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How to deal with Alt+Right employees?
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You have to work with these people.
superdeluxe
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You just answered your own question, If they get their jobs done, does it really matter what their political views are?
Calamari41
41 > 38
Whoever sits on the labor board decides, and don't think for a minute that precedent won't be used when such boards are full of Trump supporters.
Mammoth Jones
Member
This is obvious and goes beyond party ideology. Anyone espousing discriminatory sentiments would be let go.
But just insinuating that that's their position because they're Republicans and firing them is what it originally sounded like and I'd disagree with that approach.
PanicFreak
Member
This is the one and true answer.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
Like, I remember one night he hung up from a call and another coworker (who is a woman) asked who the call was from because it sounded important. His answer was simply "a female." When prompt for further information he just put his headphones on and ignored her to resume watching his Anime. She wasn't even asking for a name, she was curious about the department to know if something was going on and he wouldn't even give her that.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Atl+F4
Yep keep it with your real friends/family. You're forced to work with people you don't like, don't talk to them about this type of shit. It's not worth it otherwise you're gonna want to quit every job you ever have.
I don't talk about politics with my employees. There is absolutely nothing good that will come of it.
Don't discuss politics in the workplace, it rarely leads anywhere good.
If you're the boss, foster a positive, inclusive atmosphere of diversity. If some employees don't like that, tbey're free to find another job.
Take action against the employees if they're openly bigoted or toxic in a way that affects the business... but support for Trump alone doesn't really justify firing.
If you're the boss, foster a positive, inclusive atmosphere of diversity. If some employees don't like that, tbey're free to find another job.
Take action against the employees if they're openly bigoted or toxic in a way that affects the business... but support for Trump alone doesn't really justify firing.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Or with your democratic/left supporters if we just read a few topics on gaf
Testicular Sound Express
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hey mods can we have alt-right automatically change to Neo-Nazi? Oh sorta kinda joking.
No really.
No really.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I don't care whether people disagree. If a person can use the term "men/man" distinct from "male" but are unable to even afford the same consistency with "women/woman" and "female" then they are automatically suspect as holding sexist views whether they're conscious or not. If they're at least consistent in their obnoxious lexicon than that's slightly different. But I've yet to encounter an individual who says "to the males and females".
Ugh. I said I wasn't going to derail with this and here I am doing it.
Yeah as people have said, talking politics at work is a great way for things to go shitty and make you hate everyone you work with.
Even a nice fairly breezy casual conversation and end up going awry.
The best you can do is lead by example and in times they will learn to see you and respect you and become better people themselves.
Also these fucks are about to become disappointed and disillusioned as hell.
Donald Trump is their president dude.
This man can and will disappoint anyone and everyone.
Even a nice fairly breezy casual conversation and end up going awry.
The best you can do is lead by example and in times they will learn to see you and respect you and become better people themselves.
Also these fucks are about to become disappointed and disillusioned as hell.
Donald Trump is their president dude.
This man can and will disappoint anyone and everyone.
ChemicalCutthroat
Member
Ignore them and work.
Polite banter is one thing, but I don't have the time or energy to talk serious conversations with co-workers. And really, I usually don't want to. I come to work to make money, not make friends. That comes off as super-jerky, but it isn't like I hate these people, and I like quite a few of them, but I have to deal with them every day, so it is more beneficial to all parties to be curt and polite and just get shit done.
The quicker I get stuff moved and handle problems, the more money everyone makes. I can then take that money and go hang out with the people that I choose to hang out with, rather than those I tolerate to make that paycheck.
So the quick solution is, don't care about what he thinks, and get crackin' at what you came there to do. Make the money.
Polite banter is one thing, but I don't have the time or energy to talk serious conversations with co-workers. And really, I usually don't want to. I come to work to make money, not make friends. That comes off as super-jerky, but it isn't like I hate these people, and I like quite a few of them, but I have to deal with them every day, so it is more beneficial to all parties to be curt and polite and just get shit done.
