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Tobor said:
Just don't take my HAMMER!
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Hummer is dead.
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Just don't take my HAMMER!
To be fair, Hummers weren't as bad for the environment as people might think. A lot of the environmental cost comes from the component used to make the car, and Hummers last a long time. In fact, Hummers are better for the environment than a Prius, which wears out fairly quickly and uses components that are a nightmare for the environment in its comstruction (foamed nickel in the battery being one example).
Not trying to justify the existence of Hummers, which are still pretty wasteful cars, just saying that the situation isn't black and white. To be honest, no one really gives enough of a shit about the environment to really make much of a difference. If people really cared, they'd be vegetarian, stop having so many kids, take public transit, live in an apartment, not buy tons of high tech toys, never buy from a developing country and demand that the government plow money into green power. Even that would just be a start, if everyone did it.
Not trying to justify the existence of Hummers, which are still pretty wasteful cars, just saying that the situation isn't black and white. To be honest, no one really gives enough of a shit about the environment to really make much of a difference. If people really cared, they'd be vegetarian, stop having so many kids, take public transit, live in an apartment, not buy tons of high tech toys, never buy from a developing country and demand that the government plow money into green power. Even that would just be a start, if everyone did it.
Thats fine, whatever floats your boat. If someone can afford it, let them. No reason to be a judgemental asshole.Tobor said:
Completely subjective, some people like how they look. Not me personally, but some people. Some people also like how Alfa Romeos look, not me personally, but some people.
Shitty drivers drive all makes and models of vehicles. You just notice the people in Hummers because they stand out and don't look like every other run of the mill vehicle.
chaostrophy said:
This was the problem I think, a h2 was just a tahoe with a different body on top of it. At least with that one not too many people could tell unless someone told them or they looked it up, the Pontiac's and the Chevy's were the exact same cars, they didn't even try to change anything on them to make them appear different, and they wondered why their sales dropped.
Also didn't you previously get a HUGE tax break if you purchased a hummer, or if you were small business owner and got it for a company car, I remember hearing they ended up almost being free, then $4 a gallon gas came lol
daw840 said:
Sorry, but "do whatever you want because you can afford it" is not an acceptable answer in a civilized society. If it were, some rich guy would be driving an M1 Abrahams tank to work.
A shitty driver behind the wheel of a Hummer is more dangerous than the same driver behind the wheel of an Alfa Romeo. That's indisputable.
I'm not asking for the banning of large vehicles, mind you, but I do think vehicles of that size should require an advanced license, just like motorcycles and commercial vehicles.
CharlieDigital
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Tobor said:
Actually, this makes a lot of sense but would be difficult due to logistics. Like, if I bought a super-sized vehicle, would my wife have to get an advanced license, too? But it does make sense to ensure that operators of vehicles this size can prove that they can operate it safely.
Tobor said:
Yes, yes it does actually. Because if it doesn't, then we would only be able to have exactly what we "need." I don't need a house as big as I have, I don't need a big TV and a bunch of video games, I don't need to eat at that nice restaraunt, I don't need to <insert anything more than the bare necessities>
If that's how you want to live, and want everyone else to live I am very happy that you don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Fair enough, but it's a fairly minor difference. I worked in auto claims as a damage appraiser, I have seen the aftermath of thousands of accidents.
CharlieDigital said:
Absolutely. If you owned a tractor trailer, your wife couldn't operate that without her own license, for example.
daw840 said:
That is the way you live. There are plenty of vehicles you aren't allowed to own and operate right now, either because you don't have the necessary training/license, or they are a public hazard, or they can cause damage to public roadways through operation.
daw840 said:
Actually, many residential neighborhoods have weight restrictions to limit road damage, and some of the vehicles you mentioned violate them. It's just not enforced, unfortunately. I read a great article about this a few years ago, but I'd have to try and find it.
