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[Y2Kev]

That's because you're not a ding-a-ling.

Oh, I'm a ding-a-ling.

I'm a ding-a-ling-a-ding-dong.

 

[Y2Kev]

Wow, like every level is the size of Oblivion.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Wow, like every level is the size of Oblivion.

damn

 

[mckmas8808]

I guess if Lair were a sandbox game it just wouldn't work. Having levels in these games is very important

But hey D_B Lair is 32x32 kilometers. That's 1,024 kilometers!!!!!!!!

 

[kaching]

How many kilometers huge or long is GTA:SA or Vice City?

Wikipedia says 44 square kilometers (17 square miles).

 

[brandonh83]

Wow, like every level is the size of Oblivion.

:lol

 

[Majmun]

Really amazing.

I hope the framerate stays locked though.

 

[mckmas8808]

Wikipedia says 44 square kilometers (17 square miles).

So square kilometers are different than just kilometers right? I forgot this stuff in high school.

So how many kilometers is 44 square kilometers?

 

[MassiveAttack]

F5 + Artoon (Manabu Kusunoki) = Panzer Dragoon Saga 2

C'mon Sony... just goddamn do it.

 

[Y2Kev]

So square kilometers are different than just kilometers right? I forgot this stuff in high school.

So how many kilometers is 44 square kilometers?

A kilometer is a measure of distance. That is, I live 10 kilometers from your house.

A square kilometer is a measure of area or space. That is, the area in this square is 10 kilometers squared. That is, a kilometer by kilometer square....ten of those.

Each level of LAIR is (substantially, but on this scale it doesn't really matter) smaller than San Andreas in total.

 

[kaching]

Ugh, measurement problems...have the devs actually said "32x32 kilometers" or "32 square kilometers"? Because they're not the same.

 

[mckmas8808]

A kilometer is a measure of distance. That is, I live 10 kilometers from your house.

A square kilometer is a measure of area or space. That is, the area in this square is 10 kilometers squared. That is, a kilometer by kilometer square....ten of those.

Each level of LAIR is (substantially, but on this scale it doesn't really matter) smaller than San Andreas in total.

So you are saying that San Andreas is 44 square kilometers, while each level in Lair is 32 kilometers?

 

[Y2Kev]

Ugh, measurement problems...have the devs actually said "32x32 kilometers" or "32 square kilometers"? Because they're not the same.

I'd wager 32 square kilometers. The other would be enormous.

So you are saying that San Andreas is 44 square kilometers, while each level in Lair is 32 kilometers?

A level can't be just kilometers. It's only a measure of distance that contains no space. A measure of size must be in square kilometers (for a 2 dimensional plane).

If the information we've been given is correct (32 square kilometers per level), you're looking at something that's like a little less than six kilometers wide by six kilometers long.

 

[EviLore]

So square kilometers are different than just kilometers right? I forgot this stuff in high school.

So how many kilometers is 44 square kilometers?

Dude.

Dude.

 

[alterego]

I'd wager 32 square kilometers. The other would be enormous.

I just watched the video again he says "worlds of 32 by 32 kilometres".
That would be 1024 square kilometres.

 

[mckmas8808]

I'd wager 32 square kilometers. The other would be enormous.



A level can't be just kilometers. It's only a measure of distance that contains no space. A measure of size must be in square kilometers (for a 2 dimensional plane).

If the information we've been given is correct (32 square kilometers per level), you're looking at something that's like a little less than six kilometers wide by six kilometers long.

Oh then hell that means each Lair level is bigger than San Andreas and Oblivion combined and then plus some more, because each level is 32x32 kilometers.

 

[gofreak]

Ugh, measurement problems...have the devs actually said "32x32 kilometers" or "32 square kilometers"? Because they're not the same.

Eggebrecht says '32 by 32' in the gametrailers vid.

i.e. 1024 km^2

Which does seem rather big. IIRC, not all levels are this size, but their largest are.

It's a bit different comparing an aerial game to a game like SA though, but I suppose one of the things Factor5 seems to be aiming for is maintaining a uniformly high level of detail from a 'ground perspective' to an aerial one, which is very ambitious.

 

[Mmmkay]

It's referred to as "32 kilometers by 32 kilometers" in the Dean Takahashi interview:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

Though that is in reference to the engine's capabilities not necessarily the size of every level in the game. In comparison iirc, that's the size of Just Cause.

 

[kaching]

Straight from the horse's mouth:

Our engine is always designed in a huge world bubble and that can be 32 kilometers by 32 kilometers.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/qa_with_factor_5_chief_julian_eggebrecht.html

Can be that large, but not necessarily.

 

[Steroyd]

So you are saying that San Andreas is 44 square kilometers, while each level in Lair is 32 kilometers?

The size of the game was measured per arena not per level.

Not sure how much of a difference that is mind you.

*EDIT*

Damn it again!!! >_< screw you guys I'm going home.

 

[kaching]

In comparison iirc, that's the size of Just Cause.

You're right. Christ, if any single level in Lair even approaches that...

 

[mckmas8808]

You're right. Christ, if any single level in Lair even approaches that...

He's said in earlier interviews that a level is 32x32 square kilometers.

I'm surprised you forgot about that Kaching. I bet you Wollan would remember.

 

[Steroyd]

Though that is in reference to the engine's capabilities not necessarily the size of every level in the game. In comparison iirc, that's the size of Just Cause.

