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[shpankey]

i get what you're saying, but to be honest, what are we supposed to do in a screenshot thread? what else is there? or do we need to qualify every single post with "subject to change due to the inevitable increase in graphical quality"? this should go without saying, i think.

if like with GRAW, the game jumps up in quality, there will be a ton of us in that [future] thread talking about how it's come a long way and looks so much better and "wow" and "fukin awesome".

"judgement subject to change" <-- just drop this behind every critique in this thread.

i have not seen a single solitary person in here claim this is their final judgement. but just gave their opinion on the screens they were shown. if you take this away from us, might as well not even have screenshot threads ever again.

 

[Big Takeover]

Then you guys will be happy to know that when you're actually racing in-game, the blur is nothing like these screenshots.

The blur looks just about right to me. It should fill the gaps between frames quite nicely. 60fps w/motion blur is going to be buttery smooth. I have a strong suspicion people will change their minds when they see the results ....well maybe not gek.

 

[hadareud]

there's no point complaining, it's always the same. It doesn't matter if it's Nintendo, Sony or MS games - once screenshots are released that are disappointing it's an early build (or something else).

I still think the game will improve quite a bit though (visually).

 

[Bebpo]

If the motion blur looks nothing like that in-game then why show it in screenshots of supposedly in-game views?

Why not show gamers what the game will actually look like?

Just seems silly.

 

[puebla]

i get what you're saying, but to be honest, what are we supposed to do in a screenshot thread? what else is there? or do we need to qualify every single post with "subject to change due to the inevitable increase in graphical quality"? this should go without saying, i think.

if like with GRAW, the game jumps up in quality, there will be a ton of us in that [future] thread talking about how it's come a long way and looks so much better and "wow" and "fukin awesome".

judgement subject to change. i have not seen a single solitary person in here claim this is their final judgement. but just gave their opinion on the screens the were shown. if you take this away from us, might as well not even have screenshot threads ever again.

i think you guys have a hard time reading. i don't have a problem with you or anybody else judging the screens. i said I, Me, I will wait until the other effects go in. i think for now the screens look dissappointing as i have already stated. if the final game ends up looking like these screens with just a minimal bump in quality i will call the game out on it. it could look like shit for all i know.

 

[shpankey]

If the motion blur looks nothing like that in-game then why show it in screenshots of supposedly in-game views?

Why not show gamers what the game will actually look like?

Just seems silly.

ya, what he said... so drop us some videos che

 

[FightyF]

You're a funny guy.

Heh, glad someone got it.

How can you tell this without seeing the motion blur in... err, motion? :lol

There are different ways of achieving motion blur, I don't know the details of their implementation but I do know you can tell the difference while taking a look at a screen grab.

I'd say its a testament to the quality of PD's artists more than anything (not trying to stir shit, just saying). Diminishing returns is overrated as much as the artistry is underrated.

IMO, it's not really an issue of artistry but rather the process used. I can take a picture of a tree, pop it in a game and slap it on 2 polygons. It would look more realistic than a hand modelled and hand textured tree with 30 thousand polys and self shadowing...when looking at a screenshot. There's a balance between effort (in artistry and technology) and the end result. For realistic games, I think PD has a good process, but I'd like to see how they'd fare with a game engine that has real time lighting and shadowing, different times of day and such.

 

[hukasmokincaterpillar]

People who are calling out people about how its wrong to judge these screenshots are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo full of shit.

I dont know if thats directed at me (I did go on a bit of a anti screencap rant there), but I dont think its wrong to judge these or any screens of a game at all. I just think the amount of stock (and reaction) put into screenshots on this forum is increasingly disproportionate to what you get with the actual end product (preferably the game being played on your tv screen), and that goes for both the good and bad impressions. Static media has its limits.

 

[shpankey]

i think you guys have a hard time reading. i don't have a problem with you or anybody else judging the screens. i said I, Me, I will wait until the other effects go in. i think for now the screens look dissappointing as i have already stated. if the final game ends up looking like these screens with just a minimal bump in quality i will call the game out on it. it could look like shit for all i know.

i'm sorry, i didn't mean you personally... i just used your post to speak about it. i wasn't talking about you individually. though i see now it looks that way.

 

[puebla]

i'm sorry, i didn't mean you personally... i just used your post to speak about it. i wasn't talking about you individually. though i see now it looks that way.

it's all good my man.

 

[mckmas8808]

How is this guy not banned yet?

Anyhow, this is the first look at the game. More screenshots will come with more car variety, more tracks... and more importantly, hands-on impressions, etc. I dunno, there's plenty of potential for this game not to suck, especially based on 5 screenshots.

