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Gametrailers Lair **New** "HD" clips
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Gamespot says it moving into alpha stage-- Lair is currently moving into the alpha phase of development, which means all of the major features have been implemented.
IGN says its a alpha build-- The version we saw was an alpha build.
So is all this just early stuff like halos alpha, but just not time stamped with alpha on the video.
IGN says its a alpha build-- The version we saw was an alpha build.
So is all this just early stuff like halos alpha, but just not time stamped with alpha on the video.
Thunderbear
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TTP said:
Yeah, I think it's all about doing it "right". I haven't really heard many people complain that The Matrix was too green as an example which had a green filter on it through all the scenes in the Matrix.
I think one problem is that Hideo Kojima with his latest MGS4 trailer pulled all the colors a little bit too much and lost all the color detail. That's just my view tho, I still think it's amazing looking. But I can understand why people think it's a bit too homogenous.
I don't like comparing games to movies, but I think colors are colors and are equally important no matter what the medium.
PistolGrip
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New videos look leaps and much better than IGNS. Loved the dev commentary. Field of vision and sense of scale are OMFGBBQ
TheProfessor said:
Agreed. The GT vids have seriously wowed me more than ANY other game we've seen for PS3. I can't wait to play this game on my HDTV. Even if the game sucks (which I hope it won't) it'll be a day one purchase to satisfy the graphics whore side to me.
But I can't wait to see what Factor 5's other project is. If they are doing a Turrican game to a similar scale then :O
Tieno said:
Yep, Lost Planet explosions are the best I've seen yet. Crackdown's were in a different style but looked very impressive too.
The only things that let down Lair IMO are the explosions and the sprite grass. But while it can almost certainly be forgiven considering everything else is so jaw droppingly amazing, I can't help think that a couple more months development could have given us (or could still give us?) real grass and some better explosion effects.
Either way, the game still looks friggin' amazing so I'm just being fussy now.
nelsonroyale
Member
I think the grass is 3d, at least it looks good to me, barring the blurriness, and barring a couple of the times when you see it from a distance (thought that vid looked terribly compressed)
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GreggTheGrimReaper
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ZOMG.
It's funny that Lair uses the same techniques for explosions as GRAW2, but in GRAW2 they are the most incredible explosions ever and here they are atrocious. I of course that more resources are apent on explosion in GRAW2 of course.
Lair is impressive as tech demo, but it stands out in many and yet it falls short in others. They should balance things a bit IMO.
Lair is impressive as tech demo, but it stands out in many and yet it falls short in others. They should balance things a bit IMO.
60_gig_PS3
Banned
Ceb said:
The collision detection is probably only on the initial impact.
le.phat said:
But he's all scaley and shit, not smooth like a finger, so the segmented nature of his body should cause wave motions throughout the entire dive. Anyway, I'm mostly disappointed that the initial impact doesn't splash water up on the adjacent cliffs. Shows that there are still limitations to the water physics when it can't actually spill over onto a landmass.
I think the grass looks weird not because it's a bmp (I don't think it is) but mostly because the color is too flashy (it kindy pops out of the scenery) and uniform in a single bush. And the fact that it looks like they just cloned the same model a billion times doesn't help either.
But honestly, I really don't give a **** about grass in this game, neither do I do because the sea dragon makes only one ripple and the water doesn't splash around much :lol
Considering the ridiculous scale and amount of details in this game, I'd call this extreme nit-picking
But honestly, I really don't give a **** about grass in this game, neither do I do because the sea dragon makes only one ripple and the water doesn't splash around much :lol
Considering the ridiculous scale and amount of details in this game, I'd call this extreme nit-picking
mckmas8808
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Ceb said:
It's a 1st gen games guys.
I still think many people are forgetting this. They couldn't implement all the things we are asking for in the time frame that they have.
We're fine with that, but when developers themselves say "look at how amazingly water reacts to dragon's fire or sea monsters" and it fact it looks really simple I think it's ok to point that out.mckmas8808 said:
No doubt that physical interactions will progress in future games.
szaromir said:
you're talking about the dev walkthrough videos ?
They only said the water was reacting to explosions, and they've got another level with intensive use of fluid dynamics that' they'll show later. They didn't mention the sea dragon level, and they didn't really sound like you said, but I may have missed it.
antiloop said:No way, the water physics aren't perfect?! Do any other game even have water physics like these?
