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"Have we forgotten about Avatar?"
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I say 'Ewa Hears You' all the time.
But not in a positive way. In a deus ex machina stupidest moment of all time kind of way.
I think for about 3 months the entire country fell into a haze of wanting to fly dragons and didn't actually realize the movie wasn't very good. Luckily we all woke up before it won an Oscar.
But not in a positive way. In a deus ex machina stupidest moment of all time kind of way.
I think for about 3 months the entire country fell into a haze of wanting to fly dragons and didn't actually realize the movie wasn't very good. Luckily we all woke up before it won an Oscar.
JumpJeff84
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I don't even recall lines in this movie when reminded of them! I literally have no idea who said 'Ewa hears you' or who Ewa was.
JumpJeff84
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Here's what I remember:
Jake is a marine and he's in zero gravity as the movie opens. He makes video logs and he goes to Pandora to get unobtainium and then he...Um, Michelle Rodriguez is there. SIgourney Weaver is there, and I don't recall if she's a villian or not.
At some point he 'avatars' and meets blue girl, and tames a creature with an umbilical cord and they run and jump and he joins the tribe in defending the Magic Deku tree from the evil military.
I think that's really all I remember.
you remembered an impressive amount.
Sigourney Weaver is kind of neutral in the film.
elrechazado
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Sure, it has nothing to do with the movie itself. Because clearly everyone has forgotten about, say, the avengers. Right?
bengraven
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I remember for a few months people were saying "I hear you, Jake Sooley" or whatever it was.
Edit: "I see you".
Maybe it was a furry thing. haha, furries went 10x each. Since I don't know any furries, that could explain it.
Edit: "I see you".
Maybe it was a furry thing. haha, furries went 10x each. Since I don't know any furries, that could explain it.
CassidyIzABeast
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Marvel/Avengers doesn't count. They've got tv shows, multiple movies of the characters from the avengers movie, conferences where they announce 8 god damn movies that will all make reference to The Avengers or elements involving the Avengers, and a sequel coming in 5 months. Their whole strategy revolves around you not forgetting.
JumpJeff84
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Oh yeah I did remember that too. I was gonna put it in my summary but forgot.
elrechazado
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Lol ok
WoolyNinja
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Fun movie, great special effects, would watch again. (in fact probably will thanks to this thread)
It also doesn't have a plot.
Were it a stand along movie and not an empire I think most people would totally forget about the marvel movies too. I mean, they are super fun, but totally throw away single-use popcorn flicks. But they keep them coming, so they stick around.
……forgetit
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It was a good movie, I enjoyed it, but I do agree that it did much better than it ever should have.
Delta Assault
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There we go.
I was hyped for Avatar.
Then, I started seeing summaries and reviews of it- I realized it was just another "White Savior" film. I did see it for myself in theaters but I was so disappointed.
Pandora isn't all that great either. It seemed to be a mishmash of the old sci-fi novels I used to borrow from my dad. The dragons were ripped straight from Ann McCaffrey. Looks practically identical to an Earth rainforest except with more glowing things. The aliens are just blue-cat Native Americans.
I've seen/read much better and more creative alien worlds than Pandora but I guess if you're not familiar with sci-fi it might look cool.
But as for me, I will definitely pass on the sequel.
Then, I started seeing summaries and reviews of it- I realized it was just another "White Savior" film. I did see it for myself in theaters but I was so disappointed.
Pandora isn't all that great either. It seemed to be a mishmash of the old sci-fi novels I used to borrow from my dad. The dragons were ripped straight from Ann McCaffrey. Looks practically identical to an Earth rainforest except with more glowing things. The aliens are just blue-cat Native Americans.
I've seen/read much better and more creative alien worlds than Pandora but I guess if you're not familiar with sci-fi it might look cool.
But as for me, I will definitely pass on the sequel.
Stevetopsy
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For me, the "bones" that made up Avatar were very familiar and derivative. I know there is nothing new under the sun but if Avatar had been made in some other way by some other director it might have even bombed. What made it the massive success that it was was James Cameron, the world of Pandora, and the use of 3D. While the actual story wasn't throwing you any curve balls, the 3D was very well done and Cameron was able to create a real attachment for the viewers with the world he created. He also applied what he had learned from Titanic about setting a love story between 2 people on opposing sides.
It was simply a very enjoyable, very pretty action-adventure film. Even though the story was tired, it kind of didn't even matter since the coat of paint was so nice. I admire all that Cameron did to advance the technology and i'm hoping that the sequels story-wise are more original and compelling.
It was simply a very enjoyable, very pretty action-adventure film. Even though the story was tired, it kind of didn't even matter since the coat of paint was so nice. I admire all that Cameron did to advance the technology and i'm hoping that the sequels story-wise are more original and compelling.
I liked it enough to buy it on Blu-Ray. I've seen it probably 5 or 6 times and don't feel the need to again anytime soon.
Consistent and stunning visuals, good performances and a fun experience throughout. It's a good movie that flows well and was fun enough for me to want to watch the sequels, like everyone else..
Consistent and stunning visuals, good performances and a fun experience throughout. It's a good movie that flows well and was fun enough for me to want to watch the sequels, like everyone else..
NYR
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Did filming start for 2, 3 and 4 actually start in December as per Wikipedia, which links to this article?
http://www.crossmap.com/news/avatar...plot-of-sequel-a-character-resurrects-a-13535
http://www.crossmap.com/news/avatar...plot-of-sequel-a-character-resurrects-a-13535
Phoenician_Viking
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Dat Cameron quality control greatness.
