tiltnkirby
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NM60 is pretty much extreme, it's fairly easy and fast.
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NM60 is pretty much extreme, it's fairly easy and fast.
So... I've been building my light grid on and off for months and replacing all the SR lumi swords with SSR lumi swords when I get a chance...only to notice my DMG spikes up insanely high whenever I do. I just attributed that to the difference of SR to SSR but I've only realized that unlike other Omega grids...lumi SRs do jack shit.
Why was I building this shit? It was my fault for not reading the skill but...why.
Why was I building this shit? It was my fault for not reading the skill but...why.
TatteredHat
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Lol, easy mistake. Dark / Light Magna SR have no attack skills at all.
Lostconfused
Member
Fire Magna isn't any stronger than it was this time last year except for the 40%-60% bump depending on if you can or can't find a Shiva support.
darkblade77
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Xeno Flamescythe didn't exist last year. Outside of that weapon simply being a stronger boon on the whole for elemental/magna grids, that weapon also made Berserker the de-facto dps class for fire in most content, which is another boon to elemental/magna builds vs primal.
This is because Rage 4 benefits magna/elemental setups more than primal builds thanks to normal mod, and because having the higher MA uptime(compared to GW dagger classes) is a bigger boon to magna/elemental, who can't obtain boosted MA from grid.
Shiva call itself also muddles the waters a lot for most content. It's pretty easy for fights that aren't the harder variety of 6man HL/Baha HL to get tipped by a Shiva call when it comes to comparing performance.
Magna fire is definitely in a different place than it was last year, even if the major game plan builds for it haven't changed that much.
Felessan
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At this time last year magna fire didn't have
1. FLB IM@S axe
2. Xeno Axe (also at FLB)
3. Mika sword
4. Extra skill on Suzaku katana
So no, last year at this time magna fire was significantly weaker.
Lostconfused
Member
It still doesn't have at least 3 of those things. So whatever I guess.
Lostconfused
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Nothing, it's just a matter of preference.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Is that Kirara summon worth anything or should I just focus on getting the two weapons?
Dedication Through Light
Member
Another useless event summon in the sea of endless summons
Felessan
Member
Your playstyle or favorite characters are a matter of preference.
Being stronger or weaker are matters of quantitative measurements.
You can deliberately choose to play weak playstyle, grid or character - it has nothing to do with overall strength or weakness of element.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I guess I can just live with one and slowly get the other summon. lol
Xisiqomelir
Member
Shh, no it's the best. Why use Agni?
Shiva? That's just some crap
Xeno whatsit? COLO CANE ALL THE WAY
EDIT: Amidst the nonsense, I nearly missed congratulating DtL for the joy of Oh My Bahamut!
You know none of this was said at all, right
grow the fuck up. shit's embarrassing. all this on top of your grade 2 reading comprehension. too much for me lmao
Se7enSword
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vs primal? Xeno axe boosts primal grids immensely too (Completely killing colo canes finally), not to mention agni grids can easily hit cap as well. While rage IV does boost magna/elementals more, on the other hand it means you can bring something else other than it.
Elemental performance wise, Fire is certainly in a better position than Wind now and i'd rank it equal to light.
Water, Earth and Dark are still a cut above the rest...and water hasn't had it's 120% summon yet.
What does mika sword have to do with magna fire in general? You wouldn't use it except for vs wind content, and your ideal colo build should be ecke sachs too for that content, which invalidates most of that list.
Extra skill doesn't even matter much for colo builds either since it's unboosted. Cap up is good, and again that would mostly see action against vs wind content or non-hl fights for magna fire.
Xisiqomelir
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Hello, what is your position on the strength of magna fire vs elemental or primal fire?
I know you cannot actually contest this point, which is why you are resorting to drive-by posting. I'm not sure why you're trying to needle me, I'm a pretty sedate GAffer.
In any case, this is horrendous thread pollution, for which I am equally culpable, so forgive me for not engaging any of your further replies. Consider yourself as having "won" or whatever.
darkblade77
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Xeno axe is a bigger deal for magna grids than it is for primal grids. That doesn't mean xeno axe isn't amazing for primal grids; it's amazing for any grid.
Xisi's own motocal results floating a 3rd axe over having 5 magna weapons in a magna build is proof enough. That wouldn't happen in primal except as filler.
There's really no sub skill Zerker can take that's better than rage IV so I don't really get the 'you can take something else' angle; there isn't a comparable skill that scales better with primal over magna (e.g. fire attack up).
I agree with the rest.
My position is that magna and f2p primal builds are pretty much the same. Magna becomes potent a lot sooner than f2p primal. Endgame f2p primal has an edge thanks to more access to utility skill weapons, a higher base multiplier, and the nature of separate critical rolls from grid, but in practice the difference is not terribly significant except in very drawn-out fights.
Double elemental becomes potent even sooner than magna. It has an edge on off/null-element content (except against $$$primal), but with the new Bahamut raid allowing criticals on null enemies, that advantage is going to become less useful--and generally there are better elements to invest in for off-element content anyway.
