TheGodfather07
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March Climber
Member
This type of in-depth conversation has to be had post-showcase, not during one. They will probably hold a post-showcase couch talk for him to clear the air completely, either same day or next day. Right now, all we have are rumors and vague wording from an interview with a higher up.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Lol.
This goon thinks MS even has a grand plan to unveil in 2024.
They've been throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks since 2013.
This goon thinks MS even has a grand plan to unveil in 2024.
They've been throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks since 2013.
DenchDeckard
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Move makes complete sense.
It's a good move for everyone.
Exactly. Pure fan fiction being written here over the last few days.
It's a good move for everyone.
Exactly. Pure fan fiction being written here over the last few days.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
That’s why I said they go super high, customizable, and powerful.
It differentiates their product more, makes it a lot more niche, but retains profitability
They will be perfectly OK selling far less consoles than trying to race to the bottom on cost. Because software will be the major driver of profits, not hardware, they won’t leave hardware cold turkey
gothmog
Gold Member
I think the complication to a plan like this would be the risk of negatively impacting the Windows side of the business. Xbox basically becoming a Windows gaming PC minus the bullshit of dealing with Windows could potentially crater the Microsoft based desktop and laptop markets. They make a ton of money licensing the OS to manufacturers.
DenchDeckard
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This is exactly what I want.
If they work the model so it makes profit from day one, it doesn't matter if they sell 10 million or a hundred million. Every one of those purchases plus game purchases and gamepass is pretty much profit.
That's what they need to do.
Just going to be interesting if Sony allow them on their platform. I don't think games like hi fi rush will need an xbox login, but surely ms will be pushing for one in anything multiplayer relayed, which I think Sony will be against.
Maybe they go arm streaming stick box for the new series "s" type model and the high end one costs whatever they want. Just means developers have to port to one version, the higher end one and then the streaming box just streams it.
It makes almost too much sense.
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James Sawyer Ford
Member
They can include a markup for the OS themselves. Should only make it better for them if non gamers buy their PCs and they steal market share from dell or hp
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DenchDeckard
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Just to add, put hi fi rush everywhere, please MS and then green light a netflix show ffs.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Sony has no reason not to as long as MS makes a concession on the XBL requirement
Most GaaS titles are service agnostic, like Fortnite, so MS should forget about caring too deeply about XBL
bender
What time is it?
It differentiates itself by entering a market crowded with tons of other manufacturers?
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It’s essentially the steam machine concept with better execution.
It keeps them in the hardware game for their hardcore fans. It is not expected to sell incredibly well
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
But think about it ... If they start seeking profit for each console unit sold (they'll have to at that point if the total userbase has shrunk to less than 25 million), their console will end up at $800 MSRP.
Sony will be offering the same-powered console at $500.
Why would anyone buy an $800 console that doesn't have any exclusive games and that also won't have Sony games. But buying a PS6 will give them PS exclusives + Xbox games _ the most third-party games at $300 less price.
This will not work.
GHG
Member
I don't understand why some people are so desperate to have "xbox" branded hardware? People are proposing $800 hardware?
DenchDeckard
mentioned he'd take hardware that Microsoft are making a couple of hundred dollars of profit on?
Please make it make sense. At that point just build or buy a HTPC.
DenchDeckard
mentioned he'd take hardware that Microsoft are making a couple of hundred dollars of profit on? Please make it make sense. At that point just build or buy a HTPC.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
What's funny to me about all this, is that I didn't only see all this coming years ago, I just find it strange how some people still haven't noticed the patterns.
MS not showing their numbers, be that consoles or games sales, has been because those numbers aren't good.
Their pivoting to gamepass and day 1 releases on that platform, wasn't ever about them being for the gamers or making the "best deal in gaming" It was them shifting away from a console to a service model, ultimately feeling that they would be making more from there than they would ever have otherwise.
Now this pivot to multiplatform, is only because sub-service growth has flattened, and releasing on other platforms (Playstation) will be the only way for them to make any of this make sense.
Killjoy-NL
Member
That's pure fanboyism right there. Seems like just the idea is causing certain brains to malfunction.I don't understand why some people are so desperate to have "xbox" branded hardware? People are proposing $800 hardware?
Please make it make sense. At that point just build or buy a HTPC.
Guess that's the cost of ignoring the signs for 2 consecutive gens.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
When Phil would say something that would be going agains what Nadella has been saying, he would be paying a visit to Nadella's office, you can be shure of that....
This is gonna be interesting to watch. If he does, some will take what Phil says as gospel...and the cycle will continue.
One of these days all Xbox/MS execs will be on the same page, at the same time, as far as messaging
Dorfdad
Gold Member
I think it was brilliant move for Microsoft to buy activision. They saw the writing in the wall and know that gaming is a medium they need to be in, and the only way it will have a foothold is to acquire and become a publisher. This way they own the games people care about and can generate 3x rebuke from other platforms.
They keep referring to cloud but it seems they have zero improvements in this over the last 2 years. We’re still on 1080p services.
If they are serious they need a big jump in fidelity and infastrutre asap. Sonys new PS streaming is fantastic on PS5.
They keep referring to cloud but it seems they have zero improvements in this over the last 2 years. We’re still on 1080p services.
If they are serious they need a big jump in fidelity and infastrutre asap. Sonys new PS streaming is fantastic on PS5.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
How Xbox Is Changing it's Nature of Exclusivity
Is more appropriate.