Now you get to see how damn near every PS3 developers goes through everyday. Sucks doesn't it? Well at least you know things will get better from here.

 

[hukasmokincaterpillar]

For realistic games, I think PD has a good process, but I'd like to see how they'd fare with a game engine that has real time lighting and shadowing, different times of day and such.

I think PolyD with a modern day GPU and a healthy batch of ram is going to be completely unfair to every other developer in the genre.

 

[SolidSnakex]

For realistic games, I think PD has a good process, but I'd like to see how they'd fare with a game engine that has real time lighting and shadowing, different times of day and such.

If that Vision GT trailer was any sign, you don't have much to worry about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqSSaHZa84

 

[Zonar]

Che why is the game delayed?

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/17424/ShowThread.aspx#17424

Did anybody notice it has been delayed?

 

[FightyF]

If that Vision GT trailer was any sign, you don't have much to worry about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqSSaHZa84

Well, I have no idea if that's just CG using "in game assets".

Hey Che my bro said he saw a documentary on TV about realism in videogames or something like that, and some racers were playing Forza and were calling it the best racing sim? My bro also said that one thing they would like to see was a working pit stop. They said GT4's was half assed and would like to see a fully functioning one. Maybe you've seen it already and my second hand info isn't correct.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Well, I have no idea if that's just CG using "in game assets".

Car models are GT5's (the Evo and Mazda) and the courses are just GT4's. Every other sequence is GT4's cars on GT4's courses with new lighting (HDR) and other little touches.

 

[duk]

im so very disappointed by the shots, FM1 was great so i have very high hopes for FM2

 

[jett]

Forza Motorsport 2 Screenshots... yes, they're REAL

...too bad they aren't spectacular.

 

[Skilotonn]

http://img.interia.pl/gry/nimg/gry417185.jpg
http://img.interia.pl/gry/nimg/gry417145.jpg

And see how the headlights look flat at an angle in these pics now? Don't you see that also?

 

[LuCkymoON]

Last time I checked taking a picture of a moving objected while moving at the same speed will render non-moving objects in the background and foreground blurry.

The amount of blur present in Forza 2 seems appropriate for replay cameras.

 

[sprsk]

Last time I checked taking a picture of a moving objected while moving at the same speed will render non-moving objects in the background and foreground blurry.

The amount of blur present in Forza 2 seems appropriate for replay cameras.

Pictures arent video games, different rules apply people.

 

[DenogginizerOS]

If the final game looks as good as this video, i don't care what these screenshots look like. This statement also applies to Motorstorm, Warhawk, Rainbow Six: Vegas, etc. etc.

http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox-360-hires/3553/Forza-Motorsport-2-Physics-and-Damage-Video-HD/

 

[AlanHemberger]

Pictures arent video games, different rules apply people.

So why does everyone expect photorealism?? lolz

 

[FightyF]

So why does everyone expect photorealism?? lolz

Heh, take the word photo out when you are talking about motion blur.

 

[sprsk]

So why does everyone expect photorealism?? lolz

Because they are stupid.

 

[Faizal]

I'm still expecting GT5 to somewhat approach photorealisim though.

 

[duk]

i'd be happy with pgr3 level graphics but with FM physics at 720p, 60fps, 4xaa, hdr

 

[Rody]

This effect is called panning.

Spoiler

Cool, huh?

 

[reaver18]

what are people complaining about? it looks good to me.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

Pictures arent video games, different rules apply people.

Weren't the pics taken with the games photo mode though? I'd agree that if the actual game had that blur it would be a problem but blur in photomode shouldn't worry anyone.

 

[3rdman]

I haven't been following this gargantuan bitch-thread. Screenshots look "meh" to me so I'll wait to lay judgment. This is the kind of game where physics will mean more than graphics anyways. Here's hoping for a good showing at X06 as Forza 1 was a real surprise to me.

 

[AlanHemberger]

Because they are stupid.

that's what I said!

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Spoiler

if these are the pics tomororrow I will happily eat crow.

Are you ready to eat crown now

 

[Vrolokus]

"This is a thread getting progressively worse. Can we not agree on that?"

 

[sonycowboy]

Especially since 80% of these people have been judging PS3 games even before the final dev kits were out -let alone release of the games. Hypocrisy at its best.

This board is so ****ed up. I cannot believe the Xbox folks who are claiming the PS3 games look like crap from screenshots are in here defending it and the Sony folks who say that screenshots don't tell the whole tale are blasting these shots.

You guys don't even need to look at the name of the games do you? It's just a matter of knowing which system it's on.

