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[Wthermans]

He claimed the laws were hypocritical.. he did so based on false premises, which I pointed out.




Your options are the due process of law.. help get an initiative started if you live in a State that supports them, or contact your legislature.

That's how smoking bans were passed in Washington.

Which also makes the "hypocritical" claim obsolete. THE PEOPLE voted in the smoking ban, not the legislature.



You make everyone and everything smell like shit. You irritate my eyes and lungs and give me a severe headache with your habit.

You are blinded by your addiction into being a rude prick IMO. Seriously, go blow your shit smoke in an abandoned field or something.

Most people where I live agree with me.. so in my State/City, expect even stronger bans.. and you and your rude habit can deal with it.

This is not the case in which most smoking bans are instituted. Most are passed by local or state governments. I've personally never seen a report of a public referendum on ballot for a smoking ban.

Yes, and offices are required by law to educate their staff on the dangers of sitting all day, as well as take steps to prevent those dangers through encouraging exercise. This is the law.

I've never heard of that law. Care to cite it? I know there is no such legislation in Tennessee.

 

[EYEL1NER]

Also, I'd argue that a job where you sit in front of a computer all day is hazardous to your health. It can lead to blood clots, obesity, and other illnesses.

Staring at a monitor can cause headaches and watery eyes, something people have been complaining cigarette smoke does.

 

[dudeworld]

Because there are other options in the same line of employment that are less hazardous. Personally I like giving people the option to make choices for themselves.

Also, I'd argue that a job where you sit in front of a computer all day is hazardous to your health. It can lead to blood clots, obesity, and other illnesses.

so you're one of those people that believe jobs are everywhere and super easy to get, no problem? ok

Office job is only as hazardous as you make it - get regular exercise and eat healthy and there's no problem. Bad example. Unless the waitress wears an oxygen mask, she can't avoid health problems from your smoke.

I love how you guys are actually comparing smoking to staring at a computer monitor. You guys must be running out of arguments

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

It's disgusting. If you want to eat all day and become fat, go ahead, if you want to shoot crack into your scrotum, I don't give a fuck, I also don't give a flying shit if you smoke yourself stupid, but when you are being an inconsiderate fuck and polluting the air that I breath? Fuck you. There are millions of people that suffer from Asthma. That in edition to the cold winter air can really set off an attack.

Seriously, it's disgusting, MOST of the litter I see are cigarette butts. Just because it's biodegradable doesn't mean you can put it anywhere. I can take a dump on the sidewalk, doesn't mean I should. /angry rant

YUP.. this..

I see people throwing cigarette butts out their windows on a daily basis.. grown adults.. people who own businesses.. people with their children.

Mass hysteria of addiction causing reprehensible actions that people ignore, and want to play "victim" on.

Grow up smokers.

 

[Wthermans]

so you're one of those people that believe jobs are everywhere and super easy to get, no problem? ok

Office job is only as hazardous as you make it - get regular exercise and eat healthy and there's no problem. Bad example. Unless the waitress wears an oxygen mask, she can't avoid health problems from your smoke.

I'm unemployed. I know exactly how difficult the current job market is. I also know that it's stupid to apply to a position knowing the working conditions and then complain about said conditions.

 

[bill0527]

Yes it does, when you claim:



How can it be hypocritical when every action you listed is illegal?

Your argument was bad, get over it. You can't claim a law is hypocritical then incorrectly list a bunch of things that you actually aren't "allowed" to do by law.



Yeah.. and what you did would kind of be like claiming speed limit laws are hypocritical because people murder people. Actually, it would be more like claiming they are hypocritical because people are allowed to murder people, when they aren't actually allowed to do that.

Law enforcement of public drunkenness needs to increase, as does actually prosecuting and fining bars that essentially profit from rather rampant illegal activities.

