I believe on Youtube it either had frame doubling or some kind of interpolation. So while the video was 60fps it was displaying a game outputting 30fps at most. Gave me false hope.
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Games that take advantage of New 3DS' enhanced processing power
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I believe on Youtube it either had frame doubling or some kind of interpolation. So while the video was 60fps it was displaying a game outputting 30fps at most. Gave me false hope.
Yeah thats where I noticed it. Damn then, nvm!
Astral Dog
Member
It looks like a huge difference on these MH 4 screens, but i wonder how noticeable it really is to improve texture quality at such a low resolution, especially considering its a new 3DS XL here.
thats pretty awesome
Nonsense. The gameplay would have to be slowed down a lot if aiming was done by a second analog stick. It´s not a slow-paced FPS where you can simply implement a semi-auto-aim to compensate the deficiencies of an analog-stick. You need to be able to go from one side of the screen to the other side in no time and in the same time also beeing able to adjust the aim for small distances. This is something that is possible with the touchpen-control scheme, a PC-mouse and a Wii-Mote but isn´t really feasible with an analog stick. About laziness, it´s quite ironic that such comments are made by people who are simply too lazy to learn a new and therefore unfamilar control scheme that needs a little practice to get used to.
Exactly. Now with the c-stick western developers have no excuse not to make FPS games for 3DS. Plus, 3DS has huge install base of 35 million, so nothing can go wrong. I want some high speed shooting action on my New 3DS!
The 3DS already has active online communities in Smash, Mario Kart, Pokemon, and Monster Hunter. If there was a decent, dare-I-say fun, online FPS game released that could provide the same, the 3DS would truly be complete.
I think Timesplitters or a game akin to it would be a great fit for the system.
LordOfChaos
Member
I'd say it's highly unlikely, but I do have one doubt. They saw the initiation sequence for four cores, but I wonder if that could be
1) Simply displaying the max number of cores for ARM11 SMP, which is 4
or
2) The initiation sequence is counting the two VFPv2 Co-Processors.
Not that I think this is the case, but just throwing possibilities at the wall. If they got the clock speed right, then four cores seems very likely.
Can someone please go all "Secret Developers" on this?
There are plenty excuses to not do it. Development costs for a game style never popular on a handheld, and in turn the fear of not recouping the investment, the c-stick not being nearly reliable enough for it, the split userbase of those who have a new 3DS/CPPro and those that don't...
Soodanim
Member
I'm still not sold on the idea of New 3DS. It's obviously a better system, but the cost of upgrading is far too high for the amount I use the system. And if we get games in future that are nerfed on the OG models, I'm going to be put off and less likely to buy them.
What I'm trying to say is that as an OG XL owner, I'm glad Majora's Mask doesn't have differences between 3DS versions.
What I'm trying to say is that as an OG XL owner, I'm glad Majora's Mask doesn't have differences between 3DS versions.
TheSlySoul
Member
According to EU Gaffers, it isn't. XD
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
The chance for #2 is practically nil - they would really have to have no clue what they were looking at to get confused by something like that. Setting up N CPUs requires distinctive work for those N CPUs (interrupt vectors, MMU tables, etc). Also, VFP coprocessors would be normally set up as part of the processor they belong to, as they share a fair deal of the pipeline of the corresponding CPU (e.g. instruction fetch and decode - basically the entire frontend).I'd say it's highly unlikely, but I do have one doubt. They saw the initiation sequence for four cores, but I wonder if that could be
1) Simply displaying the max number of cores for ARM11 SMP, which is 4
or
2) The initiation sequence is counting the two VFPv2 Co-Processors.
Not that I think this is the case, but just throwing possibilities at the wall. If they got the clock speed right, then four cores seems very likely.
Can someone please go all "Secret Developers" on this?
Just got my N3DS after playing 3 days of MH4 on the Regular old 3DS.
I must evangelize how much better it is, the frame rate difference feels HUGE and the game all around feels sharper.
Hope more games take advantage of this going forward.
Though on N3DS MH4, it feels like there is only 4 directions on the c-stick, is that the case for other games?
Oooh I need to load that up, that game would be way better with a better framerate.
I must evangelize how much better it is, the frame rate difference feels HUGE and the game all around feels sharper.
Hope more games take advantage of this going forward.
Though on N3DS MH4, it feels like there is only 4 directions on the c-stick, is that the case for other games?
Oooh I need to load that up, that game would be way better with a better framerate.
Think that's just the case for MH's camera control. If I go upper right/upper left it zooms in and moves left at the same time. It seems to be taking both, just not in the way I'd like.
TheMoon
Member
You could've had a superior version of that with the stylus for 4 years now. The C-Stick isn't for shooters, it's for camera control.
Reluctant-Hero
Member
I can't fully confirm/test it, but STEAM definitely seemed faster during the enemy turns on the N3DS XL.
The gyros are actually usable on the new 3ds thanks to the stable 3d. On the original tilting would ghost the image. In Majoras Mask if you hold the left trigger the camera locks behind Link, he goes into strafe mode, and you can look around with the gyros. On the n3ds I use this all the time. I point Link in the general direction I want to look and hold L. Tilting the console then lets me look around freely. It's much easier than even a mouse, although your viewing angle is restricted by the tilt in your wrists. It's really handy and some of the best motion controls around.