 

[pilonv1]

This board is so ****ed up. I cannot believe the Xbox folks who are claiming the PS3 games look like crap from screenshots are in here defending it and the Sony folks who say that screenshots don't tell the whole tale are blasting these shots.

You guys don't even need to look at the name of the games do you? It's just a matter of knowing which system it's on.

Are you only just realising this?

 

[hyp]

This board is so ****ed up. I cannot believe the Xbox folks who are claiming the PS3 games look like crap from screenshots are in here defending it and the Sony folks who say that screenshots don't tell the whole tale are blasting these shots.

You guys don't even need to look at the name of the games do you? It's just a matter of knowing which system it's on.

yea, it's pretty sad. i find myself reading the original post and leaving a thread most of the time. especially when i know it's possible flame bait. gets tiresome after a while. but i think i've got a good grasp of whose posts to filter out.

screenshots look okay, not spectacular. i'm just waiting to see it in motion. i have no doubt it's going to look great even if the graphics arent good enough to overheat my 360.

 

[Vrolokus]

This board is so ****ed up. I cannot believe the Xbox folks who are claiming the PS3 games look like crap from screenshots are in here defending it and the Sony folks who say that screenshots don't tell the whole tale are blasting these shots.

You guys don't even need to look at the name of the games do you? It's just a matter of knowing which system it's on.

Why does it seem worse lately (i.e., the past few months)? Is it just my imagination? When I first signed up here - not that long ago, by the way - it seemed different. There were threads about favorite video game bosses, threads about the best old Genesis games, LTTP threads - in short, threads about the joy of gaming. Now it's the Xbots and the SDF waging war day after day over a different hill (or screenshot, or PR release, or video).

 

[AlanHemberger]

yea, it's pretty sad. i find myself reading the original post and leaving a thread most of the time.

Same here

 

[Teknopathetic]

This happens at the beginning of every generation. GAF is cyclical like that.

 

[GhaleonEB]

This happens at the beginning of every generation. GAF is cyclical like that.

This is definately the worst it's been, IMO. (Been with GAF since 2000.)

 

[Gek54]

I really dont understand the blur hate. Even when youre watching an onboard tv camera the damn blur is there! Don't come here and say it isn't "reallistic", cause it IS.

Uh, becuase you dont race through a camera now do you? Camera effects,like blur, no not belong in a sim.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"This is definately the worst it's been, IMO. (Been with GAF since 2000.)"

Meh, not really. Although, this time there's less interesting characters/trolls. These kids these days are friggin pathetic.

 

[pilonv1]

That's what makes it worse, at least the old trolls were amusing and you could tell where they were going.

 

[LuCkymoON]

Uh, becuase you dont race through a camera now do you? Camera effects,like blur, no not belong in a sim.

the only shots we have really seen so far are replay shots. A photomode which simulates viewing the race through a tv camera.

 

[hukasmokincaterpillar]

You guys don't even need to look at the name of the games do you? It's just a matter of knowing which system it's on.

F*ck that, its gotten to the point where you dont even need to see the content of half the posts anymore. Just look at the handle and the console they're posting about and you've got the gist. I mostly read PS3 related threads these days as thats the console Im most interested in at the moment, but this crap obviously goes both ways. Seeing the usual suspects pop up with their bullshit again and again since E3, and now my ignore list is a mile long. It doesn't matter what the actual content is. No, its simply the opposing brand the bots feel the need to posture about for whatever lame ass reason. Usually when it comes to shit I have no interest in I'm ya know... indifferent to it? These f*cking choads have no quit.

 

[FightyF]

Uh, becuase you dont race through a camera now do you? Camera effects,like blur, no not belong in a sim.

Blur belongs in sim games, if they mean to simulate a real life experience.

Camera blur is just exaggerated and should only be kept for replays, but it's so apparent in real life and when racing in real life.

 

[GhaleonEB]

"This is definately the worst it's been, IMO. (Been with GAF since 2000.)"

Meh, not really. Although, this time there's less interesting characters/trolls. These kids these days are friggin pathetic.

That's kind of what I meant. Now it seems that ever screen is greeted with the kind of stuff going on here (with a mix of "exclusive?" tossed in).

 

[FightyF]

BTW, anyone else see that show where they were showcasing realistic videogames?

 

[Gek54]

Blur belongs in sim games, if they mean to simulate a real life experience.

Camera blur is just exaggerated and should only be kept for replays, but it's so apparent in real life and when racing in real life.

Right well if Forza2 wants to simulate a concusion or driving drunk then I guess blur would be realistic.