Hypocritical is the government saying that we can't allow smoking in public places because its a health and safety issue for everyone, but we will allow people to drink alcohol and just hope and pray that everyone who drinks will do so responsibly and not end up being a health and safety issue for everyone around them. And here's a newsflash, the government has yet to be able to stop irresponsible behavior that's associated with alcohol consumption and the public safety issues that come with it, regardless of whether its illegal or not.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

This is not the case in which most smoking bans are instituted. Most are passed by local or state governments. I've personally never seen a report of a public referendum on ballot for a smoking ban.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Initiative-901-Smoking-ban-sails-to-victory-1187008.php

 

[Wthermans]

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Initiative-901-Smoking-ban-sails-to-victory-1187008.php

That's awesome. Glad to see Washington was progressive enough to allow the people to have a voice. I wish that were the case in other states though.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Hypocritical is the government saying that we can't allow smoking in public places because its a health and safety issue for everyone, but we will allow people to drink alcohol and just hope and pray that everyone who drinks will do so responsibly

Only responsible drinking is legal in public... you listed a bunch of ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES and used them to justify your claim of hypocrisy.

They also have to "hope and pray" people follow smoking bans.. and, they often times don't.

People aren't supposed to smoke in doorways in WA/Seattle, they do anyways.

Your argument was and is highly flawed, admit it and move on. There is no legal hypocrisy here unless smoking is banned while irresponsible drinking isn't.

 

[dudeworld]

I'm unemployed. I know exactly how difficult the current job market is. I also know that it's stupid to apply to a position knowing the working conditions and then complain about said conditions.

some people are desperate, have no choice and need the money. When that's the case, why not make their working conditions better? Do you like suffering or something?

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Hypocritical is the government saying that we can't allow smoking in public places because its a health and safety issue for everyone, but we will allow people to drink alcohol and just hope and pray that everyone who drinks will do so responsibly and not end up being a health and safety issue for everyone around them. And here's a newsflash, the government has yet to be able to stop irresponsible behavior that's associated with alcohol consumption and the public safety issues that come with it, regardless of whether its illegal or not.

Then the government is incompetent and the threat of any punishment is hollow. Bar owners can ignore the ordinances and allow smoking if they so choose. Clearly, the laws don't matter.

Where are you going with this?

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

Then the government is incompetent and the threat of any punishment is hollow. Bar owners can ignore the ordinances and allow smoking if they so choose. Clearly, the laws don't matter.

Where are you going with this?

He won't admit he was wrong about claiming the laws are hypocritical.

Typical internet BS.

 

[Kentpaul]

smoking bans are great, i hate smelling smoke when I'm not drunk.

 

[windz]

Only my opinion/personal experience, but there's no smoking in ANY public place where I live. No smoking in trains, transit, restaurants, ANYWHERE. You have to be outside, and while the law states 10 feet or 15 feet from the door or some other number, lets face it, almost nobody follows that, and I don't mind that fact. Being allergic to smoke, when this law got passed I became a very happy camper.

If I was a non-smoker, I'd still be happy, as a restaurant filled with smog is pretty damn disgusting lol. Bite into delicious steak, breathe in sweet sweet smoke. Mmmmmm. Oh, and your clothes stink well after the fact.

 

[Zeth]

I vape, and enjoy being that guy. "It's steam, bitch"

 

[Steve Youngblood]

In St. Louis County, the smoking ban was also passed via a vote. Prop N passed easily.

 

[Wthermans]

some people are desperate, have no choice and need the money. When that's the case, why not make their working conditions better? Do you like suffering or something?

Because I don't want to infringe on a business owners rights and cause them to potentially lose customers. As said, there are far more opportunities at businesses that don't allow smoking available.

 

[Stet]

I've never heard of that law. Care to cite it? I know there is no such legislation in Tennessee.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90o01_e.htm#BK42

We also have a smoking ban in all workplaces, including bars and restaurants.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

some people are desperate, have no choice and need the money. When that's the case, why not make their working conditions better? Do you like suffering or something?

Why don't we just tell the business how to do everything from the top down?

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

In St. Louis County, the smoking ban was also passed via a vote. Prop N passed easily.

I was under the impression most smoking bans past via initiative.

A quick google search reveals it's true for the most part:

https://www.google.com/search?q=smoking+ban+inititive+passes

I've actually never heard the opposite.. a legislature passing a smoking ban that wasn't approved by the public.

 

[abrack08]

My girlfriends grandfather died from lung problems (not sure of the details myself, if it was cancer or whatever, but we saw him a month or so before he died, and he was walking around with an oxygen tank) and he didn't smoke, his wife did. She's still alive.

