velvet_nitemare
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Wii U could only do GC numbers (it won't; it'll do better)
Heh do you know something we don't.
Wii U could only do GC numbers (it won't; it'll do better)
The Gamecube was profitable for Nintendo. Wii U could only do GC numbers (it won't; it'll do better) and Nintendo wouldn't need to do anything but sell their software for the next 4 years.
However, Nintendo needs to rethink their home console strategy for the next-gen.
Maybe they will, maybe they won't. We'll see what happens. I believe the gaming market as a whole still is in a difficult spot and highly unstable.Now they just need to convince 18 million of their friends to buy one to match the gamecube lifetime sales
So many people STILL dono what the WII U is, if they made a new console and advertised it as such, they would get a ton of people buying it, no doubt.
People think the WII-U is still a last gen console, eat the losses, make a new console, release it in 3 years.
Don't give it a Dumb ass name, call it something like Nintendo Vision or something and add some unique gameplay like they usually do.
That would be the dumbest thing they can do...
Yes, let's sink billions in to a new system that has no guarantees while alienating millions of consumers.
Brilliant.
I thought they already alienated their entire fanbase with the original Wii.
Agreed. It's a broken system. The sad thing is that the ones who suffer are the people who invest in this industry the mostI'm not advocating going into debt as good business, but the gaming industry does indeed think that they're special and the rules don't apply. They think they should get money from the used market, or be allowed to block it completely. They think they should still control their product after a sale, even be allowed to lock away portions of it to sell you again, even though you already bought it. They think their own inflated budgets are the fault of their customers, and that customers should be aware of their problems, and put the company's best interests before their own.
The game industry truly does think backwards a great deal of the time.
How though? they lost a years head start of sales in like 50 hours. The general public dont give a shit about it, they aren't buying their big guns. I don't see what they have left up their sleeve for the Wii U. Marketing is nonexistent. Store presence is dwindling more and more with each passing month. its like the Saturn all over again sitting there while everyone bought the ps1 and n64.
Wii U could only do GC numbers (it won't; it'll do better)
Wow.
The media was praising Nintendo and the Wii U just a week ago. I thought the goodwill would stay until big name exclusives showed up for the PS4 and Xbone.
People are going to be eating some crow in a few months
There's absolutely zero evidence to support this so far. It isn't doing better than the Gamecube, it's doing far worse. It hasn't outsold the Gamecube's equivalent month, not at launch, not once, not even close. It's dead in Europe, on life support in Japan, and here in the U.S., its strongest territory, its sales are anemic at best.
Life-to-date in the U.S. (through October), the Wii U has sold a bit shy of 1.4 million units. The Gamecube at the same time in its life (first 12 months) had sold a little shy of 2.5 million.
Worldwide, Nintendo (according to their financial statement) has shipped 3.91 million Wii U's as of the end of September. According to the same document in 2002, through September of that year (the same exact time frame), they had shipped 6.68 million Gamecubes.
Maybe the Wii U could do Gamecube numbers if it had a Gamecube price tag, which was $149 at this point in its life. But I doubt it. Its game library, both 1st and 3rd party, is smaller (and of lower quality, in my opinion), it has fewer announced games on the way from both 1st and 3rd parties, and I just don't see any reason for its fortunes to change.
Wow, I forgot it launched at $199! Nutty.
Looking back, the price for the Gamecube was definitely too expensive. It was a game machine only that came with one controller and no memory card and no game.
You can't just eat the losses. Outside of that you run the gambit of pissing of your core fans. It may not be a lot (I think it's more than many think actually) but these are the folks who have supported the console day 1. You pull the rug on them and hope that in 3 years, they stay with you while also getting dat new new, is just crazy. And 3 years.....what will they have in 3 years?
Keep the system, make great games for it, build your niche, and then come back strong next time. Sony didn't say fuck it...we ded when the PS3 was struggling. They manned up, fixed there shit and eventually things turned around.
It's not that bad. Nintendo is faaar from bankrupt. It's far from dying. The Wii U is doing awful...no doubt. But the idea that this is it is pretty damn silly. They have another Wii U level failure before it comes to that.
Heh do you know something we don't.
I dunno, the actual market for people who play games is bigger. Bigger than it's ever been. I'm sure the WiiU will sell more than 20 million in it's life time considering it's done ~4 million in a year unless Nintendo decide to quickly wrap up the cycle.
Just making a more powerful system is not gonna fix their problems. Not at all.
