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IGN Leaks: Guild Wars 2 core game going f2p, raids being added
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CyberPunked
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I really enjoyed Guild Wars 2 when it launched because a lot of the quests are much more fun when they're loads of other people around you doing the same one. Kinda the opposite of WoW.
Nah, this is much older than a month ago, it's from October or November IIRC. GW2 actually had a free weekend back in April which seemed to be welll received, so I particularly believe this is not going to be the full base game but the trial client available all the time, kinda like what WoW does.
Vigilant Walrus
Member
Like every online game- the strength of it relies on who you are playing with, and there is plenty of group, support and tanking going on in dungeons and fractals.
The META among veterans / hardcore players, is not how many people play. For example, I don't play like that ever in dungeons. I don't think it's fun, but I understand why many like the high risk / high reward playstyle. It's not a problem to find dungeons that favor well rounded groups.
The META attracts people who want to curb the skill ceiling and are interested in min-maxing. It's not conducive to surviability in many of the game facets.
With that being said, Anet has acknowledged that the enemies in GW2 haven't done enough to press people to use their support abillities. Right now it's mostly debuff DoTs, cleanses, stacking, buffs and that sort of stuff.
For HoT they have hired Dave Mark who supposedly have created some fancy new A.I we will be seeing.
Not enough developers (in general) pay attention to making smarter enemies. In GW1 enemies were legendary for being aggressive. It really set a pace.
In GW2 they have to balance the massive skill ceiling between many of the casual players who barely pay attention, and the people who play at a extremely high level.
What I am looking forward to is the Fractal Dungeon improvements. The fractals are these rotating mini dungeons, transforming you to different historic events. Lots of cool improvements being made.
RipperGrim
Member
That tweet is hilarious!
Lol ^^
I can't tell if that is an insult or not. Skritt are awesome.
They're also pretty much rats who can't keep their eyes or hands off shiny things.
Enough said.
Lol ^^
You win this day ANet. You win.
silvermember
Banned
Its f2p similar to wow.
In that there's a level cap because I thought Guild Wars was subscription free.
vitalogy11
Member
I'd love to go back and play Guild Wars 2 again. Absolutely loved the first one. I haven't enjoyed MEANINGFUL exploration in a game since... when I used to play WoW? 1.0 / 2.0?
If they keep adding new areas, consistently, I'll come back and try it all out! Love me those jumping puzzles!
Did you try Elders Scroll Online, the exploration and the PVP are almost Incidental. The combat is even a shade bit more fun in Elders Scrolls. It also has a lot more voice acting if that was a part you liked too.
Frecklestein
Banned
So what happens to those of us who bought the game..?
I love you guys more than GW2.
no, really, I have thousands of hours on GW1, but maybe 50h on GW2
Vigilant Walrus
Member
Well, I'm not gonna roast you for it, for I have seen many players who are not good at it, but it really becomes second nature once you get it under your skin.
The game becomes very different with something called Imersive Combat Mod, which turns the combat into a free-aim sort of game, with a fixed camera. It's really nice. you can see a video of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VwlhM4rL2A
highly recommended
King Gilga
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After what a clusterfuck the dungeons in gw2 were I have 0 interest in raiding in that game.
I'll also add to the GW1>>>>>>>>>GW2 chain, loved that game, not that I don't like 2.
I'll also add to the GW1>>>>>>>>>GW2 chain, loved that game, not that I don't like 2.
Most usually bind the dodge button to the middle mouse button. You just need to get a feel for when to dodge. Go pvp and spectate a few games and watch their movements. Some people are really good at evading and negating damage.
Might give you an idea on how to stay alive longer.
Lol ^^
Lol, 2 hours ago I watched the "Everyone's A Rat" GTA4 trailer and had to laugh now xD
I understand some people are turned off by the lack of a trinity-centered combat, but it's important to mention that GW2's combat is not chaotic in any sense just because you don't have a "tank". GW2's combat favors synergy and understand what your allies bring as much as a trinity game, and just because one can heal themselves, I think people assume there is a lack of roles. That's wrong, because all GW2 classes are unique and bring something to the table. The GW2 combat also spoiled me from MMOs like FFXIV, so I have to admit that I may be biased, but I can certainly tell that the combat can be as dynamic, cooperative and interesting as any trinity MMO. Or at least, my experience with my friends prove that to me.
Raid content in particular is interesting to me and my friends because we are looking for new ways to be challenged and rewarded. At no point do we fear GW2's combat underdelivering in that aspect.
