If Trump came around and convinced a couple moderates to vote with Democrats on Bernie's single-payer
He'd go down in history. Just tell him that and he'll do it.
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If Trump came around and convinced a couple moderates to vote with Democrats on Bernie's single-payer
He'd go down in history. Just tell him that and he'll do it.
sooperkool
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Boehner says exactly that on the Vice special about the Obama Presidency
No republican would want to give democrats a win like that. What would they campaign on.
To be a fly on the wall in Boehner's house these last couple days. He probably wakes up laughing and then laughs continuously until it bed time. I remember seeing an interview with him after where he said Republicans could never agree on healthcare​ (or come close) and didn't see that changing.
Yep, but I think it's also true that there are plenty of democrats who wouldn't want to give Trump a win like that.
Not saying both sides are equal, because a huge portion of the republican party are literally cartoon villains at this point, but Washington is generally a mess. Our government is paralyzed. Both sides posture, and make grand political gestures, and try to make the other side look bad in hopes of gaining a huge majority at some point in the distant future so they can finally get around to actually governing.
Plus everybody is up to their elbows in corporate bribe money. And the corporations don't want any kind of change that might hurt their bottom line.
The whole reason Obamacare needs fixing is because the democratic party found themselves in the same mess when they tried to fix healthcare, and all they could manage to pass was a deeply flawed half-measure. Would they do any better if they gained power (house, senate, presidency) again? I don't know.
"We got rid of Obamacare by putting in place Universal Heath Care. Mission accomplished!"
I would love to live in that world, but they've spent how long talking about UHC is the devil and will kill your grandmas. They are no strangers to hypocrisy, but I don't see them doing it. Also Trump is an idiot with no real beliefs or goals. I doubt Bannon wants Universal Healthcare so....
Probably not. They would bungle it on purpose and blame something. I want to live in a world where we all leap at the chance for universal healthcare no matter who its from, but I don't think we do.
I like to browse /r/the_donald every now and then 'cause I'm strangely fascinated by the cult-like behavior over there.
This whole debacle has really messed with their morale. Pretty much all of them had managed to convince themselves that Trump wasn't *actually* in favor of the AHCA and that it was some genius 3D chess move to fuck over Paul Ryan. They were among the loudest to cheer when it got pulled. Trump's recent public statements, however, have made it pretty clear to them that he was, in fact, in favor of the bill. They have no idea how to react and are scrambling to get behind a narrative that makes sense and doesn't make them or their dear leader look bad. Trump's publicly attacking the Freedom Caucus and they have no clue what to think.
I've been having some fun fucking with them. I try to find the most reasonable comments that are even remotely critical of Trump or skeptical of whether this was a genius 3D chess move and I accuse them of being concern trolls. That does a surprisingly good job of encouraging others to contribute their own criticisms of Trump, and makes them very self-aware of how cult-like and ridiculous the most fanatical elements of their community are.
This whole debacle has really messed with their morale. Pretty much all of them had managed to convince themselves that Trump wasn't *actually* in favor of the AHCA and that it was some genius 3D chess move to fuck over Paul Ryan. They were among the loudest to cheer when it got pulled. Trump's recent public statements, however, have made it pretty clear to them that he was, in fact, in favor of the bill. They have no idea how to react and are scrambling to get behind a narrative that makes sense and doesn't make them or their dear leader look bad. Trump's publicly attacking the Freedom Caucus and they have no clue what to think.
I've been having some fun fucking with them. I try to find the most reasonable comments that are even remotely critical of Trump or skeptical of whether this was a genius 3D chess move and I accuse them of being concern trolls. That does a surprisingly good job of encouraging others to contribute their own criticisms of Trump, and makes them very self-aware of how cult-like and ridiculous the most fanatical elements of their community are.
No.
If you want someone to follow Trump around, this i what they need to be carrying...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QosyPyUTag
BrokenIcarus
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Haha, got a link?
The Maverick
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This is actually a pretty good troll. Also crazy that if republicans had common sense on healthcare, they'd approach Reagan levels of domination. I'd say good thing they don't have sense...but it's not really a good thing.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
So it's not real? Because it really needs to be real.
fredrancour
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the free market worship is the end-goal of having control for a large part of the party. going socialist would defeat the point for many of them.
Fenderputty
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Yes, but keep in mind, the bill was so bad that a full repeal without a replacement would have resulted in more people insured than had the bill been passed as a repeal and replace option. That's how bad this bill was.
It was doomed to fail no matter what. Republicans only move was to try to shore up the existing law, but that was too moderate for the Freedom Caucus. If the Freedom Caucus got their way, moderate republicans would have killed the bill. And this is just in the House.
ShadowSwordmaster
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That's good. That's damn good.
NullPointer
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Niiiiiiiice
TheLaughingStock
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Paul Ryan drafted a bill too far removed from what voters actually wanted...just like Obamacare: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-doesnt-have-a-mandate-for-paul-ryans-agenda/
Dead Prince
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/846543183223963649
actually some of the stuff is gold right now lmao.
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The Autumn Wind
The Onion is always so on point, haha
Fragamemnon
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can't happen due to the unspeakably awful Hastert rule
djplaeskool
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RPGCrazied
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Just saw on CNN that Trump plans on going to healthcare again, calling it an easy fix.
Hope it fails again. This guy is such a tool.
Hope it fails again. This guy is such a tool.
Earthstrike
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So why does he think it will work this time?
Laevateinn
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This time he'll say mean things on twitter.
RPGCrazied
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I guess he thinks democrats will come flocking to him. But they won't vote for that last bill that was put forward.
Just read up about it, Jesus Christ, that's a great way to build partisanship. Asshole.
GoldenEye 007
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Apparently it isn't really binding and is more tradition.
But yeah, someone like Ryan would never violate it.
His ego has been hurt and he wants to throw a fit about it.
Pathfinder
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He tried that last time. He tried to throw the Freedom Caucus under the bus by saying they support Planned Parenthood.
Cesare Borgia
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Rumors that republicans plan on trying again, with presumably the same bill
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/29/repu...ry-another-vote-on-obamacare-replacement.html
Sounds more like moderate republicans are panicking at the prospect of going home without addressing healthcare. Then there's the issue of needing to shitcan Medicaid in order to help pay for comprehensive tax reform. It's a mess.
Spoiler alert: it'll fail again. They either try a moderate bill that fails the House again due to the FC, or they try a far right bill that maybe passes the House before dying in the senate.
Ryan looks weak.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/29/repu...ry-another-vote-on-obamacare-replacement.html
Sounds more like moderate republicans are panicking at the prospect of going home without addressing healthcare. Then there's the issue of needing to shitcan Medicaid in order to help pay for comprehensive tax reform. It's a mess.
Spoiler alert: it'll fail again. They either try a moderate bill that fails the House again due to the FC, or they try a far right bill that maybe passes the House before dying in the senate.
Ryan looks weak.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/paul-ryan-democrats-health-care_us_58dc6096e4b08194e3b73231?my&
Paul Ryan doesn't want to work with Dem....Uh you sure you are Speaker of The House?
Paul Ryan doesn't want to work with Dem....Uh you sure you are Speaker of The House?
Leona Lewis
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Not a chance they try this anytime soon. Not with a bill that, at 17% approval, is less popular than gonorrhea.
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