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[TCRS]

Should be titled "But my emails"

but that would have been funny and not boring-safe like everything about her.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Clinton lost because people wanted to be selfish, racist, hating asshats. It's no rocket science.

Bingo.

but that would have been funny and not boring-safe like everything about her.

Nothing wrong with boring-safe. It would have been progress, albeit slow and not nearly fast enough for certain people but safe-boring progress. Instead we get to erase eight years, go back further and try to recover.

 

[Nipo]

Oh, a disillusioned democrat who didn't get his Bernie? Good luck with the protest vote for the rest of time, I'm sure it is gonna work out well. DSA are pussies, they are just a bunch of corporate shills. I joined the CPUSA, I cannot support shills anymore.

I voted for Clinton in the general (in DC so it didn't help much though) I did it primarily because i knew not doing it and people would say I helped Trump win. Unfortunately hoping people will vote for a candidate they don't like instead of running one they do isn't a winning strategy.

I looked at CPUSA but their unwillingness to work with local ABAs was a huge turn off. They do a a ton of good in our city and I can't support a party that refuses to collaborate with them.

 

[Magwik]

but that would have been funny and not boring-safe like everything about her.

Let's go ask the LGBTQ community if they are okay with a "safe" candidate, or how about minorites? They sure seem to hate feeling safe.
Oh no she plans to make the lives of people continue to be better and further Obama's goals. So boring! Why can't we tear down the establishment instead just because I care about myself more than anyone else?

 

[TurnipFritters]

Biden (obviously), Gore, Warren, Frankin, possibly Booker, Iger, Likely GIllibrand.

Would any of them of run had clinton not decided to? guess we'll never know.

Lolling at Gore and Warren. And hell, lolling at someone identifying as a Democratic Socialist suggesting Booker or Biden.

 

[Eidan]

No because the democrats that could have won a competitive primary and general against Trump wouldn't want to run against her when it was "her turn".

Edit: I should say I am grateful Clinton's run made me take the step of joining the DSA. It made me realize that the DNC is no longer a party i can financially support.

The DNC is not the Democratic Party.

 

[Hindl]

No because the democrats that could have won a competitive primary and general against Trump wouldn't want to run against her when it was "her turn".

Edit: I should say I am grateful Clinton's run made me take the step of joining the DSA. It made me realize that the DNC is no longer a party i can financially support.

Change comes from within. That's the issue all the disaffected liberals don't get. Sitting out and screaming corruption isn't going to make the DNC pay attention to you. They'll just ignore you. If you want the DNC to be better, join it and make it better. Because if young liberals don't join it it won't change

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Lolling at Gore and Warren. And hell, lolling at someone identifying as a Democratic Socialist suggesting Booker or Biden.

It's really sad the state of affairs of civics education and basic understanding of how politics works in the US.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I voted for Clinton in the general (in DC so it didn't help much though) I did it primarily because i knew not doing it and people would say I helped Trump win. Unfortunately hoping people will vote for a candidate they don't like instead of running one they do isn't a winning strategy.

We ran one, he lost.

I looked at CPUSA but their unwillingness to work with local ABAs was a huge turn off. They do a a ton of good in our city and I can't support a party that refuses to collaborate with them.

It was satire, I'm sure you know, good luck with the protest vote. Hopefully you end up making the right decision in general elections.

Change comes from within. That's the issue all the disaffected liberals don't get. Sitting out and screaming corruption isn't going to make the DNC pay attention to you. They'll just ignore you. If you want the DNC to be better, join it and make it better. Because if young liberals don't join it it won't change

I don't know I think the best solution is always to quit and leave. It bothers me that Texas is Red, I'm going to a Blue state! We should just cede the entire country save California and New York.

 

[TCRS]

Nothing wrong with boring-safe. It would have been progress, albeit slow and not nearly fast enough for certain people but safe-boring progress. Instead we get to erase eight years, go back further and try to recover.

Let's go ask the LGBTQ community if they are okay with a "safe" candidate, or how about minorites? They sure seem to hate feeling safe.
Oh no she plans to make the lives of people continue to be better and further Obama's goals. So boring! Why can't we tear down the establishment instead just because I care about myself more than anyone else?

