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IGN Rumor: Xbox 3 GPU ~= AMD 6670, Wii U ~5x current gen, Xbox 3 ~6x, Dev Kits August
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BrokenSymmetry
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This point can not be underestimated. For a living-room appliance, used for many more things than games, it's crucial that it is as silent as possible. Even the 360 slim can be too noisy at times (compared to a DVD-player, for example).
They'll sell it to people who own 360s.
TAJ
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This argument again...
Does someone need to post screens of the full-detail assets from this gen that are dumbed down to be practical on current consoles?
Less than the theoretical limits imposed by manufacturing and common sense =/= slight
It means you wouldn't need 3 consoles to do multi-monitor Forza.
I think we're reaching a point where processing power doesn't really matter anymore. If the devs can't keep up with all this technology why should anyone care if it has 10 times the power or 20 times? I don't want games to take 5 years to develop every time. I think this will be a nice middle ground for developers where they can build on the knowledge they gained this gen and work more efficiently next gen.
You make a lot of sense. Early Xbox 360 dev kits had X800's, which was an older generation GPU than the system ended up with?
Risk Breaker
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Then make it a cheaper and cooler 6870 and have all multiplat games feature 720p+4xMSAA @ 60fps or 1080p @ 60 instead of x2MSAA at 30fps or something.
Personally I am fine with these specs, it should allow for a significant boost in graphics whilst keeping costs of the consoles down.
Losing money on hardware isn't a good business model anymore imo, especially in the age of cheap and plentiful GPU power. For the sake of gaming, these devices really need to be profitable.
Losing money on hardware isn't a good business model anymore imo, especially in the age of cheap and plentiful GPU power. For the sake of gaming, these devices really need to be profitable.
This is my thinking too. The new ATI cards are much better designed than the their other DX11 cards in every way and meet DX11.1 specs.
This makes sense to me. Microsoft's advantages re: Live give them a serious edge in platform preference for multiplatform software. To maximize this benefit, their hardware should be closely comparable to at least one competitor. This can be much more reliably accomplished by aiming to beat Nintendo's console than taking a pot-shot at Sony's moving target.
It'll only take 5 years to develop the first time. Then we'll get yearly updates that they call sequels.
Father_Brain
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And I'm sure you and quite a few others on NeoGAF would, but that won't exactly amount to a massive advantage for Sony as far as the broader market is concerned.
Oh man someone needs to show you a pc game.
John Harker
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Good. Keep power relatively in check. Need to keep software budgets from ballooning even more than they already have. That way we can get more games. People shouting for 10X power levels will doom release schedules to a dry wasteland.
In this case, more is not better. Stop being part of the problem!
In this case, more is not better. Stop being part of the problem!
Like I'm thinking there will be customization making it so it's literally not a raw 6000 series card getting into the console and as such there'll be things to accommodate for the technical progression, but at the same time, everything about the 7000 series sounds so scarily/coincidentally poised to be in a console that I find this rumor both strange yet oddly compelling.
It's still a rumor, but damn something is telling me this might be true.
This much however is a given. So many folks are going to commit gaming enthusiast suicide over the coming months if things don't change regarding next gen consoles and their rumored deadlines.
Believe.
stuttery framerates make good games worse. I guess that doesn't count as a "game" though.
Good. Keep power relatively in check. Need to keep software budgets from ballooning even more than they already have. That way we can get more games. People shouting for 10X power levels will doom release schedules to a dry wasteland.
In this case, more is not better. Stop being part of the problem!
Agreed. Better hardware is a surprisingly small part of the equation when it comes to making the next generation better than this one.
Plinko
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Good. Keep power relatively in check. Need to keep software budgets from ballooning even more than they already have. That way we can get more games. People shouting for 10X power levels will doom release schedules to a dry wasteland.
In this case, more is not better. Stop being part of the problem!
Agree completely.
MS is doing the right thing, if true. It allows them to keep costs low and release the console for a lower pricepoint--a HUGE issue in today's economy.
Doc Holliday
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Ugh people are still comparing PC tech to Console tech 1:1... They are not the same! just because your pc struggles with games on a 6670 doesn't mean a brand new console will. Who knows customized this chip is, how it's connected to the cpu or the kind of ram that it has.
Microsoft made huge strides in console design since the xbox, I bet they will be very smart this time around.
Microsoft made huge strides in console design since the xbox, I bet they will be very smart this time around.
