will hear the backlash and abandon whatever DRM scheme they had in mind (or at least soften it), but there's no need to exagerate things that much.
Action games as a genre will crash because you "forgot to connect to the internet"? Come on, the situation you're describing is pretty much the same as having a power failure in the middle of a run: excruciating, but not that common.
Now once again, don't misunderstand me: I'm not defending them, there. I'm just saying that we shouldn't be all doom&gloom neither.
Huw_Dawson
Member
Grab the DLC colours when they come out too. I was surprised to find that they also appear to unlock all the default colours for everyone too.
You're right, but this is the FG thread, and FG's are what I have a console for.
Also, We're definitely post-peak righ now in terms of fighters already, so unless something big comes along, we're going to see numbers drop slowly (still better than the Dark Ages) , and nothing big is coming for a good while.
Karsticles
Member
I probably won't get the DLC colors just because I'm a "default color" kind of guy for 99% of the characters I use in fighting games. This may sound odd, but I don't feel like it's "the character" if I change their color.Grab the DLC colours when they come out too. I was surprised to find that they also appear to unlock all the default colours for everyone too.
Truth, but did you read my post? It turns out that my stick wasn't behaving properly (my fault), so I was right to not go on stage. I would have embarrassed myself even though I won that next set.
Exposed.
The thing with action games is that they are already suffering as it is and we are terribly close to an action game "dark age". They are not performing well even when a quality product is presented. GoW is on a decline, DMC got rebooted into a shittier version, Darksiders is now with another company with no real future, NG is spiraling into a black hole of shittiness and Bayonetta 2 is coming out on a struggling console. Even MGR, a quality action game by the best action game studio carried on a huge IP couldn't do better than DMC4.
These DRM issues are going to exacerbate things further. More competition from games with fully featured online components and multiplayer means the perceived value of these games will go down. Not to mention that gamers in general are shying away from linear single player experiences as they don't feel its worth the $60 for games they can beat in a day and never touch again.
Action games in general need something new. They need to break out of their shit linear PS2 era level design for one.
No, I missed that. That really sucks. I didn't blame you at all for declining the chance to play on stream though, stick problems or not. A few local players had tech issues, actually. James Jr.'s pad broke and he failed to make it out of pools in KoF because of it. Sadness.
Unknown v Karsticles MM! Set it up!
Karsticles
Member
Mine was really, really stupid. I crammed 2 fightsticks, 2 changes of clothes, a book, and my phone charger into my backpack. I didn't get to unload until after pools were done, so I had to struggle to get the stick out to play. While pulling it out, the knob that switches the stick input from DP to LS to RS got switched to RS, so it didn't do anything at all. At the time, I thought it was normally on LS, so I put it back there. It turns out that this makes a ton of inputs just not register in Marvel 3 (I tested it in Skullgirls and it seemed okay). Especially qcf motions. So in my matches I was doing stupid stuff like superjumping with Firebrand into j.M over and over instead of throwing Fireballs. It was just a mess. I don't know how I won 4 matches like that, since it meant dropping ~70% of my combos in practice.
Totally my fault, and I learned something knew.
Also, thank you for trying to get me on stream. I don't think I expressed my appreciation for you doing that at the event.
I'm not into MM stuff. I play the game to enjoy myself. I stopped playing chess competitively because it became all about the money. If I want to suffer the agony of doing activities for the purpose of making money, I'll just work more. There's no reason to taint the things I enjoy with that stuff.Unknown v Karsticles MM! Set it up!
Remember that F2P fighting game talk we always have? Here it is
Karsticles
Member
It has BEGUN!
Wait a minute... isn't this KoF vs that KoF clone game? I guess this makes sense. Really curious to see how they model this.
Will follow.
I wonder how many different markets they'll bring this to and their business model.
Depends on the model, where they release it, how they market it and on what platforms.
If its like DOTA 2 that's great.... if its like LoL then that would be shitty..
Is DOTA 2 F2P?
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
Why not? I much rather pay $10 for a few characters that I know I'll use versus $60 for an entire roster.
Karsticles
Member
It screws tournaments over hard.
And even if you only want to play as a few characters, realistically you want to pick other characters in training mode to test stuff out.
scytheavatar
Member
That's why. How are they going to get you to pay $3000 for a game after you paid your 10 bucks?
F2P, all heroes unlocked at start, all modes unlocked, you can watch live games through the game itself and you get randomly generated items for your heroes.
