Castor Krieg
Banned
She'll probably join Square Enix as full-time PR.
S-E must have pretty low standards then.
She'll probably join Square Enix as full-time PR.
S-E must have pretty low standards then.
Has Keighly said anything about this yet? If he hasn't his silence speaks volumes to how worthless he really is.
In the bigger picture Keighly getting a marketing deal with Doritos is probably the least fucked up thing in all of this.
Sure its kind of sleezy looking but its no worse then any other TV personality getting a ad deal with Windows phone or coke or something.
I dont know what he can add to the discussion.
I'm not referring to the picture of just Halo, Dew, and Doritos, how about the topic as a whole? If he's an influential person in the industry why isn't he being vocal on how to work towards change? He doesn't do these things because he'd rather not put himself out there, continue outputting vanilla material, and continue receiving his inflated pay checks and maintain the status quo. Seriously, he's the definition of the root of the problem here, and I wish more people would see that and address it.
No, he was always surprisingly open about his relationship with the publishers. Yes, he is a corporate tool, but he doesn't pretend otherwise. He will use his best judgement here and there to try and bring gaming news to the masses e.g. hosting VGAs.
Geoff never pretended to be some kind of a saint. I regard him as a talented PR person and that's the end of it, I would be surprised if anyone went to him for some criticism.
This logic is mind boggling to me. People complain that videogames don't see credibility in the mainstream as a main form of entertainment. The people who report on this industry are the ones who have the ability to make the industry be taken seriously. But when these journalists are corporate pawns who feed at free gifts, sexy woman, and anything else thrown at them the industry does not move forward. It stays stagnant and is continually mocked by other entertainment industries.
Geoff Keighly is far and away the most visible gaming representative in terms of journalism and knowledge. When CNN wants to run a piece about hot new games for the holiday, who can they call to give input to the millions of people who are never exposed to video games? Fucking Geoff Keighly. When the asshole who sees the most visible facetime to the masses, non-gamers, and others outside of the industry, is what you call "a talented PR" how in the world is that a good thing or progressive step for video games as a whole?
No, he was always surprisingly open about his relationship with the publishers. Yes, he is a corporate tool, but he doesn't pretend otherwise. He will use his best judgement here and there to try and bring gaming news to the masses e.g. hosting VGAs. His "Last Hours of..." show he is a very competent writer, probably one of the better ones in the industry. But instead of whining about every little shit he just does his job and gets a fat paycheck for that. Sounds good to me.
Geoff never pretended to be some kind of a saint. I regard him as a talented PR person and that's the end of it, I would be surprised if anyone went to him for some criticism.
It IS main form of entertainment as evidenced by massive revenues videogames are bringing. The market is already larger than the movie market.
Do I care for "credibility"? No I don't. It is entertainment, pure and simple. I do not care about moral stance on some issues of Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Morgan Freeman, etc. They are just acting in the movies I watch.
Since I have a pretty good ability to distinguish good games I am fine with that, I do not rely on official reviews in the slightest.
Remember gaming media, etc. is very largely still hobby-driven. You graduate as a journalist, you want to work for Financial Times, not IGN. By definition the balance of power is skewed towards the publishers, as they are simply not many talented journalists to make the media viable.
Yes, Geoff Keighley didn´t pretend to be some kind of a saint. He pretends to be a journalist while being a Halo PR spokesperson.
The problem, as I see it, is not that Keighley pretends to be a journalist. He does not call himself one and would, if anything, identify as an entertainer or host. The problem is that he lets people think he is a journalist. He will gladly hold an event where you can ask Keighley his thoughts on the video game industry as he sits next to Doritos and Mountain Dew. Why would you ask a show host about the industry? You wouldn't, you'd ask the journalist who did the final hours of Portal 2.
But in that grey capacity, he sits there surrounded with advertising material for a big holiday game.
If the defense of Keighley is that he is not explicitly doing anything wrong, I would hope people saying that seriously re-examine that argument.
The problem, as I see it, is not that Keighley pretends to be a journalist. He does not call himself one
Geoff Keighley
@geoffkeighley
Videogame journalist Geoff Keighley, host of Spike TV's GTTV
That does indeed seem to be the biggest problem.
But why do we focus on scores that much? I'm aware it's, arguably, a good indication of quality. READ the reviews, that's what influences me. The written content, not some number or grade at the end of an article.
I always saw Geoff Keighley as the Ryan Seacrest of video games, except that from time to time Geoff actually puts out decent content instead of just reporting on it. Hell, if anything my opinion of him went up, as he was smart enough to not comment on any of this at all, something a few others in the industry should have done.He's not doing anything wrong because he's a presenter and not a reviewer? Presenters still have an opinion, a voice, and a face within the industry. If Microsoft is paying him assloads of money to help promote Halo 4 and then hosts the VGA where Halo 4 wins game of the year, you don't see anything wrong with that? If he goes on CNN and recommends parents buy Halo for their kids for Christmas, still nothing wrong with that? I seriously don't know how someone can say he's not doing something explicitly wrong.
