I love all of the side characters, there so "relaxed" and "normal" in an odd sense.I loved Nil.
I also love Vanesha batter with Utik right before the last battle. She's SO into him and he's so unconfortable haha
I love all of the side characters, there so "relaxed" and "normal" in an odd sense.I loved Nil.
I also love Vanesha batter with Utik right before the last battle. She's SO into him and he's so unconfortable haha
No chance in hell H2 doesn't have Aloy at the helm. I don't trust Sylens though... I think he'll be the antagonist next time.
Didn't Sylens basically say that to Aloy. She says she doesn't trust him, and he says something like they have mutual beneficial relationship. He wants something and is using Aloy to get it. And she is using his knowledge. I think he got what he wanted at the end and will be the villain in the next one.
I was very surprised how much emotion this simple interaction brought out in me so early in the game. We hardly knew her yet, yet the scene was so well put together in all regards that I felt a deep pang of sadness.Some details that impressed me a lot during the story:
- At the beginning when child Aloy fell on the cave and watches the hologram of that guy greeting his son on his birthday. It was surprising the reaction of Aloy to me because you could felt how much she needed love and the attention of others besides Rost, the way she replays the whole thing was pretty touching and necessary to convey emotion
Since Gaia hasn't been brought back online and they spent a significant amount of time on the dynamics between sylens and aloy, I think another horizon starring aloy is a no brainer. Would be surprised to see a third one, but who knows.
Ted was so vain that he modeled the swarm's AI on himself, wanted to know that even after he was long dead the "peacekeeper" robots would be taking their orders from his image, immortalizing himself.
Ted had a fucked up sense of "I know what's right for humans, and I've already set it in motion", AI Ted will have the same, the Robot Plague wasn't just killing people, it was digitizing them.. "The best way to save people is to remove them from their frail bodies."
Aloy naturally goes to fight the new threat, is confronted by an aged rebuild of Elisabet Sobeck, claiming to not only be her in body, but also mind. Internal conflict.
Humanoid robots make an appearance, Aloy conflicted as to whether they're actual people or just machines. Horizon had a lot of pretty fucked up stuff under the surface, time to see it directly. Androids "killing" Humans, later in the story have several androids have freak outs about what they're doing, turning on other Androids, killing themselves, begging Aloy to stop them, etc.
That's the type of setting/tone I want to see in a sequel, don't Metroid Aloy, losing her weapons/tools..Just increase the arsenal into some more hi-tech stuff. Add in better Hacking/Machine control (Fuck you to those challenges that say I can hack a Thunderjaw and let it shoot the Ravagers, can't count on them doing anything at all other than charge and melee)..Expand the map, include the entire original playing area, with changes from the final battle/new stuff being built, add-on another 1.5-2x from the edges..Bring back some NPCs to give an update on how their life went after the 1st game.
So I have 5 logs from Elisabet that are still "under repair".... does anyone know how long they will take? I remember in game Sylens said "days, weeks, months, years" or something along those lines. A few of them already finished, a couple before the story finished and then one more shortly after IIRC
So I have 5 logs from Elisabet that are still "under repair".... does anyone know how long they will take? I remember in game Sylens said "days, weeks, months, years" or something along those lines. A few of them already finished, a couple before the story finished and then one more shortly after IIRC
The trailers made it seem like youd fight one of the giant swarm bots like the one that died on the mountain, did that get cut
Also how was elisabits body at the family ranch? I thought she died outside of that mountain facility
Ok so I just got to the part where you exit mother and alloy goes crazy on her old tribe and then it clicked. This game just blew my mind about what the meta context of it all is about.
Basically this is an analogy for our current time. Technology brings us closer to the truth, the reality is were humans, there are no gods and that we are our own worst enemies. We kill each other and destroy the planet by using up its resources and making things that are destructive. Alloy, the main character, is more privy to information (the internet, reading, younger generation) while the majority of people are primitive and listen to tales passed to them from before (the bible, the Torah etc) these people are uninformed and because of that they base their beliefs on fantasy created by people that had no access to science, information and technology. The main character, once privy to this information realizes how naive and flawed her peoples viewpoints are. She see terrible it is that they treat others who are different, who don't fit their beliefs are. These are people who deemed her to be an outsider (gay, black , whatever) that don't fit their restrictive religions viewpoints. This game is like a hardcore pro science, atheist game that is trying to show how destructive religions are.
So there was a signal which awoke hades, could it be coming from the lost spaceship with the alpha version of Appolo ?
Have you noticed how the main cast in medieval movies have all sets of teeth, nice and white? Likely not realistic but.. There's some adjustments in storytelling & presentation for an audience. A person missing three teeth, remaining yellow, but was otherwise in good health would probably be quite attractive back in those days but likely not for modern society ergo adaption.So, humanity advance to feudalism in short period thanks to language?