You can smoke if you want. I don't care, it's a dumb decision, but you smoke yourself to death, drink yourself to death, eat yourself to death, whatever. But when you smoke around ANYONE else, you're also killing THEM, you selfish assholes (Smokers in general, not anyone particular in this thread). lol @ people talking about alcohol, junk food, sitting a lot at work, etc. as being the same. It's not the same unless it pollutes everyone in the room, against their will, even those not partaking. It would only be the same if me sitting at a desk all day ALSO caused the guy next to me, who exercises regularly to get arthritis or get fat and die.

Also, have you ever smelled yourself/your clothes the day after going to a casino? It's disgusting. Keep that stuff to yourself, and dispose of your cigarette butts properly (There are tons right outside my apartment, I have to be careful and make sure my dog doesn't eat one. Which is ridiculous for me to have to do)

 

[To Far Away Times]

I approve. Just like cars have emission regulations to prevent crap ruining our air, there should be smoking bans to prevent such nasty crap everywhere, especially if we have to breath it in. I walked into a Walmart, doing some late night shopping, and there were EIGHT PEOPLE standing at the doorway smoking. A wall of smoke, only way to get in too since they close the other door that late.

It's disgusting. If you want to eat all day and become fat, go ahead, if you want to shoot crack into your scrotum, I don't give a fuck, I also don't give a flying shit if you smoke yourself stupid, but when you are being an inconsiderate fuck and polluting the air that I breath? Fuck you. There are millions of people that suffer from Asthma. That in edition to the cold winter air can really set off an attack.

I agree with everything posted here. Do whatever you want in your own privacy (anything from cigarettes to hard drugs and everything in between) but if you do it in a way that harms or affects me, fuck you!

 

[dudeworld]

Because I don't want to infringe on a business owners rights and cause them to potentially lose customers. As said, there are far more opportunities at businesses that don't allow smoking available.

like someone else said about the "right to allow smoking at a bar" why shouldn't they be given the "right the feed their customers old, stale food, or food that's gone bad" it would be cheaper for the business, wouldn't it? they would save money from not having to keep everything 100% fresh. It all has to do with regulation to protect the consumer and to protect the employees.

I live in a city where smoking is banned and the bars and clubs are hardly losing customers. Clubs still have long line ups, (in -15C weather in the winter) of people who are OK with not being able to smoke once they get inside.

If you want them to lift regulation on smoking then why don't you also want them to lift regulations on sanitation checks as well?

 

[Rentahamster]

I think we have a pretty good characterization of what a "responsible drinker" and an "irresponsible drinker" is. Is there any such image of a "responsible smoker" and an "irresponsible smoker"?

One thing that comes to mind when I think "responsible smoker" is one of my college friends who would carry a small container with him to use to discard his cigarette butts. He said he picked up the habit from his time living in Japan.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I was under the impression most smoking bans past via initiative.

A quick google search reveals it's true for the most part:

https://www.google.com/search?q=smoking+ban+inititive+passes

I've actually never heard the opposite.. a legislature passing a smoking ban that wasn't approved by the public.

I don't think the Illinois ban ever saw a public vote.

 

[dudeworld]

I think we have a pretty good characterization of what a "responsible drinker" and an "irresponsible drinker" is. Is there any such image of a "responsible smoker" and an "irresponsible smoker"?

One thing that comes to mind when I think "responsible smoker" is one of my college friends who would carry a small container with him to use to discard his cigarette butts. He said he picked up the habit from his time living in Japan.

A responsible smoker is someone who smokes at home or in their car (when there are no children around) and who smokes in designated smoking areas. Oh, and smokers who use breath mint and some sort of body spray/febreeze for their clothing. Seriously, most smokers have no idea how bad they really smell. Sometimes it's bad enough to make people gag.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

I don't think the Illinois ban ever saw a public vote.

Thanks, interesting.

And they are a state that has Initiatives I believe.

I knew there'd be some.. but I mostly hear about the West Coast out here, where I think these bans have been in effect a lot longer.