I'm not one of the haters - I think the game looks pretty damn amazing and I'm sure Factor 5 will iron out the framerate and weak special effects. But for all the hubbub about the water, I don't think it behaves as naturally as it should. I suppose that could improve too, but I'm guessing the physics model is pretty much set in stone at this moment.
60_gig_PS3
Banned
I expect Kojima's team to pay better attention to those finer details (like splashing water). Lair is still very nice though the most impressive thing is the massive scale.
I hated the IGN vids, but those gametrailers developer commentaries are really impressive. And I do actually like the aesthetics in that level, at least from what I can see. They need to smooth some things out like the LOD etc. but with the sheer scale there it is hard not to be impressed.
fortified_concept
Banned
This game may be at the top three in my list of 'most technically impressive games this gen so far' but, damn, some of the art choices are bad.
I mean I was stunned by the dev videos and how beautiful the city is but some elements just don't fit in the inviroment. Soldiers and creatures in ground battles look bad and in general many artistic choices make some technically worse parts like textures and models to stand out and show their true ugliness in all its glory. I know you can't have 2000+ high poly soldiers or perfect textures in a game that you fly in a 32kmx32km enviroment but in most games devs know how to hide the technically bad parts of the games or make them part of the enviroment so they don't stand out (Gears imo is the best example this gen cleverly using textures, bump mapping and other effects to cover the inefficiences of the Unreal engine like low poly models) while Factor5 is doing exactly the opposite. I'm not that excited about the art choices on the dragons either.
Milhouse31 is right imo, there's lots of bad art in this game. Still thinking of buying the game though if gameplay is good since parts of the game like the city are so "OMFG!" amazing that you just want to try them.
I mean I was stunned by the dev videos and how beautiful the city is but some elements just don't fit in the inviroment. Soldiers and creatures in ground battles look bad and in general many artistic choices make some technically worse parts like textures and models to stand out and show their true ugliness in all its glory. I know you can't have 2000+ high poly soldiers or perfect textures in a game that you fly in a 32kmx32km enviroment but in most games devs know how to hide the technically bad parts of the games or make them part of the enviroment so they don't stand out (Gears imo is the best example this gen cleverly using textures, bump mapping and other effects to cover the inefficiences of the Unreal engine like low poly models) while Factor5 is doing exactly the opposite. I'm not that excited about the art choices on the dragons either.
Milhouse31 is right imo, there's lots of bad art in this game. Still thinking of buying the game though if gameplay is good since parts of the game like the city are so "OMFG!" amazing that you just want to try them.
mckmas8808
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Ceb said:
The best thing about the water as far as physics goes (imo) is the way the boats float on the water.
I felt like I was about to get sea sick looking at the way the ships move up and down with the waves in the ocean.
Did anybody else notice this?
nelsonroyale
Member
I really like some of the art in this game, but I think some of the graphics need optimised to do it best justice...I think the guys armour looks really nice
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mckmas8808
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I just felt like posting these again because they are teh sex.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
nelsonroyale said:
If game is Halo 3=don't judge alpha graphics
If game is LAIR=Judge alpha graphics
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Kleegamefan said:
fixed...
it's just a norm around here. MGS4, Uncharted, Lair, Motorstorm all suffered through this
wow, some of you guys are really nitpickers.
There you have some of the most impressive and the most epic graphics we have yet see, and you guys go complain about, OH MY GAWD, only the head splashes in the WATER!
You guys must really hate the PS3 or FACTOR 5 or something.
There you have some of the most impressive and the most epic graphics we have yet see, and you guys go complain about, OH MY GAWD, only the head splashes in the WATER!
You guys must really hate the PS3 or FACTOR 5 or something.
Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Doom_Bringer said:
yeah....I know...I just didn't want to come out and say it
bobbytkc said:
Your words, not mine...
bobbytkc said:
Well yeah, you may say that's nitpicking to the max. But I guess some people pay more attention to some details, than other people do. I don't mind the bush in Motorstorm or Lair for instance, but I know people that find it fugly. (that said, they just saw screencaps of MS. IG it's less shocking)
Personally, I'm very shocked by the huge contrast between foreground details (extremely polished and sharp) and background details (extremely blurry) in games using the UE3 engine, and I think it looks like crap. I prefer a good level of textures and image quality everywhere. But when I mention this contrast to people, some say "what the hell are you talking about".
Perception is an amazing thing