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GT IW: Marcus Beer strikes out at Jon Blow/Phil Fish over XB1 indie GI coverage
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njean777
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Agree. Game "journalist" are horrible at their craft. Only about 5% deserve the title journalist.
IdreamofHIME
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I can't believe people argue over twitter, freaking losers. No matter if you're some millionaire rapster, hollywood moviestar or some indie dev....check yourself before you post that shit.
Just blows my mind how people flush their image away on that place.
Just blows my mind how people flush their image away on that place.
I take that comment, made through twitter, as a hollow and unserious threat from someone who feels attacked and threatened, and do not judge him for it. The entire fake persona people have built around Phil is people viciously, over the top attack him, he retaliates, and people use that as more ammunition to spew hate at him. It doesn't start with him, and it doesn't end with him.
I don't follow your example. Mike from PA had a "transphobic rant?"
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
I was in complete agreement with Marcus before I read the dev tweets. Blowfish were 100% right in the comments they gave. the game journalist are just salty cause they got called out for jumping the gun.
freenudemacusers
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have you tried contacting fish through twitter?
Rawket Lawnchair
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I didn't know who this Beer guy is, but he comes off as a total douche in that video.
ShockingAlberto
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Oh well that makes it okay.
If we can come to the consensus that encouraging people to kill themselves does not constitute a viable threat, then there's absolutely no harm in it.
The funny thing is, that Beer seconds before commenting on Fish' reaction to the GI-thing, explained why he does a break on AG. Because he doesn't want to be THAT person, who stirs up controversy for its own sake. Ridiclious. Not saying he is the only one to blame though. It's pathetic on both sides. Can't say I'm surprised though&I don't even follow Twitter/Gaf that long...
You mean like when you bashed the X1 in several different videos... and then said you've got it pre-ordered just in case? I'd say it's more hypocrisy than irony.
Snapshot King
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Fish goes out and says that japanese games just suck. Fish has a prominent role in a film about the struggles of making Fez. He then, after 5 years, releases a game that not only fails to deliver on its original core premise, but tries to fool everyone into thinking it's actually a super deep mystery by hiding half the game in a series of 1 to 1 cryptographic keys where the only difficulties are finding the key and brute forcing the language.
For him to have taken five years to release that trash while shit talking half the industry seems like the epitome of pretention, to me.
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Deleted member 80556
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Jesus, who's defending who? People are saying that while Fish's comments were uncalled for, Beer also crossed a line.
Stop over generalizing the entire community.
Red Chocobo
Banned
He called AG a "Limey" too. But people don't seem to be picking up on that for some reason.
Is he aware that some of his fans might be English? Seemed like a dumb thing to do.
Is he aware that some of his fans might be English? Seemed like a dumb thing to do.
FlutterPuffs
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He did, somewhat. Not that he really meant it, he just lashed out against people who thought he was transphobic in the first place. He apologised for it at least, and made a big donation.
lol wario
xemumanic
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That's exactly where I am with Phil Fish. I've been following the game since I saw it on The 1 Up Show (maybe even before). But it was Phil himself and the way he chooses to communicate that soured me on the game before I even tried it. And when I finally did, I find I don't like it. Thankfully I played it on someone else's system who had already bought it.
Have nothing to say about Braid, I never played it.
Its hyperbole. When angry at others people also often shout things like, "I'll kill them!". They're not actually thinking about doing such things. The faster some people realize such comments aren't to be taken at face value, the better society will be.
A Serious Man
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When douchebags fight these battles on a twitter with their paddles and the twitter's on a poodle and the poodle's eating noodles...
They call this a muddle puddle douchebag poodle beetle noodle twitter paddle battle.
They call this a muddle puddle douchebag poodle beetle noodle twitter paddle battle.
Sorry, but your hollier-than-thou attitude is much more annoying than Fish's silly Futurama quote. You're attacking another person for the sole reason that you disagree with his opinion, Fish on the other hand was defending himself against accusations and used an obviously joking but misplaced pop culture quote. He had a reason, you have none.
At this points, it's painfully obvious that Fish has serious issues understanding how his words sound to other people and I'm honestly not sure why people have to punch him again and again for it. There are people who have issues like that and you are doing no one a favor when you attack such a person all the damn time. Just leave him be.
All this over some leech as pathetic as Marcus Beer. That guy's "rage gamer, angry man about games so mad grr" schtick (which is done all over the internet) is aimed at children and teenagers. He's talentless, he's just going to sit around making inflammatory remarks and generating hits, and I really hope Fez 2 isn't cancelled over that waste of space.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/06/21/well-that-escalated-quickly
It was more to do with ignorance than an active hatred and disregard for trans people but it was still gross.
Dio Brando
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Damn, it seems he's serious about cancelling Fez 2... Or not, who knows. maybe he's just incredibly pissed right now. Better to wait and see how things delevop.
Dude if you are clueless...
I think the interpretation of this whole situation varies drastically depending on who you think Phil Fish really is, and there is a untrue, fabricated, continually perpetuated myth, stemming from the non-story out of context "Japanese games suck" quote, of who he is that taints people's perceptions.