So, I have no problem with him pimping for Microsoft (or anyone else), that's the role he's managed to create for himself in the gaming industry. Come to think of it, he's the only one in this role that I can think of.
That is a fair question. For some reason I just see him as more of a spokesman, and I take anything he says with a grain of salt as I know he's a paid to say it. Hell, he's the king of Announcement of an announcement. I don't give anyone else a pass because I can't think of anyone else that does what he does. Weird thing is, the guy is a talented writer at times, which is I guess what helped him land this role.But WHY?
Wow. Just caught up. Karma is such a bitch. She costs a man his job and now all said and done she's out of her job. Can't say I feel sorry for her. What comes around goes around. The whole interview thing doesn't surprise me either. Probably realized it would make her look like what she truly is.
It stays stagnant and is continually mocked by other entertainment industries.
Every tiny detail fleshed out, every possibility allowed. So this is what a proper videogame looks like…
We’ve never heard anybody say they don’t like ice cream, kittens or that drumming sound the rain makes on a tin roof. Hitman: Absolution is all of that, in a blender – ice cream, macerated feline – sprayed at the tin roof through a giant, angry fire hose.
This logic is mind boggling to me. People complain that videogames don't see credibility in the mainstream as a main form of entertainment. The people who report on this industry are the ones who have the ability to make the industry be taken seriously. But when these journalists are corporate pawns who feed at free gifts, sexy woman, and anything else thrown at them the industry does not move forward. It stays stagnant and is continually mocked by other entertainment industries.
Geoff Keighly is far and away the most visible gaming representative in terms of journalism and knowledge. When CNN wants to run a piece about hot new games for the holiday, who can they call to give input to the millions of people who are never exposed to video games? Fucking Geoff Keighly. When the asshole who sees the most visible facetime to the masses, non-gamers, and others outside of the industry, is what you call "a talented PR" how in the world is that a good thing or progressive step for video games as a whole?
He should be leading the pack to break this reviewer/PR buddy system as he's a major gateway to getting things moving for this industry and exposure to the mainstream. But like I said, why jump in the mud and get your clothes dirty, when its these same companies that pay for the washing machine that cleans his clothes in the first place?
The problem, as I see it, is not that Keighley pretends to be a journalist. He does not call himself one and would, if anything, identify as an entertainer or host.
Video game journalist Geoff Keighley, host of Spike TV's GT.TV
The problem is that he lets people think he is a journalist. He will gladly hold an event where you can ask Keighley his thoughts on the video game industry as he sits next to Doritos and Mountain Dew. Why would you ask a show host about the industry? You wouldn't, you'd ask the journalist who did the final hours of Portal 2.
But in that grey capacity, he sits there surrounded with advertising material for a big holiday game.
If the defense of Keighley is that he is not explicitly doing anything wrong, I would hope people saying that seriously re-examine that argument.
No stopping this train.
http://www.x360magazine.com/reviews/hitman-absolution-review/
Guy gets called out on his bullshit review.
The comments lol
Then heads to twitter for a circle-jerk with his buddies.
Play it, then come back and talk to us. I mean REALLY play it. Dont bumble through the story mode on easy, do all the challenges. Set up devious contracts, do every one of the games amazing 200+ signature kills. Then come back and well have a chat about how good the game is, hmm?
No stopping this train.
http://www.x360magazine.com/reviews...ss has always had such a bad reputation......
People in the comments where being idiots as people in comments sections are prone to be but making fun of them over the official twitter is just childish and pathetic.
Show a bit of maturity and professionalism for got sake.
And people wonder why the UK games press has always had such a bad reputation......
Not only UK
Related:
Ubisoft is offering Video game journalists money for making Just Dance videos. They have to make clear that they are enjoying it while wearing a pink wig.
Isn't there a fine line between just being assholes about everything and real issues?
I mean, the dude might have liked the game. :
Play it, then come back and talk to us. I mean REALLY play it. Dont bumble through the story mode on easy, do all the challenges. Set up devious contracts, do every one of the games amazing 200+ signature kills. Then come back and well have a chat about how good the game is, hmm?
Ubisoft is offering Video game journalists money for making Just Dance videos. They have to make clear that they are enjoying it while wearing a pink wig.
Link?