You can buy cosmetic items (like hero costumes, courier costumes, different HUDs, different announcers) and other stuff like tickets to various events. They are doing a Compendium thing which is like a crowdfund event for the TI3 prize pool. It gives rewards to Compendium players based on goals achieved like which hero the community wants next, a legendary item, special courier etc.
Its the best F2P model out there IMO. Perfect for fighting games. In LoL's model you pay for or grind currency (takes a long ass time) to purchase heroes and runes (passives for your Summoner, required for high level play). That would be the absolute worst system for fighting games.
SloaneRisette
Member
Yeah, if a F2P fighting game like that came around, I'd probably play it (of course, as long as it was solid gameplay wise). Heck, I would probably even consider buying some cosmetic items.
What if I want to try out other characters to see if I like them?
They rotate free characters just like they do in LoL.
Since it seems to be an international version of Xuan Dou Zhi Wang, I suppose they'll use the same model.
I agree DOTA2 does it better. :/
I don't think a F2P fighting game with pay or grind to unlock characters is a good idea at all. However, aside from characters, a few stages, a simple single player mode and a training mode everything else in a fighting game can be made purchasable. Stuff like special win quotes/animations, taunts, HUD, extra stages, costumes, titles.
Anything that gets in the territory of "pay to win" is an awful idea. I should be able to compete in tournaments without any money spent on the game. Grind to unlock is grey territory, I mean its not like we didn't have unlockable characters in the past but its just not a good idea for tournaments.
Anything that gets in the territory of "pay to win" is an awful idea. I should be able to compete in tournaments without any money spent on the game. Grind to unlock is grey territory, I mean its not like we didn't have unlockable characters in the past but its just not a good idea for tournaments.
Yeah, that looks good indeed. And I wouldn't mind if, from time to time (6 months maybe) it had a DLC pack, with some new characters for $10 bucks or something like that, but yeah, the "first" characters should all be unlocked at start
This free character rotation would not be THAT bad actually
Something they could do, if they really want to sell characters, would be to make them free and all unlocked in training mode, but you can't play with them against other people if you don't buy them.
But who am I kidding, they're just gonna slap the LoL model onto it and call it a day, without thinking about the specificities of fighting games...
But who am I kidding, they're just gonna slap the LoL model onto it and call it a day, without thinking about the specificities of fighting games...
In DOTA 2 a new character is unlocked from the get go for everyone. In HoN, when a new character comes its only purchasable for a while after which it becomes free to play for everyone. I think that's reasonable and even more so fighting games since you won't get new characters as often compared to these MOBA games.
I was surprised at how hype I was during that match. Those speed ups were funny as hell !
I agree, but I can't see relying on that kind of stuff as the main income source to be a good move either.
Granted I don't play most F2P stuff, cause they're most in genres/platforms that I don't really care for, so maybe I just can't understand how the model would work, but that's how I see it.
Immortal Technique
Member
What was the deal with Flash getting forfeited?
Games like DOTA 2 and LoL make an OBSCENE amount of money. Like everyday they are making a good amount of money from simple cosmetics.
Thing with F2P model is that its an expensive lottery ticket for publishers. You either win big or lose hard. I would say in genres other than MOBAs it is viable if released with quality and on a platform lacking in it. Releasing a MOBA means you will not see a big piece of the pie... LoL and DOTA 2 have a huge stranglehold on the competition with HoN at a distant 3rd.
Thing with F2P model is that its an expensive lottery ticket for publishers. You either win big or lose hard. I would say in genres other than MOBAs it is viable if released with quality and on a platform lacking in it. Releasing a MOBA means you will not see a big piece of the pie... LoL and DOTA 2 have a huge stranglehold on the competition with HoN at a distant 3rd.
irfaanator
Banned
Bananaken is from Michigan.
darkblade77
Member
Just noticed that someone put up the BBCP Sector 7 theme up from arcade a week ago. Wish it'd been recorded on a stage without background noise, but still, damn amazing theme. Probably my favorite of the new themes in Blazblue so far.
EDIT: This guy seems to have most of the hard-to catch themes period, including Hakumen vs Izayoi.
EDIT: This guy seems to have most of the hard-to catch themes period, including Hakumen vs Izayoi.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Just copy everything DOTA 2 does.
Please just don't copy the "beta forever and hunt down your keys" thing, though...
Terareflection
Member
Guys why is KOF so hard?
I don't think it is that hard, doing things require a certain rhythm that you have to get down. Anyways, what are you having trouble with?