Snapshot King
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Why don't you break it down then for us? I followed that non-story pretty closely back in the day. Not much context one way or the other can do for it that doesn't make Fish look like a toolbox.
Damn, it seems he's serious about cancelling Fez 2... Or not, who knows. maybe he's just incredibly pissed right now. Better to wait and see how things delevop.
I mean obviously Fez 2 will eventually come out and all will be forgotten.
TriniTrin
war of titties grampa
AWWW POOOOORRRR FISHH! GUESS ITS A GOOD THING HE IS MADE OF MONEY AND DOESNT NEED TO MAKE FEZ2 AMITRITE!
You've obviously never played Dear Esther.
DKehoe
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Damn, it seems he's serious about cancelling Fez 2... Or not, who knows. maybe he's just incredibly pissed right now. Better to wait and see how things delevop.
Fish's avatar on twitter is of Andy Kaufman. I wouldn't take this stuff too seriously
honestly I couldn't care less, that guy is a clown anyway. (not in a good way)Damn, it seems he's serious about cancelling Fez 2... Or not, who knows. maybe he's just incredibly pissed right now. Better to wait and see how things delevop.
ShockingAlberto
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If being on the wrong side of this apparently means thinking people shouldn't tell other people to kill themselves, then I'm pretty fine where I am.
Relaxed Muscle
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What was out of context regarding the "japanese games suck" quote?
He was a douche to another dev, like him, and basically humilliated him in front of a multitude. The actual quote was irrelevant.
And he showed numerous times his disrespectful and out of the line comments. We know he gots lots of hate, but if he gets so much worked out about those he should just get off of twitter like he did and leave someone else the promotion of his games on social media, I mean before he basically had a mental breakdown.
I actually couldn't care less about the "Japenese games suck" hyperbole. Stop looking for excuses, people dislike Fish because of his shitty attitude and agressive comments on twitter. If he is facing such untrue vitriol over a fake persona of himself maybe he shouldn't be fanning the fire by fucking telling people to go kill themselves.
Snapshot King
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I did actually. I suppose out of context Dear Esther takes it, but with the context of Fish' comments about games prior, I think Fez edges it out. Esther didn't lie about what kind of game it was either, and I enjoyed it a lot more, to boot.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Is Phil Fish secretly 13 years old?
I have mixed feelings on this. While I appreciate Jon Blow/Phil Fish for not being the generic PR machines that are so common in the gaming industry, they act like manbabies a lot of the time (Phil Fish in particular). Marcus Beer is kind of being an asshat though, essentially making 1/4 of a podcast just talking about them being hipsters and insulting them. My advice to both of them:
To Phil Fish (and maybe Jon Blow): If you don't want to respond to certain people, don't respond. You don't need to whine or let the world know about it. It just makes game "journalists" more eager to complain about you (like Marcus Beer). Also, you don't need to cancel a game because someone doesn't like you. That makes zero sense.
To Marcus Beer: Stop being a complete ass and learn that not everyone has to bow down to the gaming press. If they don't want to give you info and likewise you don't want to give them coverage due to it, wonderful. Don't go on longwinded rants later for everyone to hear. Keep it personal and professional (aka not a big section in a podcast), it makes you look like a dick.
Yup. Just ignore the rude shit that will inevitably thrown at you if you're famous to any degree. I too don't get why some people are so eager to destroy their positive or neutral image.
To Phil Fish (and maybe Jon Blow): If you don't want to respond to certain people, don't respond. You don't need to whine or let the world know about it. It just makes game "journalists" more eager to complain about you (like Marcus Beer). Also, you don't need to cancel a game because someone doesn't like you. That makes zero sense.
To Marcus Beer: Stop being a complete ass and learn that not everyone has to bow down to the gaming press. If they don't want to give you info and likewise you don't want to give them coverage due to it, wonderful. Don't go on longwinded rants later for everyone to hear. Keep it personal and professional (aka not a big section in a podcast), it makes you look like a dick.
Yup. Just ignore the rude shit that will inevitably thrown at you if you're famous to any degree. I too don't get why some people are so eager to destroy their positive or neutral image.
mullet2000
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It's okay to personally attack someone for no good reason and call them a hipster piece of shit, a twat and other things though, of course.
ShockingAlberto
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I would love for you to point out where I said that.
This so, so much.
TriniTrin
war of titties grampa
2 wrongs dont make a right bra, both should be held accountable for their comment, but fish is acting like a spoiled child and told someone to kill them selves
Very simply, how I saw it:
That Quote was a half of a sentence in the beginning of a full answer to the question. Nobody in the room at the time was insulted after hearing the entire response. Not even the Japanese man he was talking to (who later said it was a good thing for him to hear, and Phil apologized to him regardless).
This:
Is patently false. Just flat out untrue.
But those couple of words got The Internet's knickers in a bunch and people started relentlessly attacking him, his game and his company, because god knows it's so easy to spew vitriol at someone on the internet. Takes about 2 seconds of typing and 0 seconds of thought. Everything snowballed from there. A misunderstanding taken by people to legitimize slandering.
Haunted
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I'm actually amazed that there are so many people who ripped off the angry videogame nerd and are successful with it.
So many shitty *adjective* gamer people on youtube.
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