While I agree that this whole "We fight highly militarised people with little more than animals and bows and we win!" was pretty stupid, I always thought the idea of "Ewa" was pretty well-established and explained in the film. The whole
Yes it was not a deus ex machina at all. Jake prays for help on the eve of battle. At that point the planet as a global neural network and the existence of Eywa was well established
Everyone remembers Avatar, but nobody remembers Delgo.
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/avatar-is-delgo
http://movieline.com/2009/08/20/the-7-eeriest-parallels-between-avatar-and-delgo/
http://youbentmywookie.com/entertai...blance-between-camerons-avatar-and-delgo-6945
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/avatar-is-delgo
http://movieline.com/2009/08/20/the-7-eeriest-parallels-between-avatar-and-delgo/
http://youbentmywookie.com/entertai...blance-between-camerons-avatar-and-delgo-6945
Zantetsuken
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All I remember is that bad ass Colonel.
It does seem weird that a film so incredibly successful has had zero lasting pop cultural impact or influence.
There are no memorable lines, gestures, musical cues. Even lesser stuff like Hunger Games has moments that everyone understands (the whistle, the one finger salute).
Avatar was completely a flash in the pan.
There are no memorable lines, gestures, musical cues. Even lesser stuff like Hunger Games has moments that everyone understands (the whistle, the one finger salute).
Avatar was completely a flash in the pan.
bengraven
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WETA is at least saying that the sequels are going to be the most ambitious thing they've ever done.
CassidyIzABeast
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Avatar 2 will release in 2019 at the earliest.
You're comparing the pop culture impact of a movie that is currently in theaters to a movie from 5 years ago?
Avatar has left the zeitgeist because it has had zero merchandise since the movie's release.
What do you think the lasting pop culture impact of Hunger Games will be 5 years after the last movie? Do you think people will still remember the whistle then?
cartoon_soldier
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It was a crap movie. Avatar 2 also week be crap but it will have amazing CGI again and people will overlook the shit story, acting at release.
For those in this thread who said that Avatar didn't change film making, think again.
The way the two new Planet of the Apes movie was filmed, along with Spielberg's Tin Tin movie, was done thanks to the advances in film making for Avatar.
The actors wear face cams that captures their emotions unlike anything before. But that's not all, the actors are in a sort of digital set that the director can then move a real representation of a camera through and shoot the film in a way that was never possible with previous CGi movies.
And I feel like every few months we get an Avatar thread, so the fact that that happens sort of indicates that it is still on many people's minds.
The way the two new Planet of the Apes movie was filmed, along with Spielberg's Tin Tin movie, was done thanks to the advances in film making for Avatar.
The actors wear face cams that captures their emotions unlike anything before. But that's not all, the actors are in a sort of digital set that the director can then move a real representation of a camera through and shoot the film in a way that was never possible with previous CGi movies.
And I feel like every few months we get an Avatar thread, so the fact that that happens sort of indicates that it is still on many people's minds.
It's only been "forgotten" because, unlike basically every other successful blockbuster of the past decade, it hasn't gotten a sequel. Yet. So it's obviously easier to remember something that's perpetually in the news/hype cycle as a franchise than something that's been dormant for a few years now.
I wonder what the last film was that actually could be compared to Avatar in terms of (lack of) long-lasting cultural impact vs. money it made. Because for a fair comparison, the "environment" each film is placed in should be roughly the same. That automatically disqualifies all series of films and films set within well-established universes they have far more than one single film to build their impact on.
So, what are we left with? That's not a rhetorical question, by the way I honestly don't know what a fair set of films comparable with Avatar in this regard would look like.
I also wonder about what's the cause and what's the effect here, e.g., when talking about the lack of merchandise (or all other stuff to keep Avatar in people's minds) surrounding the film. Was the film thought to be forgettable and thus no merchandise was produced, or was the lack of merchandise a cause of the lack of impact Avatar had?
Oh, and yes, I kind of like the film. Yes, the story is little to speak of and the dialogues not that noteworthy, but I like the universe the film is set in (the neural network moon I already mentioned, but everything else within that universe as well) and of course the visuals. In my opinion, it's still the most beautiful 3D film there is and the environment is one of the most beautiful in any film.
So, what are we left with? That's not a rhetorical question, by the way I honestly don't know what a fair set of films comparable with Avatar in this regard would look like.
I also wonder about what's the cause and what's the effect here, e.g., when talking about the lack of merchandise (or all other stuff to keep Avatar in people's minds) surrounding the film. Was the film thought to be forgettable and thus no merchandise was produced, or was the lack of merchandise a cause of the lack of impact Avatar had?
Oh, and yes, I kind of like the film. Yes, the story is little to speak of and the dialogues not that noteworthy, but I like the universe the film is set in (the neural network moon I already mentioned, but everything else within that universe as well) and of course the visuals. In my opinion, it's still the most beautiful 3D film there is and the environment is one of the most beautiful in any film.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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That is extremely coincidental to say the least...like, a tip beyond 'inspirational" incidental...
Toy Story? The Matrix? Jurassic Park? Frozen? I think they all qualify, especially the first three.
Sure none of them have made Avatar's BO but they were extremely successful financially within their fields, and it shouldn't need to be said what long-lasting cultural impact the first three have left. Frozen's requires more time but it's been a huge success both critically and financially (even if I personally question how well it'll weather the test of time).
First time i ever see this
Peter Jackson. He changes and makes his mind up on stuff til the last minute.
Jailer of Hope
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I'll laugh if Avatar Land opens first, but then again, Disney is known for taking a lot of time to build attractions in recent years.
SillyEskimo
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I enjoyed it in theaters but I do not think it holds up that well. I look forward to the sequels.
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