Ar¢tos
Member
We know from the FTC case that he wanted everything exclusive (as in, not on Playstation) , COD exclusive as soon as the marketing deal with Sony ended and that he was really pissed off that he couldn't take Minecraft from Playstation and now Nadella decides to go multiplatform (or start a process of going multiplatform in stages).
Hard times for Phil ahead, he'll probably quit silently.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
You’re not losing the race if you constantly move the goalposts, huh? But honestly, after Insomniac budgeting leaks the size of Xbox userbase alone looks unsustainable.
Killjoy-NL
Member
I still believe that they wanted COD as an exclusive to use as leverage when they would try and put GamePass on Playstation.
It's a double-edged sword though.
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Ar¢tos
Member
GP on Playstation would be technically weird, aside from streaming. MS couldn't use the Xbox versions of the games because of the different OS and Sony proprietary formats, so it would be Sony to give access to their versions on their servers to be downloaded by players as MS GP game and they would obviously charge massively MS for that. Then there is the account linking, save data encryption, etc. With GP being cheap and MS having to pay publishers too, they would just lose money.
I don't think MS really intended to have GP on Playstation, they just tried so they could say "Sony is mean to us".
Killjoy-NL
Member
Well, yeah, but that's part of why buying ABK would be much cheaper and beneficial for MS.
And it might press Sony into being more open to MS demands.
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Shake Your Rump
Member
It’s “a strategy of curated, timed releases of former-exclusives”
balls of snow
Member
Its trickling down to these mainstream outlets that its gonna happen and pretty soon too. Brace for impact.
DenchDeckard
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Fortnite uses an Epic account though right. Maybe Sony will be open to an Xbox account on Gaas games/ Multi if Xbox does the same as these other accounts. Just sign into Xbox on booting automatically. I could see Sony allowing that, if they are allowing others.
Killjoy-NL
Member
DenchDeckard
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I wonder how petty it comes across if they dont allow it. When you have games like Apex (EA login) Fortnite (Epic Account) Ubisoft games even SOny games on PC needing account logins. In theory you are just letting your customer base down if you dont allow an xbox game like Sea Of Thieves on the platform because it has an xbox account login.
Do you think it would be shit for Sony to not allow an Xbox game on PS5 that required an xbox account, if it's multiplayer and Gaas and using Microsoft servers?
Killjoy-NL
Member
Contrary to Epic and EA, Xbox is still very much a direct competitor, even though they're crashing, right now.
People seem to forget that.
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Portugeezer
Member
MS wants to hurt PlayStation by releasing Redfall on the platform.
IGN maybe should have asked analytics here. They already know that Microsoft is already preparing PlayStation ports of Hellblade 2 and Indiana Jones 
It's almost like Microsoft was already and will be releasing their games on other consoles. Minecraft Legends, Minecraft Dungeons, TESO, Fallout 76, Call of Duty are and will be on PlayStation and Nintendo. I expect Odyssey (Blizzard survival game) and Kestrel (ZOS online game) to be on PlayStation day one and some games (like 6 years old Sea of Thieves which is live service) sprinkled here and there.
But that's about it. People who thinks Microsoft will start porting all their first-party games on PlayStation are just delusional.
Also. Analysts are saying that Game Pass 33,3 million subscribers? Not bad for service that is "not growing"
It's almost like what Spencer was telling was true, and Microsoft is deciding exclusivity of their games on "case-by-case" basis
It's almost like Microsoft was already and will be releasing their games on other consoles. Minecraft Legends, Minecraft Dungeons, TESO, Fallout 76, Call of Duty are and will be on PlayStation and Nintendo. I expect Odyssey (Blizzard survival game) and Kestrel (ZOS online game) to be on PlayStation day one and some games (like 6 years old Sea of Thieves which is live service) sprinkled here and there.
But that's about it. People who thinks Microsoft will start porting all their first-party games on PlayStation are just delusional.
Also. Analysts are saying that Game Pass 33,3 million subscribers? Not bad for service that is "not growing"
It's almost like what Spencer was telling was true, and Microsoft is deciding exclusivity of their games on "case-by-case" basis
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Copium?IGN maybe should have asked analytics here. They already know that Microsoft is already preparing PlayStation ports of Hellblade 2 and Indiana Jones
It's almost like Microsoft was already and will be releasing their games on other consoles. Minecraft Legends, Minecraft Dungeons, TESO, Fallout 76, Call of Duty are and will be on PlayStation and Nintendo. I expect Odyssey (Blizzard survival game) and Kestrel (ZOS online game) to be on PlayStation day one.
But that's about it. People who thinks Microsoft will start porting all their first-party games on PlayStation are just delusional.
Also. Analysts are saying that Game Pass 33,3 million subscribers? Not bad for service that is "not growing"
This was already to be expected ever since Sony said "no DRM" back in 2013.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Member
People are overthinking this. They already allow you to link your xbox account on Minecraft for crossplay. It being optional and not a requirement is the only caveat.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
One thing is shure...this is a boss over boss situation, and Phil has to do what Nadella tells him to do otherwise Phil will have a big problem if he would bring another message than Naddella...
Badlucktroll
Member
Anyone think they are gonna wheel out Phil to say something about all this at the direct today?
DenchDeckard
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It wont be an issue.
I am still convinced Microsoft are doing this song and dance to get ABK over the line next month for good, but no one seems to be clocking it.....