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Fire Emblem Echoes Shadows of Valentia announced for 3DS, Reimagining of FE Gaiden
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SmackAttack
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I'm really liking this art style. Looking real nice.
It's wonderful, but it shows its age front and center. The SRPG genre really wasn't an established thing when Gaiden came out. Because of inexperience, its design is flawed in many ways and its strategy elements are less tight than they should be.
Despite that, it is undoubtedly my favourite FE game. With all its flaws, Gaiden still does so much very, very right. Fire Emblem would not be the series it is today without Gaiden.
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runnin_blue
Banned
Oh my...
Sold.
It's Fire Emblem Gaiden reimagined, so it has explorable towns and dungeons. Combat is still traditional turn-based.
wild wild rice
Member
I don't see characters paired up. Does this mean no waifus/husubandos?
Orniletter
Banned
What PS3 game has Sony released exclusively for the PS3 after the PS4 launch? (And if they did, how well did that go for that game's sales?)
The issue isn't cross-gen support, which does happen all the time at every console launch (though cross-gen lasts longer now than it used to, for sure).
As has been said repeatedly, the Switch desperately needs to buff its paper-thin library, so there's no reason for this game to be exclusively last-gen.
GT6 came out a month after the PS4. FE E will come out 2 months after Switch.
Well, it sort of bombed at first, but went on to sell respectable numbers over time....so *shrug*
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Considering we are getting a Fire Emblem for Switch next year, I don't think it matters that this is on the 3DS.
Yeah, exact same vibe. Looks great as well.
Stilton Disco
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I was travelling while the direct was on, so trying to catch up on everything at once and failing!
This looks ace, but did they say anything about being able to play without permadeath? I know, I know, it's the'real way to play', but fuck that shit, it always ends up ruining my enjoyment and winds up making me have to replay levels over and over and over to prevent deaths, and made me give up on ever Fire Emblem I played before Awakening well before the end.
I've got far too much of a backlog and there's way too many good games on the market to waste time frustrating myself on a game I'll want to love but just can't enjoy.
This looks ace, but did they say anything about being able to play without permadeath? I know, I know, it's the'real way to play', but fuck that shit, it always ends up ruining my enjoyment and winds up making me have to replay levels over and over and over to prevent deaths, and made me give up on ever Fire Emblem I played before Awakening well before the end.
I've got far too much of a backlog and there's way too many good games on the market to waste time frustrating myself on a game I'll want to love but just can't enjoy.
Neoleo2143
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Probably not, it seems this is going to a pretty faithful remake (minus shit map design).
Spirit Icana
Member
So...
Will this remake have support conversations/relationships/marriages?
And will it get an English Dub?
Will this remake have support conversations/relationships/marriages?
And will it get an English Dub?
Allan Holdsworth
Member
Yay, the anime art-style from the last two games is gone. The 3D battles still look pretty damn ugly, but I can cope.
Since it's been a standard feature since Awakening, I can't imagine why they would get rid of it now.
Mister Wolf
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We want both and theres no good reason why we shouldn't get both on the Switch.
Dang, this new art style looks really good compared to the 3DS Fire Emblem games. I've heard good things about Gaiden, so I hope IS doesn't mess up.
List of things that I want:
Don't fuck up Gaiden's story
No children
No avatar, or an avatar with a very limited role
Good map design
If the Pair-up/Follow-up system makes a return, nerf defense stance so we actually have a reason to use attack stance
Fates did a good job in the gameplay department (which was let dow by bad map design in some routes). I'd really like to see a return to the old style of Fire Emblem pre-pair-up, but I won't complain if Fates' system is refined and we get good maps.
Fire Emblem has always been anime. And this is coming from someone who dislikes the character art in Awakening and Fates.
List of things that I want:
Don't fuck up Gaiden's story
No children
No avatar, or an avatar with a very limited role
Good map design
If the Pair-up/Follow-up system makes a return, nerf defense stance so we actually have a reason to use attack stance
Fates did a good job in the gameplay department (which was let dow by bad map design in some routes). I'd really like to see a return to the old style of Fire Emblem pre-pair-up, but I won't complain if Fates' system is refined and we get good maps.
Fire Emblem has always been anime. And this is coming from someone who dislikes the character art in Awakening and Fates.
TheDinoman
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I'm wondering if this is sort of a Donkey Kong Country 3 type of deal.
DKC3 came out for Super Nintendo in the holidays of 1996, which was well after the N64 launched. Obviously, most of Rare's A team that worked on the first two DKC games like Gregg Mayles, Steve Mayles and Chris Sutherland were developing for the N64 at that point, so DKC3 fell to a newer B team. Perhaps FE Switch is being made by the team that worked on Awakening and Fates, while this is being made by some newbies?