Wow maybe the myths are true that the game does use 4GB per level. <inserts Blu-ray reference>

Level/Arena that size with a RTS type engine running the troops to give different results each time, i wonder if the war would carry on if i went to the furthest corners of the level.

 

[Raist]

I wonder how the levels are closed. Mountains or just invisible walls ?

 

[mckmas8808]

Wow maybe the myths are true that the game does use 4GB per level. <inserts Blu-ray reference>

Level/Arena that size with a RTS type engine running the troops to give different results each time, i wonder if the war would carry on if i went to the furthest corners of the level.

There is NO myth. Julian himself said the levels were 4 GB per level. And I believe he also said that the fight does carry on without if you fight in another area. That's kinda the whole point of having 1,000 guys on each side of the war fighting each other.


A 1,000 of their guys are fighting 1,000 of your guys. You have to beat there 1,000 before they beat yours.

 

[nelsonroyale]

So square kilometers are different than just kilometers right? I forgot this stuff in high school.

So how many kilometers is 44 square kilometers?

nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

 

[mckmas8808]

nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111

Okay your late and I got it now.

 

[nelsonroyale]

Okay your late and I got it now.

they use miles in the states?

 

[kaching]

He's said in earlier interviews that a level is 32x32 square kilometers.

What you're saying here is that it's 32 kilometers square, SQUARED AGAIN. Think about it.

I'm surprised you forgot about that Kaching. I bet you Wollan would remember.

I blame you, for messing up the measurement.

 

[Forsete]

I thought I sucked at math. :lol

 

[BeEatNU]

they use miles in the states?

yes,

 

[Raist]

32 kilometers square, SQUARED AGAIN. Think about it.

 

[VNZ]

What you're saying here is that it's 32 kilometers square, SQUARED AGAIN. Think about it.

 

[Kittonwy]

F5 + Artoon (Manabu Kusunoki) = Panzer Dragoon Saga 2

C'mon Sony... just goddamn do it.

Why would Sony want to pay Sega for their license? If they would just buy the IP, that would be different but then I think it would be better to just have your own IP and your own set of myths and storylines.

 

[mckmas8808]

What you're saying here is that it's 32 kilometers square, SQUARED AGAIN. Think about it.

I blame you, for messing up the measurement.

Well damnit you knew what I meant. -_-

 

[PS360]

32x32 km? 32 km square km? 1024 km squared? 32 km squared? Square km square squared?

Jesus people.

THIS IS MADNESS!

"THIS...IS...MIDDLE SCHOOL MAAAAAAAAAATH!"

 

[Doom_Bringer]

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Well this is a tangent i never expected to see in a game thread....

 

[Steroyd]

Well this is a tangent i never expected to see in a game thread....

Don't worry everything will go the full 360 degrees and we'll start being wowed by Lair again.

 

[kaching]

I don't think I'll be able to enjoy this game now unless it's 1024x1024 square kilometers squared. And that still doesn't tell us how high we can fly.

F--- it. *goes to play Just Cause*

 

[Dante]

The scale of this game is completly insane, and it's looking real solid in its Alpha build, i hope everything really comes together for hen in these final months.

 

[FightyF]

They claim they are streaming textures off the BluRay...but why not the Hard Drive?

Is it because the 20Gb models are slower than the 60Gb? Either way, you'd think it would be faster than off the BluRay drive...

Factor 5 has always proven themselves to be great in visuals, but as far as gameplay goes, I'm very weary.

1) Missions, as pointed out in the 1Up vid, could be as linear as they were in their Star Wars games.

2) No radar...will it affect dogfights negatively?

3) Will the game be as short as the Star Wars titles?

I plan to rent this one. If it was a sandbox game...or an RPG...I'd be all over it.

 

[mckmas8808]

I don't think I'll be able to enjoy this game now unless it's 1024x1024 square kilometers squared. And that still doesn't tell us how high we can fly.

F--- it. *goes to play Just Cause*

Kaching I GET IT! It's 1024 square kilometers big, while SA is 44 square kilometers.

 

[USD]

Why does the scale of the level matter that much? If anything, it's misrepresented, since the scale of the game is based more on the dragon, and not on the human. Plus the fact you're flying around at fairly high speed. Not to say the levels aren't big (they are), or that there is no focus on smaller stuff, with the massive amounts of troops and whatnot, but it makes comparisons with other games somewhat irrelevant.

 

[Insertia]

Under 64x64 square kilometers=No buy

 

[Core407]

Does anyone actually know how fast these dragons fly?

 

[mckmas8808]

but it makes comparisons with other games somewhat irrelevant.

No it doesn't. I want to feel how big the/that level is without playing it. I can use Vice City or San Andreas as a reference because I've played those two games and I've used a plane to fly around in both of those games. I know how big they feel.

And other can do the samething with Just Cause. If you've played that game you can use that as a reference to how big one level will be.

 

[bud]

this thread:

1. looks meh
2. looks pretty good
3. omg dev walkthrough f5 am gods
4. wuts a square mile?

 

[Raist]

Does anyone actually know how fast these dragons fly?

Please, people have a hard time figuring area units, don't throw in speed now ! :lol

 

[DCharlie]

I don't think I'll be able to enjoy this game now unless it's 1024x1024 square kilometers squared. And that still doesn't tell us how high we can fly.

if this thread goes cubic, then i think at least 3 posters will have a melt down.