Who teach first batch of new human English anyway, shouldn't new human develop some kind of AI accent? They should talk like Siri or something similar to Samina with that short Apollo video? It's weird that they all speak proper American English when they raise by talking AI.
Oversight by GG?
Yeah, they lost the signal for Apollo right? I wonder if some alien entity found it and discovered what was going on and intervened.
Please don't ever introduce aliens for Horizon in the future. I really dislike how some game franchises feel the need to add order-of-magnitude-aspect-changes to the overall lore. Look at Halo these days, it's a mess story wise. I can buy robot dinosaurs but adding an incredibly unlikely event like first-time-alien-contact happening at-the-same time is just a leap too far and would cheapen it all.
And no change or surprise change of protagonist either please. Didn't work in Halo. Nor in MGS2.
Having us not play as Aloy 95% of the time in any sequel would be a big detriment.
Guerrilla has already said that this is an Sci Fi franchise not a fantasy , so i don't think there will be Alieans in the future sequel.
Here's hoping they can avoid "zombie" corrupted humans. That would be the easy way out.
The more I look back at the end of the game, the final boss fight was sort of anti-climatic. The lead up to it was AWESOME though. Seeing all the NPCs together and their reactions was great. Having the last boss fight be a OP version of the mechwarrior unit with immunities was sort of a letdown. Pretty sure we all wanted to see the giant mountain sized mech in action, with us pulling Shadow of the Colossus duty running down it's arms to stab it in the head.
Anyone know where did those kids went after growing up in the all-mother's facility room? Probably they're the ones to re-populate planet earth again I suppose?
Ok so I just got to the part where you exit mother and alloy goes crazy on her old tribe and then it clicked. This game just blew my mind about what the meta context of it all is about.
Basically this is an analogy for our current time. Technology brings us closer to the truth, the reality is were humans, there are no gods and that we are our own worst enemies. We kill each other and destroy the planet by using up its resources and making things that are destructive. Alloy, the main character, is more privy to information (the internet, reading, younger generation) while the majority of people are primitive and listen to tales passed to them from before (the bible, the Torah etc) these people are uninformed and because of that they base their beliefs on fantasy created by people that had no access to science, information and technology. The main character, once privy to this information realizes how naive and flawed her peoples viewpoints are. She see terrible it is that they treat others who are different, who don't fit their beliefs are. These are people who deemed her to be an outsider (gay, black , whatever) that don't fit their restrictive religions viewpoints. This game is like a hardcore pro science, atheist game that is trying to show how destructive religions are.
Which is why if the signal did come from space it has to be the Odyssey.
What evidence do we have that the signal originated from space?
I don't think it's that simple however. I think it's kind of reductionist if anything. While yes, there is an underlying criticism of organized religion, and pro-science, it is however, still critical of science itself in many ways.
After all, the world wasn't ruined by religion, it was ruined by an egotistical man who wanted a lasting legacy through his robotics. Science is what both destroyed and saved the planet but the saving doesn't excuse it from having destroyed it in the first place.
I'd argue that, while the Nora's religious beliefs can be restrictive at times, it isn't shown to be all that dangerous. The Nora can be ignorant at times yes, but overall you get the impression that the people are happy and that the Nora are generally peaceful people who don't go out with the sole intentions of hating others just purely based on religion. (Hell, their whole beef with the Carja was because of the Red Raids.)
Even with their new found knowledge, it's more likely that the Nora religion would change rather than merely go away. After all, no religion today is the same as they were in their beginnings.
Now obviously I'm not saying that the game is pro-religious, I just don't think it's pro-atheist. I'd say for sure without a doubt, however, it does promote healthy skepticism and knowledge seeking. The biggest support of this is the one Sun Priest you can talk to at various points in the game. I can't recall his name at this moment but he is someone who does truly believe in the Sun but at the same time is a progressive among his peers, stating that he feels it is a shame that Women are not allowed to be Sun Priestess as he believes if they could that it would be invaluable. So the game shows that there are those in the religions that can learn without simply disregarding everything.
If anything the story is anti-fanatacism. Sylens, Faro, the Eclipse - all fanatics in their own way, all worked towards the destruction of the Earth.
There's also a conversation that Aloy has with Syylens about why Elizabet sacrificed herself - empathy vs. logic, and Gaia being taught about art and given a sense of aesthetics and emotion in order to perform her task.
I think it's difficult to frame a story where science destroys all life on Earth as 'hardcore pro-science'. I don't think any system of belief gets let off the hook - generally speaking it's what you do with the knowledge you have that matters. Like the Sun King and his father, or the the disagreements among the matriarchs, or Ted and Elisabet - there is always a light and a dark side.
I have to say, one of my favorite parts of this game was reading the Vantage text logs. They really have you the sense of how an average person felt in 2065.