Raid content in particular is interesting to me and my friends because we are looking for new ways to be challenged and rewarded. At no point do we fear GW2's combat underdelivering in that aspect.
Murder. She Wrote
Member
I hate the combat in this game and it has nothing to do with the tribity. I'm really curious to see how their raids are. Hopefully no more ridiculous boss health pools.
texhnolyze
Banned
I gave up GW2 because of the messed up dungeon system, it's not fun at all.
I don't even think about raiding in GW2, it would be a torture.
I don't even think about raiding in GW2, it would be a torture.
It depends on what your gaming tastes are; clearly lots of players find the alternative they've provided compelling or the game wouldn't be doing as well as it is three years after launch.
The thing about Guild Wars 2's combat is that it's all about self-sufficiency and indirect cooperation. Trinity-based games generally have a Tank who keeps the enemy focused exclusively on them, whereas in GW2 every player must pay attention to where the enemy is and what they're doing, and use abilities that control the enemy's movement and ability to cause harm. Likewise with healing; instead of a player being designated as a Healer and being responsible for everyone's health through reactive heal spells, GW2 gives every player their own self-healing ability and ways to mitigate damage pro-actively (dodging, skills and buffs that block/reduce damage, debuffs that weaken enemies or cause them to miss).
For people coming from highly-regimented Trinity-based games where every player has a very narrow and specific per-determined role, suddenly having to fulfill all three roles without any single individual bearing the brunt of the responsibility is going to come across as total chaos. Nobody controls the enemy for you or keeps you alive while you get hurt; it's all on the individual. Yes, it's total chaos, but for some folks chaos is a lot more fun.
It doesn't mean the Trinity is bad or GW2's approach is good, it's just different, and different players are going to like or dislike it based on personal preference. So when you see responses like the ones that populate this thread, all that really means is that Guild Wars 2 is just not for them, but that doesn't mean it might not be for you. For whatever reason, they just seem to have trouble expressing that sentiment without being derogatory.
Agreed. No dedicated healers or tanks makes the PvE in this game terrible.
Bry0
Member
I've grown to enjoy how gw2 plays. I went back to WoW because I had a free 7 days of playtime, and couldn't stand the dungeons. Slow, boring, just stand in one spot pressing the same buttons.
Once I got used to the chaos in gw2 I don't think I can go back. The game has awesome combat and a lot of fun different things to do. I am imagining that the "raids" will be something like tequatl, but instanced and more difficult.
The game plays at a different pace that I think a lot of people aren't used to.
Once I got used to the chaos in gw2 I don't think I can go back. The game has awesome combat and a lot of fun different things to do. I am imagining that the "raids" will be something like tequatl, but instanced and more difficult.
The game plays at a different pace that I think a lot of people aren't used to.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Pretty much. I don't think these will be wow style raids. I'm thinking a combo of Teq or marionette style fights combined with the stuff you see in a guild puzzle or the tower of nightmares.
KiteGr
Member
I've been playing since Launch with huge gaps in the middle.
I think by F2P they mean Free Endless trial mode...
Anyway... haven't seen the Video my self.
Their initial Dungeon's Sucked.
Their few later additions (Twilight Assault, Molten Facility, Eatherblade hideout) where Much much better, but 2 of them where temporary, and became a butchered fractal, and the one true dungeon doesn't get much play for lacking meaningful rewards that represents it's difficulty.
I think by F2P they mean Free Endless trial mode...
Anyway... haven't seen the Video my self.
Their initial Dungeon's Sucked.
Their few later additions (Twilight Assault, Molten Facility, Eatherblade hideout) where Much much better, but 2 of them where temporary, and became a butchered fractal, and the one true dungeon doesn't get much play for lacking meaningful rewards that represents it's difficulty.
Bry0
Member
Sounds about right. I think the bigger mystery, for me at least, is what will the rewards be?
Ascended gear? Gold? Lots of xp to boost up mastery tracks?
Hmm or maybe something new?
GW PvP was so damn good.
Pretty much this.
The great thing is assuming IGN isn't totally wrong (dangerous, I know) the base game will be free in some capacity which means people will be able to play it and decide whether GW2 suits them or not. I think this will be very helpful, especially for a lot of GAF who aren't very familiar with MMOs since they won't have any preconceptions of how the game "should" play based on prior experience with more traditionally styled games.