Calm your panties, I'm talking about her personailty. Her she could have shown a little of it with a tongue in cheek title but nah she went again with boring and safe.

 

[PatThePassive]

Like, Obama is partially to blame here as well, as she was clearly his chosen successor years in advance and he helped clear the deck for her.

The problem w/ avoiding that specific situation going forward is that the DNC head serves at the pleasure of the president. It's possible we may want to alter that in some capacity.

Didn't Obama pull a JFK on Hillary in 08, he stepped in out of the blue a young politician going against the "next" democratic candidate, so saying he chose her years in advance when she was the favorite before the upset doesn't sound right.

There's always a favorite candidate chosen but its not impossible to beat that favorite I don't see a need to alter anything, hell it seems to produce better candidates.

Obama is not to blame for the party picking the candidate and no one was good enough to beat her in the upset like he did.

 

[Suikoguy]

Clinton lost because people wanted to be selfish, racist, hating asshats. It's no rocket science.

I think another way of looking at it:
People voted on social issues, since the economy was improving and in 'ok' shape.

Economic anxiety became a cover for the real reasons people voted for Trump. The data even supports the theory.


The real danger is the ramifications of the upcoming transition to a human-less workforce (aka automation).

 

[Jenov]

Same reasons why other candidates never win elections in North Korea.

omg, i just about fell out of my chair with how fucking absurd this post is, lololol

 

[Nipo]

We ran one, he lost.

It was satire, I'm sure you know, good luck with the protest vote. Hopefully you end up making the right decision in general elections.

I don't know I think the best solution is always to quit and leave. It bothers me that Texas is Red, I'm going to a Blue state! We should just cede the entire country save California and New York.

I'm curious. We surely disagree on thousands of things, but do you think Clinton was really the best possible candidate Dems could have run in 2016? That there is no one in the DNC that could have beaten Trump?

 

[Tregard]

The cover is pretty classy

 

[Zyae]

Like, Obama is partially to blame here as well, as she was clearly his chosen successor years in advance and he helped clear the deck for her.

The problem w/ avoiding that specific situation going forward is that the DNC head serves at the pleasure of the president. It's possible we may want to alter that in some capacity.

Lol you love blaming Obama for last years election.

 

[kirblar]

Lol you love blaming Obama for last years election.

I also blame Hillary, Bernie, Russia, racist white people and the liberal/left's vast overestimation of human nature!

 

[PatThePassive]

Lol you love blaming Obama for last years election.

He was getting a lot of blame right after the election I thought it had died down but it still shows up in these threads

 

[studyguy]

Regardless of what happened I've got a feeling she wouldn't be brawling with her AG or having her Coms Director calling people cocksuckers 6mo in. Too dull for that dumpster fire.

 

[kirblar]

He was getting a lot of blame right after the election I thought it had died down but it still shows up in these threads

The closer the election, the more marginal the loss, and the more things that ultimately played into it.

Given that this was a razor thin loss, that means a massive amount of things could have flipped it the other direction.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I'm curious. We surely disagree on thousands of things, but do you think Clinton was really the best possible candidate Dems could have run in 2016? That there is no one in the DNC that could have beaten Trump?

Obama third term, Biden if his son had not died. Save the impossibilities, yes, she was the best candidate we could have ran. She should have ran a better campaign, she should have focused more on the rust belt, and she shouldn't have taken for granted the immense stupidity and selfishness of the electorate.

I'll pose you a different question that is related, you got the wet dream you are hoping for in the Republican party. They had the democratic primary that you are wanting and they got Trump, who in their own party could have beaten him? Cause they nearly all ran and couldn't.

I really don't think anyone else could have beaten Trump in 2016 save for Clinton, she was the best chance but there were many failures.

I mean you can point to her email scandal, and some flip-flops. Okay. The motherfucker said on a hot mic "grab em by the pussy, and they let you". It isn't the most absurd points of his campaign.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

I think it says a lot when people are talking, given the options in the general, about someone being "boring or "not exciting enough," rather than bring up the realities and differences of the candidates when it comes to basic humanity and human decency.

Says a whole lot they can be concerned about "excitement" rather than real human issues we were actually faced with.

 

[pigeon]

but that would have been funny and not boring-safe like everything about her.