Ideally, like I said, I'd like to see that class of vehicle get an advanced license restriction, so at least the owners will receive some training.
Funky Papa
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An H2 is about as obtrusive as a fucking 18 wheeler unless you are driving another high riding car/truck.daw840 said:
Here's my point: roads are public spaces. If you act like you own them, your are a complete asshole, not unlike the Bluetooth tooting cunt that screams for his frappuccino at the top of his lungs while giving everyone else the stink eye.
Funky Papa
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That's the idea. You can't see shit driving behind one of them.daw840 said:
Funky Papa said:
Then don't follow so close?
I don't really understand what the hell people's problem is with seeing around bigger vehicles. Hang back a little and you can see around them just fine. The only time it's ever a problem is if your waiting to turn left, and a truck is waiting to turn left opposite you, thereby blocking your view of oncoming traffic. In that case, just wait until they move. This isn't a very frequent problem really.
daw840 said:
In my case, it's turning right and it happens every morning. See I'm going right but MR. F250 is going straight or left (who cares) I can't see incoming traffic because of the truck so I have to wait till their light turns green. That's precious time wasted every morning!
otake said:
Yeah, that's got more to do with assholes that pull up too far than it does with the specific vehicle. Really though, how much time are we talking here? 30 seconds? Do you leave yourself with margins so razor thin that 30 seconds really makes a difference? You gotta calm down man, this shits not worth having a heart attack over.
SouthernDragon
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This whole "Hummer drivers don't affect you, so whatever!" is a perfect illustration of the Tragedy of the Commons
SouthernDragon
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Also, I don't get what's so laughable about the Prius (which is at this point is a stand-in for hybrids and electrics). It's a more efficient car with excellent build quality (drive pedals not withstanding, of course).
Then there's the other cars. The Volt, the Leaf, Audi's E-Tron, Fisker's Karma, and Tesla's Roadster and Model S.
Some of these are family oriented, for hippies, hipsters, and college students, and some are just plain badass. They are faster and more efficient than other cars. What's not to like here? They also vary aetheatisally, so it's not like there's not a range to choose from, and same goes for price.
And we're just getting started!
So I don't see what's so funny about "lol prius!" It just reveals a hatred based on ideology and not a thought through stance.
Then there's the other cars. The Volt, the Leaf, Audi's E-Tron, Fisker's Karma, and Tesla's Roadster and Model S.
Some of these are family oriented, for hippies, hipsters, and college students, and some are just plain badass. They are faster and more efficient than other cars. What's not to like here? They also vary aetheatisally, so it's not like there's not a range to choose from, and same goes for price.
And we're just getting started!
So I don't see what's so funny about "lol prius!" It just reveals a hatred based on ideology and not a thought through stance.
CharlieDigital
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FlightOfHeaven said:
One view of this is that it's word association that is embedded in the minds of some via media figures who simply equate "Prius" and "Conservation" with ideologies/groups like "Liberals" and "Hippies". In reality, we should all be for fuel conservation, simply because that money is basically fueling the Middle East.
The other view of this is that, as would be expected of Conservatives, they are afraid of anything new and technologies that they don't understand. Hybrid engines? Electric cars? It's change and it's disruptive to a mindset that wants everything to stay the status quo.
SouthernDragon
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A valid concern, but folks who make this claim also often (but not always) voice that Priuses aren't as environmentally friendly because of the carbon emitted during the production processes.
I'd respond that we can't change the supply, production, and consumption line all at once. We have to change bits and pieces at a time. Eventually, more efficient batteries will be developed, and we could recycle them eventually for their components. But we have to start somewhere, at some point in the life cycle of the product.
I'd respond that we can't change the supply, production, and consumption line all at once. We have to change bits and pieces at a time. Eventually, more efficient batteries will be developed, and we could recycle them eventually for their components. But we have to start somewhere, at some point in the life cycle of the product.
timetokill
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Link1110 said:
Why do you hate the troops?
