Hitler Stole My Potato
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the chew said:Don't know if its been discussed or not, but does this pic mean chiefs legs conform to the environment? if so, BOOYA!
NOW WE'RE TALKING NEXT GEN
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Halo 3 swedish controverstory
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NOW WE'RE TALKING NEXT GEN
Francias Castiglione
Banned
Tieno said:
I hope you can melee barrels etc onto the cannon and launch them!
CabbageRed
Member
the chew said:
That and the positioning of the guy on the back of the ATV make me very hopefull that Bungie are paying close attention to the smaller details that can breathe a lot of life into a game.
Francias Castiglione
Banned
Stinkles said:
Oh I will, I just hope that means the ability to launch crap on the cannons is in and gives bonus points for kills with it!
Tieno said:
I don't think we have ever posed a character for a screenshot. The only "fakery" we do is tell a player to go to a certain spot, so he can be rocketed in his stupid face so that the resulting screenshot will be more awesome. That and we can obviously slow the game down to zero and move the camera around to take the shot at the perfect angle.
And of course we can take shots from the buffer at any resolution.
buckfutter
Member
Lots of games already do that sort of posing to the terrain. Well, their's is probably a little more complex than current and last gen implementations. But that sort of thing was to be one of the new and amazing features in Team Fortress 2 right after Half-Life 1 shipped.Scrow said:
buckfutter
Member
the chew said:
Shadow of the Colossus is a good example for something that produces similar looking results (judging from just this one small picture). It uses inverse kinematics blended with lots of keyframed animations, and physics too. Simple inverse kinematic approaches have been used for raising legs on uneven terrain in games as far back as Ocarina of Time. Probably even earlier. IK was used for the movements of Warthog passengers back in Halo 1, actually. Or that's what I remember hearing.
Again, this is likely quite a bit more complex than older solutions, but it isn't a brand new concept only possible with next gen systems or anything. I remember a bunch of people got wowed in some old Resistance thread because the spider tank things raised their legs on uneven terrain. Do people not really pay attention to the games they play?
buckfutter said:
Yeah, this has been around for quite a while, yet I can't bring too many examples to mind - DOA3 and onwards definetely have it, Ninja Gaiden definetely has it, and I'm not sure, but I believe the Splinter Cells have it as well...
But really though, you though Bungie posed models for the pics? They've always said that they get a bunch of guys together and while they play, they make the shots - they've never said that they've done something like open up the game on a dev kit and manually pose each part of their body or something...
It does crack me up that every time something good is pointed out in the pics - and there's a whole lotta that - someone tries to dash it. Cool character position? It's posed. Amazing textures and lighting? Too zoomed in/out/blurry to compare to anything in the history of anything to tell.Skilotonn said:
None of the screens Bungie has ever released have had posed shots, and I don't see them starting now.
buckfutter
Member
Skilotonn said:
Are you addressing me with the second parargraph? I never said they posed the models. I was just pointing out that it wasn't some new advance; basically the opposite. You're right with the bit about it being hard to think of good examples. Good solutions tend to blend into the background, I guess.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
AM2 were doing legs that moved to match the slant of the environment and so on back in Virtua Fighter 3.
That was, what? 96/97?
Those with a DC and a copy of VF3tb load it up and stick the stage with the boats on, and watch how the legs stay on the platforms, and move as the objects do.
That was, what? 96/97?
Those with a DC and a copy of VF3tb load it up and stick the stage with the boats on, and watch how the legs stay on the platforms, and move as the objects do.
the new indiana jones game from lucasarts is sort of the poster child for the tech at the moment.Skilotonn said:
http://www.naturalmotion.com/euphoria.htm
http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/705/705489p1.html
no idea if bungie are using it though. probably use their own in-house tech. *shrug*
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
sableholic said:
Maybe if your blind it looks better....
Good job finding a pic of Battlefield 2 running on its lowest possible setting.
Mark Gonzales
Banned
So it's just a higher poly Halo 2. Meh. Half-Lif2 2 is on par.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Mark Gonzales said:
extremely early shots i have all faith in bungie that it will look amazing when it is read for consumers to play.