It must be nice to be so privileged that you think safety is boring.

 

[Fercho]

The book should be dedicated to Sanders with something like " Sorry dude , you should be the nominee but you know, us dems..."

The book will be interesting to say the least. But i wonder how truthful or open she will be. I will buy the book, but i will be laying if i say that i don't feel some sort of antipathy towards her at this point.

 

[Nipo]

Obama third term, Biden if his son had not died. Save the impossibilities, yes, she was the best candidate we could have ran. She should have ran a better campaign, she should have focused more on the rust belt, and she shouldn't have taken for granted the immense stupidity and selfishness of the electorate.

I'll pose you a different question that is related, you got the wet dream you are hoping for in the Republican party. They had the democratic primary that you are wanting and they got Trump, who in their own party could have beaten him? Cause they nearly all ran and couldn't.

I really don't think anyone else could have beaten Trump in 2016 save for Clinton, she was the best chance but there were many failures.

I think trump is the perfect representation of what the Republican party has become. I do think a number of people could have beat him in a 1 on 1 primary (Cruz, Ryan, maybe even Romney) but his die hard 34% support made it so he was almost unbeatable in a 12 person primary when so many people refused to drop out early.

Trump was, an still is, horribly unpopular. He won because the GOP spent 20 years poisoning public opinion of Hilary so she was almost as unpopular as he was.

 

[Nerdkiller]

He's right. She's not good at giving speeches.

 

[ItIsOkBro]

Obama third term, Biden if his son had not died. Save the impossibilities, yes, she was the best candidate we could have ran. She should have ran a better campaign, she should have focused more on the rust belt, and she shouldn't have taken for granted the immense stupidity and selfishness of the electorate.

I'll pose you a different question that is related, you got the wet dream you are hoping for in the Republican party. They had the democratic primary that you are wanting and they got Trump, who in their own party could have beaten him? Cause they nearly all ran and couldn't.

I really don't think anyone else could have beaten Trump in 2016 save for Clinton, she was the best chance but there were many failures.

I mean you can point to her email scandal, and some flip-flops. Okay. The motherfucker said on a hot mic "grab em by the pussy, and they let you". It isn't the most absurd points of his campaign.

i probably could have beaten trump in the general

but i could not have beaten hillary in the primary

 

[IceBringer]

The book should be dedicated to Sanders with something like " Sorry dude , you should be the nominee but you know, us dems..."

Why should he have been the nominee? You do know Bernie lost, right?

 

[Magwik]

The book should be dedicated to Sanders with something like " Sorry dude , you should be the nominee but you know, us dems..."

Can I get some fries with that salt?

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

It must be nice to be so privileged that you think safety is boring.

Helps that he can point and laugh from across the Atlantic

 

[bunbun777]

I wonder if she says not going on Howard Stern was a mistake?

 

[Fercho]

Why should he have been the nominee? You do know Bernie lost, right?

Can I get some fries with that salt?

Yeah, in my view Sanders was an stronger contender against Trump than Clinton, even to this day he has been very outspoken against this administration sharing some light on how he would be as president.

Honest Question, what are the things that make Sanders so bad on the eyes of some americans?

 

[Zyae]

I also blame Hillary, Bernie, Russia, racist white people and the liberal/left's vast overestimation of human nature!

do you blame Hillary? Because that seems like the only person you do not blame.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I think trump is the perfect representation of what the Republican party has become. I do think a number of people could have beat him in a 1 on 1 primary (Cruz, Ryan, maybe even Romney) but his die hard 34% support made it so he was almost unbeatable in a 12 person primary when so many people refused to drop out early.

Trump was, an still is, horribly unpopular. He won because the GOP spent 20 years poisoning public opinion of Hilary so she was almost as unpopular as he was.

Nah.

I mean look at the early primaries, starting with the 2nd in New Hampshire. Trump was pulling in 35%, that is insanity...especially when you consider the field was still like seven deep. Once the field thinned to like four or five candidates he was pulling in north of 40%. Remember, this was also with the entirety of the RNC and everyone in the establishment shitting on him...at the same time.

do you blame Hillary? Because that seems like the only person you do not blame.