His defense of the review that was posted earlier sounds like it came straight from a press release:
For those unfamiliar with the Hitman formula, its Groundhog Day with guns and fibre wire. You know Groundhog Day? That movie from the Nineties in which Bill Murray plays a weatherman who wakes up every day to the same day. Explain it to anybody and theyll tell you its a sucky premise for a movie, right up to the point they actually see it.... What if when that guy pees on the fence, theres an electrical current running through it? How do we arrange that before he gets there? And will it be the funniest thing weve seen today? And what about that woman who walks in front of that whale harpoon? What if
You could criticise the story all day long. It isnt much more evolved than Donkey Kong. Rescue the princess, essentially.
Tony Sibley ‏@ToneSibley
@X360_Magazine I've seen a few people say they've "finished it already" - they've completely missed the point!
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@ToneSibley Yep, totally, totally, totally missed the entire point. Like we said, took us 80 hours to see everything not including contracts
So thats two people out of a job over this, I can't imagine how much she wishes she'd never said anything about the article. Wheres Mr Florence is likely to get another gig writing about games Ms. Wainright is more or less entirely fucked. While she was in the wrong and reacted terribly it does seem a bit unfortunate that her entire career in the field is basically over.
80 hours... so they'd had the review copy for a week and played it ten hours a day for eight days in a row (at least)? Something doesn't add up there.Do they even realize?
For print, don't know. Online got it around the 5th here, some earlier.80 hours... so they'd had the review copy for a week and played it ten hours a day for eight days in a row (at least)? Something doesn't add up there.
I'd love to know when review copies got sent out. Because there's no way anyone's put 80 hours into a game over one or even two weeks and still had time to put together a magazine and review other games.
lolBrilliant. I'm going to try and work "Doritoed" into my everyday vernacular.
more than 10/10 what is thisyou'll find that 90% of the players would give this game more then a 10/10 !!
For print, don't know. Online got it around the 5th here, some earlier.
I was kinda the same way, surely Square doesn't trust Hitman's quality if they need to pull this of.You know, this may be largely irrelevant, but this whole thing (at least, in regards to Hitman) has taken me from "will look into this game, maybe get when a bit cheap" to "not even bothering considering". And it's not actually a "stance" I'm consciously taking with this, more that there's so much confusion with what reviews are genuine and what aren't, it's too much effort to find out if it'll even be something I'm interested in or not.
Doritoed is still funny though. You can crack a quick joke now and then without necessarily having to discuss the entire state of "games journalism" every time.To me "doritoed" just sounds like an alternative spelling of "moneyhat" which I think is missing the larger point of a large portion of this thread.
To be clear, I'm talking about the part where the issue is games journalists being too friendly with games PR and the psychological affect it has to be treated out by them all the time.
It's a review. It's not objective whichever way you slice it, unless all you're doing is listing the features, which would essentially be PR.If there's even a small handful that are able to find enough wrong with it to give it a ~70% rating then there's no way that 10/10 can be warranted because clearly, you haven't looked at it objectively enough.
Yes, could have gotten it as early as half october. But for print you also have earlier deadlines, so 80 hours might still be a bit of an exaggeration. But well, I think Hitman is a great game anyway and deserves praise. Maybe not a 9+ but worth getting anyway.They will get it first with a debug copy so they could have had enough time.
Don't agree with that - people's opinions differ, it doesn't make them wrong. The Twitter stuff is silly though.That's like telling someone to play Crackdown, but don't pass judgement until you've collected every one of the agility orbs. Every. Single. One.
The only reason any game could ever have a justified 10/10 score is if every single review site gave it 90+%. If there's even a small handful that are able to find enough wrong with it to give it a ~70% rating then there's no way that 10/10 can be warranted because clearly, you haven't looked at it objectively enough.
They say you can’t appeal to everyone. That’s what received wisdom tells us, and it’s rare indeed for anybody to pipe up and dispute it. Which is odd, since examples of such things are everywhere you look. We’ve never heard anybody say they don’t like ice cream, kittens or that drumming sound the rain makes on a tin roof. Hitman: Absolution is all of that, in a blender – ice cream, macerated feline – sprayed at the tin roof through a giant, angry fire hose. It’s also a study in pure, unadulterated excellence.
I haven't seen this posted anywhere, but it's related.
Rab Florence is currently developing a comedy show based around videogames to start sometime in December (which will be very interesting as comedy is his regular 'day job' so to speak), called This Fucking Amusement Arcade.
He's started a blog for the show, which he's using as his mouthpiece for games blogging as well. So if you liked Lost Humanity before he had to leave EG, then this effectively seems to be its replacement.
http://effingarcade.tumblr.com/
Yes! Thanks for the link. He announced on twitter a few weeks ago he had got a group together to do another games show next year. If it starts in December, even better
I look forward to a mauling of the games press in the first episode.