Mark Gonzales
Banned
Not a Jellyfish said:
I'm sure the game will look good but they have pretty much said the game won't look as good as Gears. How that equates to best the 360 has to offer I don't know. Mass Effect is the best looking game IMO.
Mark Gonzales
Banned
Scrow said:
Good way to spin this
"We definitely have another strategy than Epic Games when it comes to graphics. We'll never engulf our game environments in lots of details like that. GoW looks absolutely fantastic, but we want to avoid compromising Halo's unique visual style. That's why we're making a clean, sharp game as opposed to one with insane amount of details." --Brian Jarrard
So less details = better looking? If you want to take his approach then Okami is better looking than Gears of War hands down.
Mark Gonzales said:
Wow, selective quoting, trolls know no bounds. How about quote the entire thing?
"A lot is still missing in this build. Weather- and water effects are missing, and most of our HDR isn't in there yet. We're still at alpha stage, but when everything is in place, Halo 3 will be the best X360 has to offer." --Brian Jarrard
Give it a rest.
perhaps not better, but serves bungie's intentions for the game. there are pros and cons to either choice. bungie might want to keep the detail comparably low to heighten clarity of experience, which is particularly important in multiplayer i'd imagine.Mark Gonzales said:
stylistic preference is subjective.Mark Gonzales said:
Francias Castiglione
Banned
Mark Gonzales said:
:lol
Gears is a lot tighter than Halo in terms of level design, as far as I'm aware there are no sprawling open natural areas so detail can be compressed into the areas that will be visited by the player.
Halo 3 on the other hand appears to be taking the same route as the original game and opening the levels up a lot more.
GhaleonEB said:
Heh heh... I'm sure any Bungie guy that reads these comments probably smile to themselves - it's the ultimate compliment when people think your in-game in-engine stuff isn't real...
I'm sure CliffyB gets that same feeling whenever he reads a comment about the Gears ad too...
buckfutter said:
Nah, it wasn't meant for you, it was more for Tieno, but either way, it wasn't meant in a negative way, nor did I think he meant it in a negative way either... I guess he just didn't know how Bungie makes their screenshots...
Scrow said:
No idea - they did switch from their own physics engine to Havok for Halo 2 though...
And good call on Virtua Fighter 3 using that tech as well cjelly - totally forgot that, especially since uneven floors was the "big change" in VF3...
AdmiralViscen
Banned
Mark Gonzales said:
How is that spin? His post looks like a straight paraphrasing to me.
While we're looking for things to compare those pics to to establish a point of reference, I thought I'd toss this one out. How about comparing Halo 3 to....Halo 3?
From the magazine:
From the Halo 3 announcement trailer:
The mag is obviously a much lower quality image, but the MC model, texturing and lighting looks like an absolute match in quality with the trailer. And there were absolutely epic debates here about whether the trailer was even realtime. So....when we see something that is as good as the trailer so many thought was CG, and it's realtime...it's suddenly not impressive?
Okay, I'm really done now.
From the magazine:
From the Halo 3 announcement trailer:
The mag is obviously a much lower quality image, but the MC model, texturing and lighting looks like an absolute match in quality with the trailer. And there were absolutely epic debates here about whether the trailer was even realtime. So....when we see something that is as good as the trailer so many thought was CG, and it's realtime...it's suddenly not impressive?
Okay, I'm really done now.
To be fair, most of the trolli.. err arguments are concerning the environment, not the Spartan models.GhaleonEB said:The mag is obviously a much lower quality image, but the MC model, texturing and lighting looks like an absolute match in quality with the trailer. And there were absolutely epic debates here about whether the trailer was even realtime. So....when we see something that is as good as the trailer so many thought was CG, and it's realtime...it's suddenly not impressive?
Okay, I'm really done now.
Speaking of models... Just noticed there aren't any Elite models in the pics.
Not that I care...
Fallout-NL
Member
raYne said:
Orbital drop shock troopers?
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