If we play "fun with math" (that guaranteed doesn't mean anything, let's not get carried away), we'll take the stated GameCube number through September of 6.68 million and bump that up against GameCube's lifetime sales of 22 million, and we find GameCube was already at 30.3636% of its total sales at that point in its life.
Wii U's 3.91 million as of September is 30.3636% of 12.87 million. Now I'm not saying that's where Wii U ends up, because you know, things are different. We're just playing fun with math, after all.
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Note to self: revise prediction of 15 million for Wii U downward next chance you get.
Talking to developers and publishers about what they want from a console and implementing it will certainly help fixing the problem.
I think people should just sit back and enjoy 2014 for the Wii U, it's going to have some awesome exclusive games lining up and that will only equal more sales. If they cap the year off with a Zelda game that looks like this:
The Wii U will be better than fine through next year and build momentum for 2015 and beyond.
The article is factually incorrect.
They say.
No is doesn't. It's got a low quality, relatively low contrast low res touchscreen. 854 x 480 pixels. Which would get laughed at if it was a true tablet.
I think people should just sit back and enjoy 2014 for the Wii U, it's going to have some awesome exclusive games lining up and that will only equal more sales. If they cap the year off with a Zelda game that looks like this:
The Wii U will be better than fine through next year and build momentum for 2015 and beyond.
Talking to developers and publishers about what they want from a console and implementing it will certainly help fixing the problem.
Smash Bros is coming next year.That Zelda game isn't coming until 2015 the earliest, along with Smash Bros.
Why? Not that I care, that isn't exactly the art style/visuals I'd want for Zelda U.There is none percent chance the new Zelda will look like that.
So many people STILL dono what the WII U is, if they made a new console and advertised it as such, they would get a ton of people buying it, no doubt.
Sales are shit, only 6% of black friday according to one graph, both next gen systems doing several times that. It's over. Nintendo really needs to make the hard decisions required to turn this around.
It's difficult to predict how exactly console sell, I mean look at the 3DS's first year (4.5 million) compared to right now (almost 40!)
But the biggest turn around was the PS3 which sold 3.something million in it's first year and then finished with 80 million.
Between both those consoles I'm going to assume the redesigns were a big reason for this.
There is none percent chance the new Zelda will look like that.
That Zelda game isn't coming until 2015 the earliest, along with Smash Bros.
How can you admit defeat when you were never in the competition to begin with?
I agree with Nintendo needing to abandon the Wii U and play catch up at least to the XB1/PS4.
Nintendo made many mistakes with the wiiu, but they are probably right in not wanting to compete with Sony/MS.
Nintendo would get smashed trying to compete with the pockets of both companies, and is there even room for three identical consoles that get 90% of the same games?
there's nothing wrong with the approach of profitable hardware or attention gimmicks, they just have to price it right and support it properly as well.
Except that's not true at all. Revisionist history is a funny thing.Record breaking PS4/X1 sales are proof of Sony and MS incredible efforts in supplying consoles like never before. The Wii U also sold out it's initial alloted numbers in launch.
The test comes after the holidays.
I'm so excited. How many bits do you think this new console is going to have?
I wish Nintendo went back to core gaming one day. They were great during the Nintendo 64 years.
The PS3 should have admitted defeat in 2007.
I hate this myopic, apologist argument. This attitude is the exact reason they are in trouble.
I'm launch Wii U owner and I want Nintendo to abandon the Wii U and release a new system more powerful than PS4.
Nintendo in their Nintendo 64 years was the worst. Every single one of their other consoles were better than that abomination.I wish Nintendo went back to core gaming one day. They were great during the Nintendo 64 years.
Yeah, killing your console prematurely within 1 to 2 years worked great for Sega, NEC, Panasonic, etc, right? Who is going to buy another Nintendo console in a 1 to 2 year time frame if their relatively expensive investment called the Wii U perished early? Not too many people imo. The only way a more powerful console would even stand an iota of a chance is if it is priced $99 to $200 which I doubt will ever happen. Honestly, a more powerful Nintendo console would probably not rectify Nintendo's issues. They might as well at least try to stick with it and release more games for it and eventually drop the price to $200 to see if that helps, but honestly, I also blame the direction of the market just as much as Nintendo's decisions.
Nintendo in their Nintendo 64 years was the worst. Every single one of their other consoles were better than that abomination.
yes its always lamentable when studios play to their strengths, rather than...whatever weird thing you want this week