This exiting because WiiU and 720 will be very close, the gap will not be noticeable. Do you really think that Sony will go $500 show again? Developers will set their standart according the both WiiU/720, not the odd one anyway.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
360 already hit that with balls-to-the-wall power for the time. $299.99 for this in a year or two would be really overpriced.
Sapphire Dreams
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I won't be too surprised, games are becoming way too expensive to develop, so a not very big leap forward might be cost effective for devs.
But it just doesn't make any sense. A 7000-series part would be more cost effective, faster(more powerful whatever) and not generate as much heat as a 6000-series counterpart. There's no reason for Microsoft to use a 6000-series chip if they're launching fall 2013. Fall 2012 for this chipset is debatable but still unlikely given the advances of the 7000-series.
GAF is going to explode if Wii U really is only slightly weaker than Xbox 3.
This seems pretty realistic to me, people need to realize that with the size and power requirements for consoles, you really cannot compete with high-end PCs any more. They just require too much power and cooling. And I don't think it's terribly important for console makers from a marketshare standpoint.
This seems pretty realistic to me, people need to realize that with the size and power requirements for consoles, you really cannot compete with high-end PCs any more. They just require too much power and cooling. And I don't think it's terribly important for console makers from a marketshare standpoint.
gundamkyoukai
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Guess they want a really cheap system.
Also why do people think Sony going have some under power system , Vita shows us that while they won't go crazy anymore they will have pretty good system in term of specs.
Also why do people think Sony going have some under power system , Vita shows us that while they won't go crazy anymore they will have pretty good system in term of specs.
This is what I was hoping for. Wii U being the PS2 of next gen is perfect for me.
east of eastside
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What kind of power consumption and overall system TDP can be expected from this gpu?
Good. Keep power relatively in check. Need to keep software budgets from ballooning even more than they already have. That way we can get more games. People shouting for 10X power levels will doom release schedules to a dry wasteland.
In this case, more is not better. Stop being part of the problem!
Ey, listen to this man GAF.
[Nintex];34539670 said:
Oh, I still think IGN's specs and timeline are bogus. I'm just saying that a new console with more modest hardware wouldn't be the end of the world.
What next-gen consoles really need is a powerful, accessible DD platform. Let devs of all shapes and sizes release games from $1 to $60. Let them do subscriptions. Let them do F2P. Let them fund-develop/crowdsource stuff. Just end the AAA hegemony for Chrissakes.
Good. Keep power relatively in check. Need to keep software budgets from ballooning even more than they already have. That way we can get more games. People shouting for 10X power levels will doom release schedules to a dry wasteland.
In this case, more is not better. Stop being part of the problem!
Why have power when you can have profit!
I believe people would be much more willing to pay more for an experience that cannot be achieved on 360. People are not willing to pay more for games that look slightly better than what they could play on current gen systems. Not to mention the games would start looking like crap even compared to mid-range PCs in late 2013/early 2014.
Do not underestimate people's desire for the new, high powered shit.
Why would they do that? I say $299 base and $350-399 Pro model.
Good. Keep power relatively in check. Need to keep software budgets from ballooning even more than they already have. That way we can get more games. People shouting for 10X power levels will doom release schedules to a dry wasteland.
In this case, more is not better. Stop being part of the problem!
Yeah this. Gimme games, not horsepower that isn't going to show it's potential the first few years anyway.
100 watt at most.
GTX 580 is a monster, I don't see any consoles happening with that in it or anything equivalent really. ~ >560Ti is the highest I'd reason a chance at.
That being said console makers kinda hate nVidia lately.
If the Wii U has a good internet system Microsoft is basically ceding their market to Nintendo.
It's not like Nintendo can't afford to throw money at Activision the same way they upset the Monster Hunter cart.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
They'll be so underpowered by 2017 that I probably will actually cry.
The writing has been on the wall for awhile. Microsoft Senior staff stressing profitability in later hardware etc.
I would also say this is probably not an early devkit as their have been rumblings for awhile now of devkits in the wild. If IBM is manufacturing special chips etc at this point its for a final devkit not an early one.
I would also say this is probably not an early devkit as their have been rumblings for awhile now of devkits in the wild. If IBM is manufacturing special chips etc at this point its for a final devkit not an early one.
Normally a 6670 uses about 70watt max. They'll probably be able to shrink it a bit to bring the power consumption down though.
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