 

[phosphor112]

A responsible smoker is someone who smokes at home or in their car (when there are no children around) and who smokes in designated smoking areas. Oh, and smokers who use breath mint and some sort of body spray/febreeze for their clothing. Seriously, most smokers have no idea how bad they really smell. Sometimes it's bad enough to make people gag.

There is a woman where I work, all the radiologists make fun of her and hate working in the room she's in. She'll go out for a 30 minute smoke break, finishing her damn pack, and she'll come back into this small reading room where we are looking at scans, and you can feel yourself dying from the bad smell and smoke on her clothes and skin.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

You allow people to go into bars, restaurants, and clubs, and consume a product - alcohol, that can fuck up and end innocent people's lives hours after consuming it, but you can't allow smoking. The act of people smoking cigarettes typically doesn't start bar fights, cause property damage, or cause someone to hit someone head on in a vehicle.

with alcohol you are damaging yourself.

Smoking you are damaging other peoples lungs. Also, most of the bans in europe and NZ/Aus focus on the safety of the workers as the reason, they are there to work and can't avoid the smoke.

Also, I fucking love it, because smoking is shit, it stinks, it makes you ugly and it makes you die, keep that shit outside with the glue sniffers.

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

A responsible smoker is someone who smokes at home or in their car (when there are no children around) and who smokes in designated smoking areas. Oh, and smokers who use breath mint and some sort of body spray/febreeze for their clothing. Seriously, most smokers have no idea how bad they really smell. Sometimes it's bad enough to make people gag.

Can't really agree with this one..

Drive behind someone who is smoking.. your car will be stinking of cigarette smoke shortly.. let alone being stuck at a light next to or behind someone.. or where someone had just been smoking.

Hell.. my neighbor smokes outside.. blowing his smoke away from his house.. towards mine.. and it enters my house. He does that all summer.. luckily in the winter it appears he smokes somewhere else.. probably inside.. and his house is probably putrid smelling.

It's a putrid and rude habit altogether. If it becomes a problem again this summer I'm going to have a chat with my neighbor. I'll have no problem repeatedly brow beating him no matter what he has to say.

I hope it's use dramatically decreases soon.. honestly.. fucking gross and still unfortunately rampant.. I'm going to start speaking to the managers at restaurants that aren't actively enforcing the "not near their door" rules.. tell them I won't frequent their business if they don't actively stop their smoking customers from causing me to feel ill when I enter and leave their establishment.

 

[jmdajr]

I think it's awesome. It has made going out much more enjoyable.

 

[out0v0rder]

next thing you know the govt will be banning the internet.

 

[JB1981]

I think they're great. Fuck smokers

 

[Bossun]

I'm all for it in restaurant. It's really a pain to eat and feel/inhale smoke at the same time.

But that's it.

I'd still rather smell smoke or tobacco than the farts and smells of the guy besides me who still thinks he smells nice because he doesn't smoke.

Dellusion dellusion.

Also people tend to think that because they don't smoke they have a fresh breath.
Guys you still stink from the mouth...

 

[Slappers Only]

next thing you know the govt will be banning the internet.

In public, which includes libraries, the workplace, and traffic? I support this.

 

[SapientWolf]

Because I don't want to infringe on a business owners rights and cause them to potentially lose customers. As said, there are far more opportunities at businesses that don't allow smoking available.

Blanket bans make it less likely that individual establishments will lose clientele because they leave no available options for smoking indoors in public. It essentially evens the playing field.

 

[Stormtrooper30]

Hypocritical is the government saying that we can't allow smoking in public places because its a health and safety issue for everyone, but we will allow people to drink alcohol and just hope and pray that everyone who drinks will do so responsibly and not end up being a health and safety issue for everyone around them. And here's a newsflash, the government has yet to be able to stop irresponsible behavior that's associated with alcohol consumption and the public safety issues that come with it, regardless of whether its illegal or not.

Drinking alcohol is legal because it only affects you. Drinking and driving is illegal because that kills people. You drinking by yourself does nothing to another human being. You smoking involuntarily exposes them to second-hand smoke that immediately affects their lungs and can harm them. The act of smoking inherently harms those around you.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I'd still rather smell smoke or tobacco than the farts and smells of the guy besides me who still thinks he smells nice because he doesn't smoke.