Double elemental is generally trounced by magna or f2p primal on-element for obvious reasons. The only chance one has to break away with double elemental is in short fights.
TLDR:
"midgame"
f2p primal < magna < elemental < $$$primal
"endgame"
elemental < magna <= f2p primal < $$$primal
Lostconfused
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Colossus canes are just that bad, you would never use more than 5 at best, and 4 unknown weapons was standard if you wanted to do double elemental summons for some reason.
Se7enSword
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But there are plenty of skills. For example, i'd bring MM/AB2/Splitting spirit on my zerkers, but for raids like baha HL, i can bring in something else to replace MM like AR3 for more points. Or even revive if i'm being cautious.
As for the motocal bit, that calculation for having 3 xeno axe has been there since Feb when Xeno Ifrit was first out, it's nothing groundbreaking. As Lost said, 4 unknowns is the standard in double elementals and that was the standard since 4* pinya axes.
darkblade77
Member
The same options are available to Magna and elemental builds, and Class IVs are inherently flexible enough that they could run utility options like that while keeping Rage IV. Selling the free slot as a boon is a stretch.
I don't disagree, but I am not trying to point it out as groundbreaking new information. Just an example that is easily available to see in this thread that illustrates my point: Flamescythes are a bigger deal for magna grids than primal grids, because the former is so starved for attack power that running at least 5 vanilla magna weapons isn't a lock--unlike literally every other element's standard magna build.
Yes, double elemental builds use a lot of unknowns. I did mention that flamescythe was a bigger boon for them over primal as well, so I'm not sure where you're going with that.
Lostconfused
Member
This argument is silly. Every element received buffs over the course of the year. Fire and dirt are just ahead of every other one in getting their skill lvl 15 unknown and new elemental summon before everyone.
Felessan
Member
We are in rainbow meta, so I naturally assume that one can talk only about on-element from now on.
And "most"? You will still use both Xeno and Mika even with ecke sachs (and they are pain to farm, so you will still use imas and xeno inbetween, of course if you don't want to farm several xeno axes, that is serious dedication),
Extra skill is good when you want survivability. You can't always hope that boss will be locked with blind/fear/charm/para/break lock etc and judging from the direction of GW bosses and recent raids took, new raids will have immunity to some debuffs to invalidate current "super glass canon" strategy.
Dedication Through Light
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Woot got 3rd eternal, now to grind angel halo until the celebration ends, 5* still aiming for it.
Ultimadrago
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Final Idolm@ster Challenge, finally. Glad they decided to finally just release them like this.
Dedication Through Light
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Is the chrome app working for anyone?
Got all my mats for unlock row IV classes. Waiting for the reset tomorrow for the last 5 distinctions. Now to decide what to build first, wind main.
I know everybody recomend spartan or sage first but I dont really see the improvement over row III. Its not that big unless Im missing anything.
Feeling like making chaos ruler since it looks badass and his skills are actually good in my eyes. I would do warlock but I used mage distinctions for my weapon.
Thinking on doing Chaos Ruler > Bandit Tycoon > Warlock > Sage. Have CP to unlock 4 right now.
Elysians seem broken but I dont think it gives anything for wind. I will have to unlock it in the future.
I know everybody recomend spartan or sage first but I dont really see the improvement over row III. Its not that big unless Im missing anything.
Feeling like making chaos ruler since it looks badass and his skills are actually good in my eyes. I would do warlock but I used mage distinctions for my weapon.
Thinking on doing Chaos Ruler > Bandit Tycoon > Warlock > Sage. Have CP to unlock 4 right now.
Elysians seem broken but I dont think it gives anything for wind. I will have to unlock it in the future.
Ultimadrago
Member
Perhaps I should have done Chaos Ruler first. I still haven't unlocked it yet.
Sparta's biggest improvement over HS is getting rid of OS and substitute and getting access to a delay (which will probably save your ass after breaks/para in baha HL more than once). Debuff res is a nice addition but not ground-breaking.
Sage/Sparta are often recommended because they can be played off-element in 6-man HL, and most players new to HL content won't have on-element grids readily available. Think of a water main joining HL Marius with their best team, for example.
You won't be able to play CR vs Nezha as a wind main, unless you have an HL-ready fire grid already, in which case you'd still need an off-element class to join Twin Elements HL.
In short: Bandit Tycoon/Warlock (specifically) are awesome for wind teams, but since you won't be using either in 6-man HL at the beginning, do get either Sparta or Sage soon-ish.
got it, but my concern is, for example, if I play Sparta vs Nezha/Baha HL, even with a delay, being off element it wont land right? unless its landing rate is amazing that I dont know, then I would need to equip a fire/light weapon on my sparta, at that point is the same that equiping a fire weapon on my chaos ruler right?. I will make both for sure, but just to make sure I go with the right class. I guess that having that much CP I could just unlock both and call it a day. Then unlock Warlock and Bandit with the monthly reset (I have most of the mats to make an Oliver too, missing plates only, so Bandit is on my radar but not top priority since I need gun stones for my grid)
Bandit is best for massive damage in a raid. Synergy with gun pool, self buffs for break assassin and triple attack and team mirror image. It's also pretty good for light gun pools for the same reason. It was the first tier4 I unlocked personally. That said, I haven't used it in a long time.