The quicker I get stuff moved and handle problems, the more money everyone makes. I can then take that money and go hang out with the people that I choose to hang out with, rather than those I tolerate to make that paycheck.
So the quick solution is, don't care about what he thinks, and get crackin' at what you came there to do. Make the money.
Fercho-Kyzer
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Fire them. Use some other reason to fire them or to give them home office. Like you said, that kind of thinking is toxic and with the current landscape it will be even worse.
We all talk profesionalism and all that and it's great. But I bet you are not going to see these 2 employees in the same way anymore.
......I don't know if I'm kidding anymore.
We all talk profesionalism and all that and it's great. But I bet you are not going to see these 2 employees in the same way anymore.
......I don't know if I'm kidding anymore.
But that's censorship!
I wouldn't do this at work but I do it with people I know outside of work that post shit on social media or say it out loud. They're literally manchilden bullying and throwing fits because they never learned how to be social. When they don't listen to reason I see no reason not to take the kid gloves off.
Mammoth Jones
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This. Here are some gems from various jobs over the years that got me to the point of just going to work, doing my job, and going the fuck home:
- "Slavery was a good thing in the long run, at least you're here. Would you like to be living in Africa? Yikes!"
- "She shouldn't be drinking late at night!" This was in response to a discussion on a news article about a woman being gang raped.
- "Get over slavery it happened centuries ago"
- "You don't sound Black"
- "I'm Blacker than you" (spoken by some dude that thought listening to hip hop and sagging his pants made him Black. Annoying fuck)
- "Rape never happened during slavery because Whites considered Black like animals and that would have been beastiality"
- "Your people should stop complaining because my people were oppressed worse!"
- Drawing a noose on a whiteboard (the irony) causing my coworker to quit. She couldn't take the shit or the excuses.
- Randomly wanting to talk to me every fucking time there's a news story about Black people shit in the news.
Work = Headphones.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Yeah, talking like this in response to what we saw in the OP will get you fired.
Straight Edge
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Do you have a separate HR department that is going to wonder why you're having political debates with your subordinates? Are these guys going to tell HR that you're giving them a hard time because of their politics?
Pizza con salsiccia
Banned
shawnbuddy
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Wait until Trump repeals Obamacare, Medicaid expansion and social welfare programs.
Fire them. Find a reason.
Call them a few months later and ask them how it's going.
Fire them. Find a reason.
Call them a few months later and ask them how it's going.
radios shipping overview
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No politics at work.
If they say something racist, sexist, or demeaning, talk to HR.
If they say something racist, sexist, or demeaning, talk to HR.
Mr. Blonde
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Maybe stop spouting nonsense like "Trump didnt disavow the kkk" when he clearly did, just not on that specific show with jake tapper when he didnt understand what the hell tapper was asking him about david duke.
BrutishMrFish
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You seem awfully offended over something that's only slightly inaccurate.
He did know, though. He met David Duke before and knew what the KKK is. He was playing dumb and you fell for it.
HellforLeather
Member
Uh where the fuck do you work where conversations like this seem to be a recurring theme?
In regard to the OP and some others commenting on here. Firing somebody for their political standpoint is pretty dumb
Unless its totally off the wall and disrupts work
OP, dont talk politics at work. Period.
Calamari41
41 > 38
Trump was too slow to denounce David Duke that time, but the statement from the OP that "trump never disavowed the KKK" is not true.
id say the opposite is true
ZackieChan
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Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I don't think you're describing alt-right employees, I think you're describing Republican employees. The standard position of the Republican party since well before Trump was that Cops are great and protesting is bad (especially when it is "thugs" "rioting"). During the Bell Curve, the standard Republican position was that the book was both scientifically accurate and useful for determining social policy. Jesse Helms existed. Since BLM, the standard Republican position has been "Blue Lives Matter and All Lives Matter". The Republican party has been, since the 1960s, racially conservative. And since at least the 1980s the Republican party has been against what they perceive as the excesses of modern feminism, and "political correctness". If you check public opinion polls on cops/BLM/protests against police brutality, you will see how it basically 1:1 lines up with race and party. And if the question is "I find Republican views abhorrent, how do I make my employees not be Republican?" I think you will probably find that's a losing battle.
