Glad I switched over to origin.
What the fuck.
-.-
Inhumane disgusting, Kids remember buy dvd copies of games.
It might be an overreaction to you, and i accept that different people have different tolerance levels, but can you see why this move can make people feel this way? Forget the content of the TOS for a moment.. the money people have put into Steam is being held hostage by this new agreement. Chances are high that most people angered by this would not have been so if Valve had presented things differently other than the Darth Vader "Pray I don't alter it any further" way.Nothing, but then again neither does this new ToS. The only people losing their games in this thread are the people who are choosing to overreact and shut down their accounts. This debate in question is all hypothetical and future talk, people are assuming one day Valve will press the business suicide button and shut everyone's accounts down or something. For right now retail has no ownership bonuses over digital. I can play my 400 games as easily as you can play your retail stuff right now. The people against this are assuming something apocalyptic will happen in the future.
You don't own anything. The police could come to your door right now and take all your belongings. Your video games could not work on next gen systems. You system could break down and no one will have a replacement you can buy.
The people against this are assuming something apocalyptic will happen in the future.
All the more reason to buy used and pay as absolutely little as possible for any games ever.
Ownership is an illusion. Money is just something we give people to feel better about ourselves. The qucker people realise this the quicker they'll stop worrying about things as insignificant as Steam Subscriber Agreements.
It´s funny to see how people seem to forget what digital distribution, through Steam and other sources, have done for the PC as a games platform, as soon as they encounter a problem with it. But if you don´t actually care about what you play, I guess you can go back to physical console copies.
We should never be afraid of discussions, and try to improve what we feel is wrong (I don´t like Accept/Exit dialogues either), but if we can´t learn to take the good with the bad, we will never be able to have nice things.
Mark my words: people crying that they own retail games will be in for a shock next generation.
Steam is so convenient. But yeah, Valve is not perfect. They should be treated just like any other major company when it comes to this. Most of us have spent hundreds and thousands of dollars on their platform, yet we're still at the mercy of EULAs and being locked out of everything.digital buyers should be ok with the fact they own nothing
the reason i will never buy anything digital
hell i don't even buy DLC for the exact reason
all these steam buyers could lose everything depending on valve's mercy on any given day
i aint participating in that crap
For the good of gaming we can only hope. The faster the Proctor and Gamble people lose their fortunes in gaming the faster they will leave.Mark my words: people crying that they own retail games will be in for a shock next generation.
Steam is so convenient. But yeah, Valve is not perfect. They should be treated just like any other major company when it comes to this. Most of us have spent hundreds and thousands of dollars on their platform, yet we're still at the mercy of EULAs and being locked out of everything.
That support person in the OP is an ass for even bringing up an account removal. Pretty much sign the agreement or die!
Now I'm officially scared.Technically they are only DRM free because of a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT.
I just want to make sure we all understand that. If it wasn't for the CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT cds would still have hidden drm you didn't know you were installing.
"Sony BMG has struck a deal with the plaintiffs in a class action lawsuit over copy-restriction software it used in music CDs, according to a settlement document filed at a New York court Wednesday." Is one such example.
" In the settlement filing, Sony states that it will immediately recall all XCP CDs and replace them with non-content-protected CDs. It has also agreed to offer incentives to U.S. customers to "ensure that XCP CDs are promptly removed from the market." Sony first released details about its CD recall scheme in late November. "
Source: http://news.cnet.com/Sony-settles-rootkit-class-action-lawsuit/2100-1002_3-6012173.html
This is but one example of CLASS ACTION LAWSUITS protecting the consumer from harmful DRM.
Indeed. People just have to vote with their wallets, and actually follow through.So will developers and publishers who insist we don't.
Indeed. People just have to vote with their wallets, and actually follow through.
Devs are already missing my money this gen by making all first-person games, shooters and shit. I probably spend $500 on retro games for every $100 I spend on new stuff.
And that all goes 100% to the reseller. Many people I know do the same. Gamestop, Disc Replay and eBay see more of my money than Best Buy, Steam and PSN combined.
So who expected Valve (or any other company) to say "OK, since you won't agree to these new terms, we'll close your account and refund you for every last cent. It's only fair!"
I'd go through the thread to check but this topic has really worn me out over the last few days.
If it's that simple, why do they need to restrict their customers? Class action lawsuits may aswell be allowed as no gamer is ever suing anyway.Did anyone ever plan on suing Valve in a class action lawsuit? No.
I will never understand the whiny opinions of gamers. Did anyone ever plan on suing Valve in a class action lawsuit? No. So who gives a shit. Just click accept and move on.
I don't try for complete sets, but I collect stuff I like for various systems.Do what I did. Retro Gamer hardware guides - pick a platform or two - collect. Much less stressful than worrying about various platform holders today gutting your collection and stopping you from playing games you paid for on a whim.
Plus you get to discover gems you missed first time around.
So Valve should come up with a way for people who declined the EULA to still download and play the games they already owned at the time the EULA went up? Seems like a lot of work for something that will affect so few, not to mention that they'd be doing this for people who will no longer buy stuff through Steamnobody in their right mind expects that
but disagreeing with these terms should let you retain ownership of the games you have bought, as well as the ability to play them.
You should definitely start pointing specific names and reasons for a statement like that or just shut up, because this post essentially reads like some timid attempt to belittling everyone with an opinion you don't like without exposing yourself too much.
I see the one valve/steam hate thread about this wasn't good enough. And I see that people are again ignoring that most everyone else in gaming and beyond does this just to criticize steam..
They already have that other way for people with banned steam accounts who are still allowed to access their existing steam library. No reason why they can't do the same for users who refuse to accept this.So Valve should come up with a way for people who declined the EULA to still download and play the games they already owned at the time the EULA went up? Seems like a lot of work for something that will affect so few, not to mention that they'd be doing this for people who will no longer buy stuff through Steam
The class action restriction sucks but it's an unenforceable EULA which generally means nothing in court.
Wait, are you guys hoping that Valve removes the DRM from an account that declines the EULA? Every single publisher in the world would sue for that.
Ah, I forgot about that. If those people can still download games they owned before the ban, Valve should absolutely do the same for people who decline the EULA. Thread solved!They already have that other way for people with banned steam accounts who are still allowed to access their existing steam library. No reason why they can't do the same for users who refuse to accept this.
I will never understand the whiny opinions of gamers. Did anyone ever plan on suing Valve in a class action lawsuit? No. So who gives a shit. Just click accept and move on.
So we're not really owning our digital games? I quit gaming.
The games in your account will not be available for future use. It is impossible to make your games available once your account has been deactivated
This is why console gaming > PC gaming.
Nah.This is why console gaming > PC gaming.
I will never understand the whiny opinions of gamers. Did anyone ever plan on suing Valve in a class action lawsuit? No. So who gives a shit. Just click accept and move on.
This is why console gaming > PC gaming.
correct me if i'm wrong, but quickly scanning through the thread, people are actually complaining about things that have been part of the service agreement for years. isn't the only new part of the agreement is the part where you can't sue? at least to me, that seems like a relatively minor detail.I don't see why people have a problem with this. Did people really expect to be able to disagree with the Terms and carry on like normal?
Valve aren't suddenly going to take away your games. You disagree to the new terms, you don't get to use steam, just like when you make a new account - you don't keep using the Old terms.