I use warlock and chaos ruler extensively for all elements. Wind especially likes it. However if you are a Rosetta user then ruler loses a little luster. You don't really get an advantage with it. Unpredictable is too unpredictable, dropping blinds, paralyze and charms.
Sparta and sage are very important for HL content however. They bring a lot of value to the raid which will be important to support the guys that can do the damage. Until you can fill that role, the support role is your best bet. The real value of Sparta is swapping out the useless skills.
You need to be tackling HL content soon ish to start uncapping your weapons and developing a final limit break pool.
If you don't use Rosetta then ruler is a good first unlock but try to fast follow with sage or Sparta.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Sage is honestly the safe route for 6mans tbh, many times raids are saved at the final triggers by their healing prowess. I didnt finally stop playing as sage until I had >50K atk (in game calc) for superior elements. Though things go downhill fast when theres no reviver.
Thinking on doing Sage maybe so I can be useful on Nezha HL, I dont feel playing Spartan first until I feel confortable with the triggers. With sage I can always Heal on CD and do fine.
What subskills did you use with Sage?
Success rate is pretty good, yes, I remember it landing pretty often in BahaHL with my water comp. I did have Altair though.
I'd also echo the fact that sage seems safer/easier to play early on. Don't be afraid of playing Sparta though, you'll be fine so long as you read a guide beforehand, but since wind has the RoB spear Sage is also particularly nice.
TheBryanJZX90
Member
Nothing but Celeste selfies and non-dagger Levi SSRs (ever notice that all Levi SSRs other than the dagger look the same?) for me all magfest. Easily spent more berries on this one than any prior magfest too. Sucks. I got one event dagger to FLB but ran out of steam there and didn't get a sausage axe like I wanted.
Edit: Ok got my very first ancient ecke sachs so I guess I am finally starting on my F2P Agni grid. Lol. If I can get one more uncap stone for Agni I guess.
Edit again: oops no that's the magna one
Edit: Ok got my very first ancient ecke sachs so I guess I am finally starting on my F2P Agni grid. Lol. If I can get one more uncap stone for Agni I guess.
Edit again: oops no that's the magna one
Dedication Through Light
Member
So there was a new EMP update, and one that I particularly like is a new support+ skill Petra (SSR at least) got.
"Fire, water, and earth ATK boosts also boost wind ATK."
And remember, she's got Elemental Breath as an ability, which boosts all allies' fire, water, earth, and wind attack. From what I've seen elsewhere, she gets quite a nice buff from it all.
"Fire, water, and earth ATK boosts also boost wind ATK."
And remember, she's got Elemental Breath as an ability, which boosts all allies' fire, water, earth, and wind attack. From what I've seen elsewhere, she gets quite a nice buff from it all.
Xisiqomelir
Member
Celeste nerfs are awesome, I can finally solo it now
TheBryanJZX90
Member
We don't even gotta win our matches anymore to get badges in group C!
We gotta get in group C first but we were closer to B than dropping out of C in both of the previous GWs so not too worried there?
I'm going off of natural stamina today, but I'll probably start using pots sometime in the second half.
Light isn't very fun though.
I struggled through previous GW, but not so much during this one. I only have one Light SSR, Io. I like her VA and all, but her kit is seriously not that great, but I don't have anyone better to replace her, and I'm already using SR Albert and 5* Noa. Everything just dies so fast and this team requires too much button pressing. I don't know if I'll be able get enough Tokens to open three Axes and 11M Honor for the 3 Blue Sky Crystals. Maybe I should just go yolo and use my Dark team. *sigh*
Tbh, you are one of our only carries and I don't think Troom has many light lords.
Does anyone know if 2* Raphael (unkown light gun) is stronger than 3* nigredo? When not used as MH, I mean. Going for the 2 unkowns route.
Well, I do not expect many C-tier crews to be much ahead of us in that regard. Light is usually regarded as a hard to farm element (and not without reason), but is usually not brought up when discussing broken/op grids (because most people realize getting the required amount of swords is no easy feat).
In short, I expect most guilds to be around our level in C-tier, since light doesn't have the appeal dark has (enmity/zoey memes) nor the ease to farm wheel elements have.
We should really give it a spin, qualify and see how it goes.
Well, I do not expect many C-tier crews to be much ahead of us in that regard. Light is usually regarded as a hard to farm element (and not without reason), but is usually not brought up when discussing broken/op grids (because most people realize getting the required amount of swords is no easy feat).
In short, I expect most guilds to be around our level in C-tier, since light doesn't have the appeal dark has (enmity/zoey memes) nor the ease to farm wheel elements have.
We should really give it a spin, qualify and see how it goes.
Xisiqomelir
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Missed A by 400 
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