Wow, this is not trivial at all. A marked improvement.
Tried it. Might be quicker but still too slow.
dampflokfreund
Banned
To be honest, its not such a big deal. In a normal holding angle I don't see many pixels and in 3D mode the image is sharp.
Though, I'm playing on a New 3DS not on a XL.
We don't know if FPS genre is popular on 3DS because nobody has ever tried! Only past instance was Call of Duty games on DS. They must have been successful, Activision has released 4 sequels after the first one. I also don't think it would split the userbase, touch screen aiming can still be the thing.
Really? As a person who never got used to Dualshock analog aiming, I felt like c-stick might be the thing for me. I'm not sure though, I need to play IronFall to find out.
35 million? More like 50 million.
TheMoon
Member
More like 1.5 million because we're talking about New 3DS here, not 3DS.
Then why do you think the C-stick will be any better? It's inherently less precise than an actual analog stick.
Starwolf_UK
Member
That sounds like the ballpark of the total number of DSi only games. Now DSi enhanced games didn't really do much except pointless feature for shitty camera, WPA wi-fi and last of all region locking (ulness you are US/EU Pokemon BW which are region free for some reason).
You are missing two things:
-MH4 doesn't support Miiverse (ask Capcom why) and even if it did it wouldn't work on the old 3DS because MH4 uses extra RAM like SSB does making Miiverse not load.
-There is no direct feed capture device for New 3DS
I guess we could pray to Nintendo add a universal screenshots to SD card feature but no they want us to all have NNID and use Miiverse. No screenshots for the world at large...unless it is of the home screen
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
The texture upgrade in MH4U is fantastic. But people often overlook something even more important.
Smooth as butter framerate in MH4U with the new 3DS. My old XL was chugging when trying to run this game.
Smooth as butter framerate in MH4U with the new 3DS. My old XL was chugging when trying to run this game.
God damn the enemy turn wait time must be slow on regular 3DSes then.
Let's face it, shooter genre isn't for Japanese 3DS owners, they'd ignore it if released there.
I thought we're talking about regular 3DS games which get graphical boost when played with New 3DS.
TheMoon
Member
I was going off "I want high speed shooting action on my new 3ds, with c-stick devs have no excuse" = new 3DS only because c-stick. if you throw in the CPP then there has been no excuse since that came out already.
sixteen-bit
Member
MH4 is a big improvement, wow.
soxinthebox
Member
Those MH4U comparisons are much more noticeable than I would have thought. Not worth the $250 upgrade but good to know that if my XL ever bites the bullet there's actually a benefit outside the buttons.
TheMoon
Member
$199 not $250.
FairXchange
Member
As a new 3ds owner I whole heartedly disagree. I hope the monster Hunter 4 is the standard going forward, and there are improvements to every game.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
Normally I don't care about minor graphical differences but the textures in MH4U have really been bugging me. They aren't just super low-res in a bunch of places, there are two really obvious lines where the LOD on the textures kick in and it's just impossible not to see.
I really don't want to buy yet another 3DS but the prospect of playing dozens of hours with these lines bugging me almost makes it worth it.
I really don't want to buy yet another 3DS but the prospect of playing dozens of hours with these lines bugging me almost makes it worth it.
evilromero
Member
Mario 64 remake would so do me in.
Activision put out those CoD games, but those also cost nothing to produce. Already with the bump in hardware, the cost is inherently going to go up, and the handheld market is nowhere near as fruitful as it used to be.
I'm not saying one couldn't be moderately successful. RE:Revelations apparently did 'okay' on 3DS. But no one is going to invest in a game like that now, so late in the system's life.
MikeE21286
Member
Glad I've only played MH4U on a n3DS
You're actually right, but you know developers. They complain about everything. I remember once a studio said that they were not porting their game to 3DS because its control input was not "enough" (I just can't remember which game it was). I'm saying that now New 3DS addresses many of those problems; more CPU, more ram, additional camera control, sufficient install base and non-shitty 3D, it should make those people stop complaining.
Maybe it is, we can't know it for sure, because nobody has ever tried. Ubisoft has cancelled their big 3DS game Assassin's Creed before even system out, so has THQ with Saints Row. There is some thirst for quality games on 3DS no doubt, relatively high sales of Bravely Default and SMT4 prove it. Even a game like Monster Hunter, clearly not for everybody and has failed to be noticed on PSP in west passed the 3 million mark worldwide. Anything can happen, people just need to be brave enough to take risks and see the results.
Starphoenix
Member
If New 3DS cannot bring Ice Climbers and Chorus Men to Sm4sh, than it is all for naught. And maybe real Pikmin for Olimar.
MikeE21286
Member
So I'm playing on my n3DS right now, and switching the 3D on and off on it seems to replicate the differences Sweden between MH4U on 3DS vs n3DS.
Are we sure that those differences are not just the result of images captured with 3d on vs. those with it off?
Are we sure that those differences are not just the result of images captured with 3d on vs. those with it off?
I don't plan on getting a New 3DS, the original works fine for me with the amount of exclusives and games that use the extra power being only two right now. But this is good to know, I do like the improvements. If there is a good amount of support I may consider, but it is $230 that I'd rather put towards Nintendo's next handheld.
Still, that MH4 upgrade.
Still, that MH4 upgrade.