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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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small time recruits is a 3 cost card, so let's say this effect is worth ~2 mana, the body is about 3.5 mana. The math on it is ok, I feel if you could get spells from it too, it could be much more stronger.
You could build a deck with tracking that always finds certain cards, it could be significant. Think C'Thun/N'Zoth hunter and something like that with specific 'I win card'.
That would have made hunter much more interesting imo.
You could build a deck with tracking that always finds certain cards, it could be significant. Think C'Thun/N'Zoth hunter and something like that with specific 'I win card'.
That would have made hunter much more interesting imo.
Yeah being able to get 1 mana spells would be awesome. No question the card would be good with that. As it stands the card seems middlingly useful. It's probably OP AF in arena though. Some people gonna get rolled by this in arena.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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small time recruits is such a tempo killer. By the time you play your 1 drops, 1 aoe spell is enough to clear them all.
Tell me about it.
It's the only reason I'm here.
BigJonsson
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thepotatoman
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Small time recruits is also overpriced.
Giving up significant tempo to gain 1 drops just doesn't make much sense. It's not like you're going to extend the game very long with 2 or 3 additional one drops in hand.
Maybe if there's a reason you want a large number of cards in hand, like for smugglers run or twilight drake, or want to fetch a particular one drop for a particular purpose. But never to just restock your hand.
I do like their examples have to be alley cat, basically turning it into a 7 mana 3/5 onyxia, or runic egg turning it into a 7 mana 3/5 eventually draw 2. It's about the best they could do.
Crap value, crap tempo, what's the point?
Giving up significant tempo to gain 1 drops just doesn't make much sense. It's not like you're going to extend the game very long with 2 or 3 additional one drops in hand.
Maybe if there's a reason you want a large number of cards in hand, like for smugglers run or twilight drake, or want to fetch a particular one drop for a particular purpose. But never to just restock your hand.
I do like their examples have to be alley cat, basically turning it into a 7 mana 3/5 onyxia, or runic egg turning it into a 7 mana 3/5 eventually draw 2. It's about the best they could do.
Crap value, crap tempo, what's the point?
so what this card allows is for you to put four 1 drops in your deck for early game consistency, then get the rest out of the way when you need to draw highmanes and stuff
once the 1 drops are in your hand, you drop them as needed as beast synergy activators
if you're feeling super greedy you can even toss a starving buzzard into the deck for more late game draw via alleycat or something, and you're potentially drawing 4 extra cards between turns 5 and 6.
once the 1 drops are in your hand, you drop them as needed as beast synergy activators
if you're feeling super greedy you can even toss a starving buzzard into the deck for more late game draw via alleycat or something, and you're potentially drawing 4 extra cards between turns 5 and 6.
Hunter quest is probably going to be something like "summon twenty 1-health beasts" for synergy with the billion ways hunter has to create beast tokens.
Edit: Then maybe once you summon enough beasts you get a "stampede" card which summons a bunch of beasts with charge
Edit: Then maybe once you summon enough beasts you get a "stampede" card which summons a bunch of beasts with charge
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Just lost to purify priest at rank 5, by that I mean I lost to renounce warlock getting paletress, inspiring into Icehowl and then purifying it.
It's my fault really could have gotten rid of it much earlier but it was so inconspicuous.
It's my fault really could have gotten rid of it much earlier but it was so inconspicuous.
Gonna post this again and hopefully save more fellow Canucks some dinero:
Get your expansion preorder in on an Android tablet or phone and pay $49 CDN instead of $69 CDN via Apple or PC platforms. Big savings.
I would imagine the same principle applies to buying other pack denominations too, but haven't compared prices there.
Get your expansion preorder in on an Android tablet or phone and pay $49 CDN instead of $69 CDN via Apple or PC platforms. Big savings.
I would imagine the same principle applies to buying other pack denominations too, but haven't compared prices there.
sounds like rogue quest is getting some support https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthston...donais_says_to_not_even_try_and_evaluate_the/
switch to hold.
switch to hold.
may be I'm wrong but the amazon coins deal is pretty sweet too, I got to order the expansion for about $37 USD with the 500 coin bonus they are giving out for buying the preorder.
ooh! may be we are judging it harshly, we have to see the rest of the cards.. or may be it is a patches/finja case where we aren't really seeing how it works out with the tools we have
Mobius and pet octopus
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Tolvir warden seems okay. Not great. I think it has potential.
You just ignored the part where I said a top player had a 40% higher chance to win over another legend player. Or are suddenly legendary players inexperienced? No, you're just putting a spin that suits you.
Please follow the conversation before, if you ever, jump into one.
You just ignored the part where I said a top player had a 40% higher chance to win over another legend player. Or are suddenly legendary players inexperienced? No, you're just putting a spin that suits you.
Please follow the conversation before, if you ever, jump into one.
BananasWithGuns
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Tol'vir Warden doesn't seem all that great to me. The stats are poor and it's difficult for 1 drops to have a major impact at that point in the game. It does thin your deck though so, while I think the cost is too high, I could maybe see Hunter running 1 copy as a deck thinner if they run 4+ 1 drops.
The Grimy Goon mechanic in Hunter isn't like the mechanic in Paladin, where having more cards in your hand is better. If anything this is anti-synergy with handbuff in Hunter, because you would be less likely to buff a Rat Pack or Tundra Rhino if you have beasts like Alley Cat or Fiery Bat in your hand.