DKC3 came out for Super Nintendo in the holidays of 1996, which was well after the N64 launched. Obviously, most of Rare's A team that worked on the first two DKC games like Gregg Mayles, Steve Mayles and Chris Sutherland were developing for the N64 at that point, so DKC3 fell to a newer B team. Perhaps FE Switch is being made by the team that worked on Awakening and Fates, while this is being made by some newbies?
Stupid then. Stupid now. =P
NeonZ
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In the games before Awakening, you build support either by making characters fight or heal beside each other or just deploying in the same mission. The support stuff was one of the last detailed systems in Fates' marketing, so I wouldn't worry about them dropping that now even if there's no battle pair up. Making a barebones remake from a story point of view was one of the main complaints regarding Shadow Dragon (FE1 remake) and they even added traditional support conversations back afterwards in New Mystery (FE3 remake).
The_Endgamer
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3DS is already looking like hot property (still) in 2017.
Booyeah.
Maybe an upgrade to a New 3DS XL is in order...
Booyeah.
Maybe an upgrade to a New 3DS XL is in order...
There was no support system of any kind in Gaiden, but I'd be surprised if they didn't add something like one to Echoes. They did make Shadow Dragon and New Mystery without one, but that was before Awakening. In the land of 3DS Emblem, I can't see it coming out without some inter-unit affection going on.
Plus, supports would be a convenient way to add more dialogue and characterization to the cast (most of whom need it, badly) without stepping on the existing plot framework and progression.
Not likely any baby-making going on, though.
Porting engines to different hardware is hard, doing so would have increased the budget by quite a lot for very little return. Nobody is going to buy the Switch for a remake of a niche Fire Emblem spin off.
Isn't Fire Emblem Gaiden the one that Incest plot line?
Also I hope that they still keep the causal mode in as that is how I play Fire Emblem games.
unless I'm misremembering something about gaiden, you're thinking of fe4, genealogy of the holy war.
which is also the one many fans want to get remade, me included, haha
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You can incest in awakening. Plus 4000 year old Dragon sexIsn't Fire Emblem Gaiden the one that Incest plot line?
Also I hope that they still keep the causal mode in as that is how I play Fire Emblem games.
There are many 3DS game coming out after the Switch releases. Ever Oasis, Pikmin, Mario Sports Superstars, Tank Troopers and this.
NeonZ
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Isn't Fire Emblem Gaiden the one that Incest plot line?
No, that's FE4.
Sold.
Awesome!
Lol at this coming out for 3DS tho and Switch getting Dynasty Warriors with Fire Emblem skin on it.
Isn't Fire Emblem Gaiden the one that Incest plot line?
Also I hope that they still keep the causal mode in as that is how I play Fire Emblem games.
Don't worry, casual mode isn't going anywhere. I'm not sure if we'll see a return of Phoenix mode, but I honestly don't care as long as the game is balanced around classic mode.
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By all means it bombed hard as a rock, they were giving the game for free many months later everywhere you looked.
Yeah, it's really odd to release for 3DS only at this point. Almost like Nintendo doesn't have faith in their own console...
Yagami_Sama
Member
They should have considered this game for Switch too.
They should port a few to switch imo i rather play in hd resolution the 3ds resolution is severly outdated.
wild wild rice
Member
Yep. I hope FE Switch does the same.
It's not. Of course Nintendo won't drop it like a rock and I imagine there will be longer a transition period than between Wiii & Wii U or GC & Wii, considering it's still selling and has an established userbase, but I imagine 2018 will be noticeably more devoid of Nintendo releases (especially bigger budget stuff) and by 2019 there will be very little else except maybe some more niche releases from smaller Japanese publishers/developers who are slow to move to new hardware.
That's assuming Switch gains traction and doesn't become a total failure in Japan. If it does fail/is slow to build its install base, I could see that prolonging developer support for 3DS (not from Nintendo's side, though), but not by a huge amount.
Stilton Disco
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Get a standard n3DS, the screen size to pixel density is the best out of the systems' variants, it's more comfortable to hold, more portable, and the SNES coloured buttons and faceplates put it on a par with the Vita for sexiest handheld design ever.
I'm no Nintendo manager but I would imagine they did consider it.
Hours Left
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I wonder if Fire Emblem Echoes is gonna be a new sub-branding for remakes.
Whiteblade999
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I'm in so quick for this.