Is this one of those things where people demand Hillary take responsibility and completely miss over the part where she does? Cause he said, I also blame...first up Hillary.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

Why should he have been the nominee? You do know Bernie lost, right?

You do know he didn't lose fair and square, right?

 

[Magwik]

Yeah, in my view Sanders was an stronger contender against Trump than Clinton, even to this day he has been very outspoken against this administration sharing some light on how he would be as president.

Honest Question, what are the things that make Sanders so bad on the eyes of some americans?

Well for starters his issues spoke mostly to white college students, which is why he lost the primaries.

 

[Servbot #42]

Honestly i feel this book is just a way for Hillary to change the narrative that she blew it, i expect most of the blame to be assigned to Comey and the Russians while she overlooks most of her failings as a candidate during the campaign, hopefully i will be pleasantly surprised when the book is released. . Also i really hope this book isn't a stepping stone for a potential 2020 run...that would be insane.

 

[Zyae]

Nah.

I mean look at the early primaries, starting with the 2nd in New Hampshire. Trump was pulling in 35%, that is insanity...especially when you consider the field was still like seven deep. Once the field thinned to like four or five candidates he was pulling in north of 40%. Remember, this was also with the entirety of the RNC and everyone in the establishment shitting on him...at the same time.



Is this one of those things where people demand Hillary take responsibility and completely miss over the part where she does? Cause he said, I also blame...first up Hillary.

Im talking to a poster on this forum, not Hillary Clinton lol.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

You do know he didn't lose fair and square, right?

Go on, I beg you to provide the receipts.

Im talking to a poster on this forum, not Hillary Clinton lol.

and completely miss over the part where she does...

 

[IceBringer]

You do know he didn't lose fair and square, right?

Lol go on

 

[pigeon]

Nah.

I mean look at the early primaries, starting with the 2nd in New Hampshire. Trump was pulling in 35%, that is insanity...especially when you consider the field was still like seven deep. Once the field thinned to like four or five candidates he was pulling in north of 40%. Remember, this was also with the entirety of the RNC and everyone in the establishment shitting on him...at the same time.

And yet they all endorsed him and continue to condone his literally flagrant constitutional violations while in office.

It's Trump's party now. Every Republican has aided and abetted him.

 

[norm9]

this is what happens when everybody gets a participation trophy.

 

[Fercho]

Well for starters his issues spoke mostly to white college students, which is why he lost the primaries.

So, is he a racist?

 

[pigeon]

So, is he a racist?

Aren't we all ultimately products of and members of a society steeped in institutional racism?

 

[SerAardvark]

944 posts regurgitating the same arguments as we revisit the Democratic primaries for the millionth time, all because Hillary Clinton is writing a damn book.

 

[PatThePassive]

The closer the election, the more marginal the loss, and the more things that ultimately played into it.

Given that this was a razor thin loss, that means a massive amount of things could have flipped it the other direction.

I can see the reason why people brought him up but its still a stupid to blame him for the loss he is not one of those things that could have flipped the other direction, he did all he was supposed to do.

So lets stop bringing him up as a excuse.

Aren't we all ultimately products of and members of a society steeped in institutional racism?

So the real racists was the friends we made along the way?
joking but I see your point

 

[Magwik]

So, is he a racist?

No?

 

[Snarky(HEART)]

The one thing I still don't really get is how come nobody is saying Bernie needs to shut up and go hide in the woods. Dude lost to "SHILLARY" who "COULDNT EVEN BEAT TRUMP".

By the fooll proof logic of every Hillary hater in here that makes Bernie worse than Hillary

 

[shamanick]

944 posts regurgitating the same arguments as we revisit the Democratic primaries for the millionth time, all because Hillary Clinton is writing a damn book.

Man it sucks to be forced to read threads

Well for starters his issues spoke mostly to white college students, which is why he lost the primaries.

That's even more facile than saying Hillary won the primary because she spoke mostly to Wall Street

 

[kitsunelaine]

The one thing I still don't really get is how come nobody is saying Bernie needs to shut up and go hide in the woods. Dude lost to "SHILLARY" who "COULDNT EVEN BEAT TRUMP".

By the fooll proof logic of every Hillary hater in here that makes Bernie worse than Hillary

It's because of the sexism that they conveniently deny exists.