CharlieDigital
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timetokill said:
Those are HMMWV aka Humvees.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Mobility_Multipurpose_Wheeled_Vehicle
Hummer != Humvee
YuriLowell
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Thank god. IT COULD NOT HAPPEN FAST ENOUGH.
FU H2.
FU H2.
timetokill
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CharlieDigital said:
.. I guess it was a poor joke
twinturbo2
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DON'T MAKE THEM CRY. THEN I'LL CRY.daw840 said:
Back to Hummer... like Saab, GM got some 11th-hour deals for Hummer. Greenpeace's celebration was put on hold, pending the outcome.
http://jalopnik.com/5480242/hummer-not-dead-yet-gm-considering-other-offers
speculawyer
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Conservative Ideals Drive Hummer Ownership
* By Keith Barry Email Author
* September 24, 2009 |
2004 Hummer H2
A team of researchers has found that Hummer owners say their vehicle choice is strongly related to their personal morals. Of course, those morals are guns, guts and gas guzzlers.
According to an article published in the Journal of Consumer Research, Americans who believe in rugged individualism and the frontier myth see an H2 as John Wayne on wheels. As we studied American Hummer owners and their ideological beliefs, we found that they consider Hummer driving a highly moral consumption choice, the authors wrote. For Hummer owners it is possible to claim the moral high ground.
Researchers Marius Luedicke, Craig Thompson, and Markus Giesler interviewed 20 U.S.-born and raised Hummer owners who said their vehicles are rolling representations of their beliefs, the same way that environmentalists might be more likely to choose a Prius or Starbucks-haters might be proud to sit at an independent coffee shop.
Were only surprised that 20 Hummer owners answered phone calls from a European academic named Marius.
In the article, titled Consumer Identity Work as Moral Protagonism: How Myth and Ideology Animate a Brand-Mediated Moral Conflict, the researchers also interviewed Hummer haters. While the folks armed with digital cameras and middle fingers at FUH2.com may be more concerned about the environment than the Second Amendment, their criticism of the Hummer is similarly steeped in their own personal beliefs. Unfortunately for the Hummer haters, the moral indignation they bring to the debate may actually be driving up Hummer sales.
Our analysis of the underlying American identity discourses revealed that being under siege by (moral) critics is an historically established feature of being an American, the authors wrote. The moralistic critique of their consumption choices readily inspired Hummer owners to adopt the role of the moral protagonist who defends American national ideals.
Emboldened by the cavalcade of hate unleashed upon them by East Coast elites whove never even made their own gun racks, Hummer owners may be embracing the very stereotypes their vehicles confer on them in order to prove their full-blooded American-ness. Similarly, like-minded individuals may seek out Hummer ownership to prove and show off their beliefs. We wonder if theyll feel the same way when those H2s are built by a company called Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery.
While were not sure of the statistical merit of such a small study, its at least a convenient explanation of why more than one dealer has tied in firearms ownership with the total Hummer experience.
Photo: General Motors. Hummer owners drive gas guzzling monstrosities because they love America.
Read More http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/09/conservative-ideology-drives-hummer-ownership/#ixzz0ga4LwJw4
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/09/conservative-ideology-drives-hummer-ownership/
Hummer is dead.
Prius sales:
Hybrid car sales:
How is that gassy guzzly thing workin' out for ya?
The free market has spoken.
highroller
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Has this effected gas prices yet? I can see them perhaps dropping a little bit knowing the cars with the worst mileage aren't being made anymore.
CharlieDigital
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speculawyer said:
Of course, the funny part about this is their strong identification with their vehicle choice and what type of reaction they had when 1) the brand was axed by GM, 2) it was going to be possibly sold to a Chinese company, 3) now that it's finally dead. What does it say about their ideology, moral consumption choices, and belief systems and how does it affect them? How do they feel knowing they were one party of enablers of GM's downfall? That would be an interesting follow up study.
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