No. A EULA does not override the law and it never will.
If none of this would hold up in court, what's the point of disagreeing?
No. A EULA does not override the law and it never will.
Fuck Steam, Valve should just split off the business if they're going to go down this road.I am travelling August 2-24. I will be on email intermittently.
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Because it's anti consumer. Not everyone is familiar with the law. It's pretty complex. When they cite a problem with customer support you get "well you signed this EULA, sorry" and most people go "oh, well I guess it's my fault" when in fact it is not legally binding and they have rights. Sure we can't expect companies to advertise your rights when it is against their interests, but this EULA shit is downright deceptive in some parts of the world. Sorry America your justice system is beyond repair.If none of this would hold up in court, what's the point of disagreeing?
If none of this would hold up in court, what's the point of disagreeing?
I believe they actually allow banned accounts access to their already purchased games, so I'm not sure why they remove all your games and essentially delete your account if you don't accept the new agreement.Bothers me somewhat that they can just up and change the terms after the fact and hold your account and all attached games purchased under different terms hostage. They need to provide an actual proper way of opting out of this while retaining access to your account and previously purchased games.
And now I'm gonna tell Valve that.
Steer clear of Origin threads thenI really love Steam and have hundreds of games there but reading this thread, I realize it has turned some PC gamers in the same drones you find in console wars.
But I'll actually own my copies.
It is hard to defend this. I agree to the terms on Monday and buy a game. Then they change the terms on Tuesday and if I don't agree, then suddenly I don't own anything anymore? Screw that. If any other company tried that, people would flip the fuck out.
I really love Steam and have hundreds of games there but reading this thread, I realize it has turned some PC gamers in the same drones you find in console wars.
You should definitely start pointing specific names and reasons for a statement like that or just shut up, because this post essentially reads like some timid attempt to belittling everyone with an opinion you don't like without exposing yourself too much.I really love Steam and have hundreds of games there but reading this thread, I realize it has turned some PC gamers in the same drones you find in console wars.
i agree but Steamworks.Retail>digital confirmed.
Something odd:
So even if you disagree, you can't sue (section 12 is the waiver)?
It's a completely valid comment and they shouldn't need to personalise it, turning it into a user shit throwing contest. It's trivial when you can see which users do not care about the issue, and will defend businesses citing the status quo. Hardly surprisingly when journalists themselves do it, so detached they have become from the consumer population they speak to.You should definitely start pointing specific names and reasons for a statement like that or just shut up, because this post essentially reads like some timid attempt to belittling everyone with an opinion you don't like without exposing yourself too much.
i agree but Steamworks.
edit: oh.. when you go to buy a game on Steam how does it present itself? Does it say Buy or Purchase?
Seems like a vulnerability to me.Purchase.
Lol, he doesn't need to this post validates his point.You should definitely start pointing specific names and reasons for a statement like that or just shut up, because this post essentially reads like some timid attempt to belittling everyone with an opinion you don't like without exposing yourself too much.
Keep it Retail. Let's Get Physical (Copies of Our Games)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451940
digital buyers should be ok with the fact they own nothing
the reason i will never buy anything digital
hell i don't even buy DLC for the exact reason
all these steam buyers could lose everything depending on valve's mercy on any given day
i aint participating in that crap
Fuck digital only future
That is all
I am closing my Steam account. I didn't do a lot of multiplayer there, so I'm not going to miss it much. I will rebuy the games I owned as used console games (I feel less guilty about the used purchase since I already paid new for the downloads.)
Will also rebuy my PSN Classics and Xbox Originals as physical discs sometime down the road as well.
Kindle books will have to wait though, way too many of those and too little physical space .
Keep it retail!
You're at the mercy of every game company, retail or digital.
Hope you kept a PS2 this generation or I hope your 60gb PS3 didn't die. Even if they didn't can you count on having/finding a working PS2 15 years from now? 30 years? Your ownership of physical games is just as shaky.
digital buyers should be ok with the fact they own nothing
the reason i will never buy anything digital
hell i don't even buy DLC for the exact reason
all these steam buyers could lose everything depending on valve's mercy on any given day
i aint participating in that crap
You're at the mercy of every game company, retail or digital.
Hope you kept a PS2 this generation or I hope your 60gb PS3 didn't die. Even if they didn't can you count on having/finding a working PS2 15 years from now? 30 years? Your ownership of physical games is just as shaky.
How about you read my half-dozen posts in this thread about your rights in Australia?RustyO said:Cute, but not legally enforceable in my juridstiction (again, afaik, and Australia); and couldn't see that on a quick search anyway.
countless people still have their NES/SNES collections from when they were kids
buying a 20+ year old NES also takes 5 min on ebay should the console brake (many still work)
good luck with steam in 20+ years
Excuse me, but why would Valve take away our games one day? I was under the impression that valve likes our money.
So Steam is evil in a special, unique way, how?
digital buyers should be ok with the fact they own nothing
the reason i will never buy anything digital
hell i don't even buy DLC for the exact reason
all these steam buyers could lose everything depending on valve's mercy on any given day
i aint participating in that crap
It´s funny to see how people seem to forget what digital distribution, through Steam and other sources, have done for the PC as a games platform, as soon as they encounter a problem with it. But if you don´t actually care about what you play, I guess you can go back to physical console copies.
We should never be afraid of discussions, and try to improve what we feel is wrong (I don´t like Accept/Exit dialogues either), but if we can´t learn to take the good with the bad, we will never be able to have nice things.
Fuck yeah Europe.
You can say that but I'd be willing to bet my copies will last longer than yours will. This is a small change that will result in nothing different happening from normal day to day life. Unless you were planning on suing Valve for no reason that is.
Seizure by government agencies is not the same as the store locking you out of your purchases.You don't own anything. The police could come to your door right now and take all your belongings. Your video games could not work on next gen systems. You system could break down and no one will have a replacement you can buy.
No. A EULA does not override the law and it never will.
They are locking people out of games that they have purchased with real money.
Don't want to accept the new TOS? Fine. Your account is now locked and you will no longer be able to purchase any new content. This would be acceptable.
Don't want to accept the new TOS? Lol no. Everything you've ever purchased from us is gone. This is not acceptable and even more evil than anything EA has done. It's absolute bullshit and no one should defend what they're doing.
You're at the mercy of every game company, retail or digital.
Hope you kept a PS2 this generation or I hope your 60gb PS3 didn't die. Even if they didn't can you count on having/finding a working PS2 15 years from now? 30 years? Your ownership of physical games is just as shaky.
countless people still have their NES/SNES collections from when they were kids
buying a 20+ year old NES also takes 5 min on ebay should the console brake (many still work)
good luck with steam in 20+ years
Excuse me, but why would Valve take away our games one day? I was under the impression that valve likes our money.
What is gonna happen in 20+ years?
What is gonna happen in 20+ years?
And what has this to do with the current digital sales?
Well, I'm going back to buying boxed PC games.