What an odd set of choices. I didn't suddenly notice an influx in farting and poor hygiene post-smoking ban, but that's just me.

 

[tanooki141]

I can't believe some of you people.

America is about freedom, it should be the bar's / business' decision whether or not to allow smoking.

I personally hate smoking and don't like to be around smokers.

I would give my business to a place that bans smoking indoors over one that allows it but it should not be the government's decision whether or not its allowed.

These laws are absolutely appaling.

 

[Bossun]

What an odd set of choices. I didn't suddenly notice an influx in farting and poor hygiene post-smoking ban, but that's just me.

I forgot to mention "in clubs, concert..etc". And you didn't have that problem before.

And we're probably not the same but I hate body odor. More than smoke. It's way more of an "erection killer" to me than smoke.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

America is about freedom, it should be the bar's / business' decision whether or not to allow smoking.

Right. I don't understand why I can't open my whites-only bar. I thought this was America!

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

I can't believe some of you people.

America is about freedom, it should be the bar's / business' decision whether or not to allow smoking.

I personally hate smoking and don't like to be around smokers.

I would give my business to a place that bans smoking indoors over one that allows it but it should not be the government's decision whether or not its allowed.

These laws are absolutely appaling.

And I have the freedom to vote on a smoking ban.. because it's not a protected right.

It's your right to believe it should be left up to the business owner, and your right to vote on laws how you see fit..

Your right to find it appalling as well, and misrepresent what America is "about", and spell appalling wrong

 

[DeSo]

I'm allergic to it so it sounds great.

 

[phosphor112]

Right. I don't understand why I can't open my whites-only bar. I thought this was America!

:lol

 

[jmdajr]

I don't know what it is, but my symphony for smokers is pretty damn fucking low. Might have something to do with most of the smokers I know being assholes. Who knows, maybe they think I'm a douche bag for judging them. So hey...it all works out. We don't even have to socialize! Awesome.

My favorite public smoker is by far the one who has her baby in a stroller. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

I can't believe some of you people.

America is about freedom, it should be the bar's / business' decision whether or not to allow smoking.

I personally hate smoking and don't like to be around smokers.

I would give my business to a place that bans smoking indoors over one that allows it but it should not be the government's decision whether or not its allowed.

These laws are absolutely appaling.

If I want to store my meat in a broken freezer, then serve it to my customers, I should be able to, dag nab it! THESE COLORS DON'T RUN!

 

[nVidiot_Whore]

I don't know what it is, but my symphony for smokers is pretty damn fucking low. Might have something to do with most of the smokers I know being assholes. Who knows, maybe they think I'm a douche bag for judging them. So hey...it all works out. We don't even have to socialize! Awesome.

My favorite public smoker is by far the one who has her baby in a stroller. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

HI FIVE dude.. hi five.

I personally refuse to socialize with smokers.. I generally find they have other personality flaws that don't suit me well either way (extremely irresponsible people really,generally not very intelligent decision makers).

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

If I want to store my meat in a broken freezer, then serve it to my customers, I should be able to, dag nab it! THESE COLORS DON'T RUN!

See how long you have customers!

 

[bill0527]

And I have the freedom to vote on a smoking ban.. because it's not a protected right.

It's your right to believe it should be left up to the business owner, and your right to vote on laws how you see fit..

Your right to find it appalling as well, and misrepresent what America is "about", and spell appalling wrong

My city didnt get the right to vote.

It was passed by the city council who thought so much of public health and safety they exempted the casino because they didn't want to lose any tax revenue from it.

 

[phosphor112]

I don't know what it is, but my symphony for smokers is pretty damn fucking low. Might have something to do with most of the smokers I know being assholes. Who knows, maybe they think I'm a douche bag for judging them. So hey...it all works out. We don't even have to socialize! Awesome.

My favorite public smoker is by far the one who has her baby in a stroller. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Saw two pregnant women chain smoking and socializing with one another like they had no care in the fucking world.

Kicking them in the wombs would probably end in better results than two babies that lived decrepit lives the whole time.

You should see all the CT's and MRI's of fucked up babies and kids we get because tobacco and alcohol abuse when they were in the womb.

Enrages me like non-other.