Hell, the audio logs from the soldiers at the Grave-Hoard was what really made me start digging into the lore. I mean, going through the game not reading anything can give you a pretty good look at the world, but after reading through the text and audio logs, the whole thing just gets darker and darker.
I'd love some sort of app or document where I could read through everything and try to parse it.
That's a good point. Also interesting note is that Elisabet herself didn't even seem to be an atheist as she does use 'god' during dialogue from time to time. Granted she never talks about the concept or specifically talk about it but she does invoke it in the usual Christian cultural context of using it without thinking.
I think that makes sense?
Honestly I believe 100% that this game has some of the best audio logs in gaming. You learn so much and it's all really well voice acted.
What evidence do we have that the signal originated from space?
I've just reached the end of Gaia Prime and I have to say I'm not too high on this story so far. Ted Faro seems more like a plot convenience than a character. There was no sound motivation from any angle for why he destroyed the Apollo protocol. I'm really disappointed by this turn of events.
Ted Faro was also shown in the beginning as a smart person who created the Faro robots. The Apollo program was designed to help humanity not make the same mistakes again. And even if we assume it dosen't, it dosen't take a genius to assume that humanity still might make the same mistake without that information.I mean he wasn't in a sound state of mind. Ted Faro was a bit of a egotistical man who wanted his robots to be his legacy and when it back fired by literally bringing forth Humanity's end, he kind of lost it.
In a way, he was still being selfish up until the very end. He assumed if the APOLLO program was to work, then what happened would happen again... Rather than trusting humanity, he just assumed things would go sour and decided to rip the choice from humanity and wipe everything.
Plus why would he need a sound argument? Does a crazy person need a sound argument for why they do crazy things?
Ted Faro was also shown in the beginning as a smart person who created the Faro robots. The Apollo program was designed to help humanity not make the same mistakes again. And even if we assume it dosen't, it dosen't take a genius to assume that humanity still might make the same mistake without that information.
So let's say he is so insane that he has lost the ability of all rational thought and basic thinking. How was he able to hack into the Gaia Prime base like that? So he lost all rational thought to insanity and yet he was able to do high level program access to purge the Apollo program and kill the people in the base. How convenient.
Just because someone is wrecked so much with guilt doesnt mean he is impotent.Ted Faro was also shown in the beginning as a smart person who created the Faro robots. The Apollo program was designed to help humanity not make the same mistakes again. And even if we assume it dosen't, it dosen't take a genius to assume that humanity still might make the same mistake without that information.
So let's say he is so insane that he has lost the ability of all rational thought and basic thinking. How was he able to hack into the Gaia Prime base like that? So he lost all rational thought to insanity and yet he was able to do high level program access to purge the Apollo program and kill the people in the base. How convenient.
I've just reached the end of Gaia Prime and I have to say I'm not too high on this story so far. Ted Faro seems more like a plot convenience than a character. There was no sound motivation from any angle for why he destroyed the Apollo protocol. I'm really disappointed by this turn of events.
Even still, I consider insanity to be the most boring motivation for an action. You don't have have to give them any sort of complicated reasoning or give you a reason to relate to them. It's just "lol they did the thing".You don't believe that people damaged psicologically can accomplish really complicated things? I'd say they could even achieve more than in a sane state of mind...
Yet he wasn't smart enough to equally think out that the Faro incident could still happen again without that history.Just because someone is wrecked so much with guilt doesnt mean he is impotent.
Besides, Ted Faro was one of the Alphas for the project. He was there in all the steps, including the construction of Gaia. Not to mention one of the smartest man alive at the time.
Most of his logs I found just boiled down to "Teaching them things is bad." No real reasoning.Sounds like you missed a few of his text/audio logs. I thought his motivation was crystal clear. Doesn't mean I agreed with it, but his rationale makes sense, as grim as it sounds.
Even still, I consider insanity to be the most boring motivation for an action. You don't have have to give them any sort of complicated reasoning or give you a reason to relate to them. It's just "lol they did the thing".
It's implied, based on one of the Audio logs, that Ted fell in with a bunch of hardcore anti-technology types ("Pantah Antimod Clowns") as he watched human civilization fall apart. It's not at all surprising that, between the conviction that comes from fanatical religion and his own massive ego, he would take it upon himself to unilaterally destroy APOLLO in order to "free" humanity.I've just reached the end of Gaia Prime and I have to say I'm not too high on this story so far. Ted Faro seems more like a plot convenience than a character. There was no sound motivation from any angle for why he destroyed the Apollo protocol. I'm really disappointed by this turn of events.
Even still, I consider insanity to be the most boring motivation for an action. You don't have have to give them any sort of complicated reasoning or give you a reason to relate to them. It's just "lol they did the thing".
Yet he wasn't smart enough to equally think out that the Faro incident could still happen again without that history.
Most of his logs I found just boiled down to "Teaching them things is bad." No real reasoning.