darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
If you have a 95 % marketshare normal rules don't apply anymore. Because users have no choice anymore and are exploited as a result (their data in this case).
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Google fined record 2.42bn euros ($2.72bn) by European Commission
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If you have a 95 % marketshare normal rules don't apply anymore. Because users have no choice anymore and are exploited as a result (their data in this case).
Not even close.
Why would you think the european commission would have any issue fining Chinese companies, while it's fining an american company?
ClosingADoor
Member
No, they are not fined for that. If they had run regular ads everyone can buy, this wouldn't be a problem. But they position Google Shopping above all other results by default, which is the problem. Read the ruling, it's pretty clear why the fine is given.
When you basically own the market you cannot manipulate the market with your own products. If a grocery store owned the entire market and did what you described they would get fined as well. It happened with Microsoft in the 90's and ATT in the 80's
It's strange no matter how clear it's written and explained people still think big mean EU picking on US companies. Amusing but also disappointing. Good on the EU for having the regulations and balls to protect the marketplace and consumers. Shame if you have a problem with that.
Say Google decides they want to be Amazon, the sheer weight they throw around and the push through their services makes it unfair. You can't compete with that which is why you need to watch how they do business and take on complaints from others to see if they are doing wrong.
Say Google decides they want to be Amazon, the sheer weight they throw around and the push through their services makes it unfair. You can't compete with that which is why you need to watch how they do business and take on complaints from others to see if they are doing wrong.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Should cover Greece's next loan payment.
Basically.
It's pretty obvious what's going on. EU is just trying to milk money from US companies.
Frustrated_me
Member
lol, right.
Not like Google isn't doing some shady shit.
Nope. This is all for Greece.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
So, according to you, the EU should have no say in what companies do on EU territory if those companies don't come from the EU?
American companies can completely ignore laws because, well, they are from the US.
Is that what you are saying? Cause that is what you are implying.
This has to be refuted every 50 posts, lmao
The Google fine is 1.5% of EU budget and the investigation took 7 years.
Don't be ridiculous
Man, your politics just suck in general don't they
TheLaughingStock
Member
The fat cat's best weapon is poor people defending them.
Kill Your Masters
Member
http://uk.businessinsider.com/eu-google-antitrust-monopoly-europe-case-2017-6?r=US&IR=T
It's mostly other US companies complaining. This is far away from a political issue in terms of EU vs US.
Some of you Americans have a weird fetish for big companies owning a single market. Do you guys also clap when shareholders get big bonuses?
Theonik
Member
I wish this was for Greece. Can we start a fund?
It will be like a swear jar but for anti-trust lawsuits.
And once we hit 300bn we use the money to bail out Greece.
ClosingADoor
Member
Those damn US companies like Philips, Daimler, Volvo, Saint-Gobain, Telefonica and more! I don't know why I even try anymore.
Yes, when you are the only store, then pushing your own services there can be abusing the market.
And lol, if the EU wanted Googles money, they would use tariffs or higher taxes for that, not a 7 year anti-trust investigation.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I've given up trying to explain to people what anti-trust is irl. Because usually somebody just answers "I've just googled "XYZ" and this thing didn't turn up so this 7 year investigation is clearly wrong".
It's like trying to explain to people why scientists can't definitively say that vaccinations don'T cause autism. Some people just don't want to understand how the world works.
Okay, driveby-es are starting to get to me. It's ridicolous. Read the damn thread.
So what's your opinion on the record fines of VW and Deutsche Bank by the US?
IISANDERII
Member
Now I'm wondering what overpriced purchases I've made over the years🤔
I read the article
It's THEIR OWN search results from their own website
The EU government has no rights to tell them what they can and can't say. Google doesn't have to be objective. If EU wants to make the internet shitty for google, then google should make the internet shitty for EU. You are not owed or entitled to anything from them. They do not have a duty to provide you search results, they are a corporation that you are choosing to use the services of.
Don't know/didn't pay attention. VW cars have all been junk for the last 20 years though, so I'm not surprised they got fined for something
True Savior
Member
And some gaffers were mad at me when I mentioned the board was a bit too conservative for my taste lol. Luckily I'm not the only one thinking that way. Thank you.
ClosingADoor
Member
If a company has pretty much a monopoly, they can't just do what they please anymore, because it is very easy to abuse that position.
Google has no duty to provide search results, but they have the duty to follow the law, and in this case they broke it by being anti-competitive.
Just because I have a choice to not use a service, doesn't mean that company is free to do whatever they want. I also don't have to buy a ton of products, yet we have laws about how those are produced, what they can contain, what labels they need, etc, etc.
I can't believe you're actually doubling down after that godforsaken Idiocracy post
Goodbye left hemisphere
Reality does.
Listen, I'm not saying you cant be entitled to your opinion, but the whole "all opinions are equal" logic is trash. Plenty of people have opinions that are wrong
That isn't the internet being regulated, its Googles business practices, they're different things.
Your "i don't want my internet regulated" point of view doesn't really reconcile with your blindness towards letting Google have so much control over how it works in practice
I also want net neutrality - and that includes any one company having the ability to abuse their monopoly over how it works in practice. I would extend that to POV to Amazon too, hopefully the EU are looking into them as well
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
[screaming internally]
IISANDERII
Member
Kill Your Masters
Member
Hang on so you're saying Google CAN make the internet shitty? But yet, it's objective and can do whatever it wants? Don't you see the problem in this?
How do you come up with this line of thinking and not immediately see how powerful of a monopoly Google is, by implying it can make the internet shitty for a whole continent?
So if a Internet provider has a monopoly on a certain area of the US and suddenly decides to make the internet shitty for you by decreasing bandwidth, increasing prices, and telling you to "use it or go fuck yourself", you would be ok with that?
TetraGenesis
Member
Between some of the comments in this thread and the CNN resignations one... Has NeoGAF successfully been infiltrated by far-right grassrooters?
No. It is still mostly left wing people who fail to grasp the concept of hypocrisy.
This needs to be quoted again, for it is very accurate.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
In all honesty, the "leave OUR multi-billion dollar conglomerates alone EU" sentiment is both sad and eye-opening. If the US decided to fine VW for breaking US laws you wouldn't see anybody here yelling how the US is just jealous and wants to be mean to the EU.
Edit: Actually I shouldn't say that. There may be such people here as well.
TetraGenesis
Member
*rolls eyes*
Already an example I posted in last page, TripAdvisor for hotels
Google does it so Google Reviews take up that spot despite not having 1/10th of the reviews
Yes the EU government has those rights just like the US government has done the same thing in the past. When a company becomes a monopoly the same rules don't apply anymore because they can manipulate the market to their benefit. If Google had 50% market share they probably wouldn't have been fined for it. I can't believe people are defending this crap.
Just because you think VW is trash doesn't negate the reverse was happening with fines. It just makes your argument look like a troll
More likely to be the run of the mill USA USA USA chest thumping. Or fanboys.
I should point out that I'm referring to people here in this thread, also those in tax related threads too.
I mean, look at this:
wtf.
The Friendly Monster
Member
VW did get fined in the US just this year.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...s-43-billion-us-payment-over-diesel-emissions
Here's inner-G's great take.
Muffin1611
Banned
They should have fought it if they were in the right.
They could also tell us to fuck off and not sell their VWs here anymore, either. That would be ok too.
VW is a big enough brand there will probably be people defending it just due to brand loyalty
I don't think you would find a 'EU patriot' type who is equating it to economic warfare or anything though
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