Mobius and pet octopus
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There is a solid chance it helps with the quest and looks a lot better after that. Hard to judge til we know the rest of their cards. So far it just seems like an azure drake for them that can only draw 1 drops, which in a way isn't bad at all.
Hunter is actually one of the only classes with a lot of early class minions including 1 mana after 7.1. That's the only reason it isn't dumpster in arena - it can go aggro. With a new 1 drop and adding offering bonus in Un'goro I could definitely see the argument for running Tolvir Warden.
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oh wow... I like this one, really good one
Familienoberhauptvogel
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If Power and Health were flipped I'd love this.
Yeah there's just too many pings.
They are really pushing actual freeze mage now, aren't they?
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BananasWithGuns
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Not sure how to evaluate that card. It's probably a little better for activating your elemental synergies in the late game but freeze effects are mostly irrelevant in constructed.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think freeze effects are actually quite strong in constructed. However the only neutral was frost elemental and that is a pretty big investment for that effect. I'm not sure if this is good enough, but I think the text is strong and it is also an elemental so it could find a place easily I think.
This could be a strong minion in a burn mage perhaps if ice lance wasn't being rotated. I don't think it makes shatter worth running because I think there are better freeze effects for mage. Maybe elemental mage.
This could be a strong minion in a burn mage perhaps if ice lance wasn't being rotated. I don't think it makes shatter worth running because I think there are better freeze effects for mage. Maybe elemental mage.
Glacial Shard seems really bad to me. If you go first, the battlecry is irrelevant. If you go second, it gets pinged. In the late game it's barely any better than Freezing Potion. All it does it make bad cards like Shatter or Cryomancer better. And you don't play bad cards to make other bad cards better.
Sorry brosky
Glaciar Shard + Shatter combo kinda sounds good to be honest. (Though i dont play Mage so i dunno)
I doubt anybody has delusions this gets played outside of an elemental deck. The question is how good those will end up being.
This seems like a potentially good activator.
Karsticles
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I didn't ignore it at all. The counterpoint is actually directly in the interview:
A player in legend isn't meaningful. Players who consistently reach legend are just those with a lot of spare time on their hands. Anyone can hit legend with a very basic understanding of the game and the right meta deck. You will encounter good matchups at the appropriate rate and eventually get there. It's just a mindless grind with rewards to keep you on the RNG treadmill.
I don't know where you're getting the 40% from:
If two players are of equal skill, a 50% win/loss rate is to be expected. That the best players in the world can't even crack 70% winrates against people who just have a ton of spare time is horrendous. If you are the best player in the world, you have about a 10% greater chance than any other random legendary player at getting a win. LOL You can't overstate how much that speaks against the state of the game.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Setting aside your "counterpoint", which doesn't actually address what I said. If you have a 40% higher chance than your opponent to win a game as a result of being a better play, that is not the result of the game not having skill.
Trying to change the topic as to whether it is hard to easy to hit legend is just another misleading misdirection.
Of course you don't know where I got 40% from because you didn't read the article nor actually follow what I said. You take a statement out of context and then argue against it.
Freeze effects are actually really strong, even freezing potion is a strong card for 0. It's like a cheaper alternate sap effect. Just because there isn't a deck for it, doesn't mean it's a bad card. Actually freezing potion is played in aggro mage right now, vlps list. It's so powerful with antonidas too, stall their board, get fireballs.
With ice lance gone, the effect becomes a lot weaker, it's probably why they're printing them now. Not every class can ping, in a tempo deck, you could be happy if your opponent uses hero power instead of playing stuff.
Edit: Actually this is one of the cards you do want to bounce back in rogue. You can stall big time with this and that's what you want.
Hunter card earlier can draw these, freeze board and push face damage instead and not worry about getting traded into. I'd say it's better than fiery bat.
I like the card the more I think about it.
With ice lance gone, the effect becomes a lot weaker, it's probably why they're printing them now. Not every class can ping, in a tempo deck, you could be happy if your opponent uses hero power instead of playing stuff.
Edit: Actually this is one of the cards you do want to bounce back in rogue. You can stall big time with this and that's what you want.
Hunter card earlier can draw these, freeze board and push face damage instead and not worry about getting traded into. I'd say it's better than fiery bat.
I like the card the more I think about it.
This is another way to give Freeze Mage a 1 mana spell that does no damage and enables them to stall better. Without Ice Lance I don't think this is going to matter that much though. The card is interesting in an academic sense, but probably not good enough to play in constructed. You definitely don't want to play this T1 against most classes so it's usefulness in aggro is limited. Meh card at best.
First week of new expansion is the best part of HS.
MSOG is not included because fuck day 1 pirates.
Not an over powered 1 drop but it's going to make Kripp super salty in Arena.
From PCGamer
Is there any card that won't make Kripp super salty in Arena?
No. It is mathmatically impossible. Kripp will elevate salt levels over ANYTHING.
From PCGamer
That is really damn good.
He doesn't get salty over Tinyfin...
Except when he top decks it late in the game while his opponent top decks a Kraken.
Lone_Prodigy
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Had a Paladin quest so I made a handbuff deck to mess around with. First game I queue into a mirror match. It was so bizarre: we basically played chicken with our Grimestreet Enforcers while dropping bigger and bigger minions. There was an 8/12 Dirty Rat, a 9/8 Ooze, etc.
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