To each his or her own for sure with this point.
irfaanator
Banned
I thought they didnt want instanced dungeons based on how they moved away from all that w/ all the world bosses/events they added
At this point we have literally no idea what ArenaNet is adding beyond "challenging group content." IGN's leaked (and since deleted) tweet is the only time the term "raiding" has ever been mentioned (outside of a job posting a year ago). We have no idea if it's instanced or not, we won't know until their presentation at PAX on Saturday.
Here's the details; https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-wars-2the-journey-ahead-at-pax-prime-2015/
Should probably have that added to the OT since it's likely to cause a lot of confusion... or we can just create a new thread when it's officially unveiled, I guess.
Mr_Antimatter
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Knowing them? Some form of token you can use to buy exotic or ascended gear, with unique skins. Maybe added guild token as well.
anothertech
Member
I like not having the trinity. I play it with my brothers like Diablo.
Just run in the there and give the best you got, forget who is responsible for this job or that job. It's a breath of fresh air.
The only thing that is stale about the game is the limited options in PVP. Basically making every game a conquest game. There should have been SO much more to it.
But the trinity? Just go back to every other MMO ever made out there. I can do without, thx.
Just run in the there and give the best you got, forget who is responsible for this job or that job. It's a breath of fresh air.
The only thing that is stale about the game is the limited options in PVP. Basically making every game a conquest game. There should have been SO much more to it.
But the trinity? Just go back to every other MMO ever made out there. I can do without, thx.
Ploid 3.0
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Yep, even early GW2 doing a dungeon with my old FFXI guild members, we started working together with the tools that our GW2 classes provided. I was on thief so my blinds worked pretty good to help protect my party from getting hit often, and I checked to see who else had some kind of blind and we made a rotation. For a NPC we had to protect some classes were better at pulling, defending the NPC with aoe heal if it got hit, and some were good at trying to burn the spawning mobs down before it reached the npc.
I never did dungeons outside of that group, but I saw the fact that there could be team work without a dedicated tank, healer, or DPS. Heck in FFXI it wasn't really set in stone which class did what. A Thief could tank, ninja became a tank, and paladins could heal, or dps if geared that way. The PLD thing probably wouldn't be as effective as a main white mage, or Samurai at healing and dps but they had options.
I did that big dragon fight one time. The people in the world was working together and communicating a lot (the Tequila or whatever fight that is bigger than the normal world dragons). I was impressed. I also like that I can see when things will spawn on my phone. So good.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
The two new zones are pretty neat. Silverwastes can be very profitable as well.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Keep in mind, this would be the base game. Not the expansion, which also includes the base game.
Thing is if it's that, it will be utterly disappointing.
The biggest difficulty in those fights right now is not the mechanics of the fight themselves, but simply to get enough people in the map and have them actually perform the very simple tasks required and not just stand there half-AFK.
That's not what 'challenging group content' or any Raid for that matter should be about.
They did a big mistake when they added the Aetherpath dungeon with only low-chance RNG unique rewards, and I'm pretty sure they won't be making that mistake again.
If their rework of Fractals (and what we saw from Living World Season 2) is of any indication, rewards will certainly consist of things like : Gold +Unique weapon and armor skins, dropped randomly, and craftable/buyable for tokens you'll find in this part of the content, to be able to progress towards getting the item in a more reliable way.
For more open-world content they also added 'scavenger-hunt' type quests that will make you travel all around the world to find things or craft/imbue things with power to craft a specific item that can't be traded or sold, basically an epic quest, rather than just boring gold or material farming.
See Mawdrey
A similar system will also be implemented for Precursor weapons, old and new (used to craft legendaries) come the expansion.
You'll certainly also get your occasional ascended chest along the way, now that they announced that you'll be able to salvage ascended items.
Just an FYI about ascended items, they recently added a mystic forge recipe to be able to swap stats on ascended armor/weapons.
You can also safely bet on the occasional mini/tonic or silly useless item.
That's actually very true, even in the quite sorry state of dungeon (speed)farming today where builds are mostly around fast DPS, those Meta builds also incorporate as much support as they possibly can, to increase dmage of course, but also to be able to protect players from getting hit, with blinds, protection, reflects and such.
If fights were less about LOS-ing brain-dead mobs into a corner and cleave them to death, there would be some interesting plays to be made. (more along the lines of what you can sometimes see in sPVP)
Even if the core games becomes free they're still selling the expansion for the price of a new full game.
mcz117chief
Member
If they could only make GW1 free to play. I would have no trouble convincing friends to at least try it