I think it's important to keep some daylight between the Republican Party and the alt-right because, first off, the former is large and the latter is small and I think it's actually possible to combat the latter; second, because the willingness to use apocalyptic language to refer to your opponents means you have nowhere to go when the real apocalypse comes along. By that I mean that many Republicans wrote off criticisms of Trump as unqualified, extreme, or unsuitable for office because those same criticisms were made against Romney and McCain and Bush and Dole and Bush and Reagan and... Not necessarily to the same degree of course, but an acknowledgement that there are different degrees and reserving the harshest criticism for the worst abuses is an important part of the arguments sounding credible to moderates on the other side.
If your employees "ironically" dress up as Nazis, spam pepes, write "The God Emperor is Going To Gas You" on a Jewish employee's locker, talk constantly about race realism and race traitors and a white country, say openly racist things about the appearance of others, etc. then you are in a space where it's both easier for you to take action and more accurate to characterize them as alt-right. And the answer with how to deal with someone doing this kind of stuff is to summarily fire them. Abuse and harassment in the workplace can't be tolerated at all.
I think it's important to keep some daylight between the Republican Party and the alt-right because, first off, the former is large and the latter is small and I think it's actually possible to combat the latter; second, because the willingness to use apocalyptic language to refer to your opponents means you have nowhere to go when the real apocalypse comes along. By that I mean that many Republicans wrote off criticisms of Trump as unqualified, extreme, or unsuitable for office because those same criticisms were made against Romney and McCain and Bush and Dole and Bush and Reagan and... Not necessarily to the same degree of course, but an acknowledgement that there are different degrees and reserving the harshest criticism for the worst abuses is an important part of the arguments sounding credible to moderates on the other side.
If your employees "ironically" dress up as Nazis, spam pepes, write "The God Emperor is Going To Gas You" on a Jewish employee's locker, talk constantly about race realism and race traitors and a white country, say openly racist things about the appearance of others, etc. then you are in a space where it's both easier for you to take action and more accurate to characterize them as alt-right. And the answer with how to deal with someone doing this kind of stuff is to summarily fire them. Abuse and harassment in the workplace can't be tolerated at all.
Messofanego
Banned
Now I'm reminded of the KKK teacher.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187040282&postcount=2585
Back-In-Black
Banned
Because it is.
This was debunked in the newest confession thread
Calamari41
41 > 38
This is sickening to read. (Edit: glad to hear it was debunked)
But now imagine that the precedent has been set that employees can be fired because of their political affiliations, and this guy is your boss.
If one of my employees is a tea drinking liberal, a flag wearing republican or a snake dancing railroad building Libertopian, good for them. If one of my employees is racist or misogynistic or harassing people at work, regardless of political stripe, they have a one way trip to the principal's office.
Hickbilly Deluxe
Banned
Not even remotely legal in the US. And a good way to get sued into the next century to boot.
OP, don't talk politics in the office. It's always bad news and leads to problems. If you don't like their political views, suck it up and don't mention it again.
Dude Abides
Banned
This is not even remotely true in most jurisdictions in the US. You can usually be fired for your political beliefs, particularly if you make political comments in the workplace, and your suit will go nowhere.
If you can be friends with them in other areas, befriend them and try talking to them over important issues over an extended period of time. This has been shown to be the most effective method of changing people's minds.
If they're insufferable asshats all around or you can't be bothered to befriend them, just correct them when they're wrong and ignore everything else. Don't get drawn into emotional shouting matches.
If they're insufferable asshats all around or you can't be bothered to befriend them, just correct them when they're wrong and ignore everything else. Don't get drawn into emotional shouting matches.
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