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Impressions from the extended 'The Last of Us' demo
- Thread starter SolidSnakex
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This is way, way underselling the quality of Crash and Jak.
Jak & Daxter > Any 3D mario game in the PS2 era.
Original Crash Bandicoot Series, each title sold heaps (6+ million per title).
And they have *always* been in the very forefront in technology on their respective platform.
The tech behind both those franchises are absolutely legendary (from their inhouse Goal LISP language to no-texturized Assembly Vertex PSOne magic).
Flying_Phoenix
Banned
No it isn't.
Yes all one of them which was hailed as the worst in the series. And was hardly even a Mario game.
And? Modern Warfare and the old Mortal Kombat games are crap and sold a lot. Whats the point?
You can't seriously think that Jak and Crash Bandicoot entries were the most advanced games on the platforms during their times. MAYBE Crash 1. MAYBE. But other than that?
Thats one low standard for "legendary". They weren't even the best looking Sony games technically nor close to it.
googleplex
Member
SolidSnakex
Member
TLoU won Destructoid's GotS
http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-s-e3-2012-game-of-the-show-the-last-of-us-229107.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-s-e3-2012-game-of-the-show-the-last-of-us-229107.phtml
googleplex
Member
Naughty Dog continues to embarrass all other developers in quality and quantity.
WrenchNinja
Member
They are definitely technically advanced. The crazy stuff nd managed to pull with the jak series on the ps2...They used every part of that console, even the ps1 parts to make a totally seamless world with no load times and a totally stable framerate.
Lion Heart
Banned
I feel like picking up the Jak games now since I kinda ignored them back in the day without knowing the developers pedigree. Now ND is one of my favourite devs around so I'm almost guaranteed to like them.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
I remember reading about Jak, and its tech back in the day. I think I may have even played the demo, but was distracted by Xbox games at the time.
Kind of want to play the HD collection..
bigboss370
Member
I only played Jak 3 and had an amazing time with it, was really fun and took me by surprise since it was just an impulse buy when it was on sale, and i didn't know what to expect.
You're going to have to deal with me having an opinion that's different from yours or a metacritic score, sorry.
nelsonroyale
Member
Yes, this is sounding better and better...
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
I've seen that gameplay demo five times already. There are so many minor details there that people can easily miss. For example, Ellie picking up a brick to help Joel later, and the way Joel wears his backpack again after creating a Molotov. Too bad about being a 2013 release though, would have been awesome to play it this year.
Always-honest
Banned
They are the only company who can deliver cinematic gameplay.
The rest just copies stuff and fails to do it in the right way.
But these guys... damn, they are unique.
The rest just copies stuff and fails to do it in the right way.
But these guys... damn, they are unique.
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
I'd much rather believe they are inspiring other developers to try and make more unique games. It is really telling how the game that is receiving so much buzz and even acknowledgement from other developers, is a game that was designed to be unique, unlike anything else, and push the current tech to its limits.
My main issue with this game is that(based off the E3 showing) it comes off as very violent. Is this in an attempt for realism?
I was expecting more survival elements and not just another shootout. Or for instance when Joel held a hostage and had the gun pointed at his head and the other enemy told him to let the guy go. So Joel just used him as shieldbait to kill his friend and then cracked the hostages skull in.
Right after he smashes a dudes head across a desk and sets a guy on fire and at the end doesn't spare any mercy to the guy who begged for his life and just pulls the trigger. Basically, I'm wondering if there is even a spare lives option cause it'd make for much more interesting play. Much like how Mirror's Edge had an achievement for not killing anyone in the game. I'm also wondering if there is a way to make AI non-hostile. Or is everyone bad and I have to smash their face in?
I will say I am glad that impressions show different events occurring and that the game is not as linear or scripted as it seems.
I was expecting more survival elements and not just another shootout. Or for instance when Joel held a hostage and had the gun pointed at his head and the other enemy told him to let the guy go. So Joel just used him as shieldbait to kill his friend and then cracked the hostages skull in.
Right after he smashes a dudes head across a desk and sets a guy on fire and at the end doesn't spare any mercy to the guy who begged for his life and just pulls the trigger. Basically, I'm wondering if there is even a spare lives option cause it'd make for much more interesting play. Much like how Mirror's Edge had an achievement for not killing anyone in the game. I'm also wondering if there is a way to make AI non-hostile. Or is everyone bad and I have to smash their face in?
I will say I am glad that impressions show different events occurring and that the game is not as linear or scripted as it seems.
LowEndTorque
Member
I always thought that AI behavior was limited based on hardware horsepower.
But looking at what TLoU seems to be doing on 256mb of RAM I'm beginning to wonder whether it has been more limited by will/talent/hard work than anything.
But looking at what TLoU seems to be doing on 256mb of RAM I'm beginning to wonder whether it has been more limited by will/talent/hard work than anything.
DeejayKnight
Member
This game became a must-own for me a LONG time ago, and these presentations just make it that much more so.
Considering the emphasis they seem to be placing on giving the player choice, I'm guessing there has to be some type of mercy option.
Considering the emphasis they seem to be placing on giving the player choice, I'm guessing there has to be some type of mercy option.
You know the more I think about it, the more happy I am about the 2013 date. If any game deserves the extra dev time its this. The AI scripting must be a huge task to get right for any given level. I'm hugely excited about the promise being made here though and if anyone can pull this off successfully for the duration of a 10+ hour game its ND.
They've put it out there now though. Gamers and critics a like are going to be analysing the crap out of both enemy AI and Ellie's, come launch. It sounds good so far but they better use this time wisely to nail it. Its going to need to be play tested to hell and back before it goes gold. Shoot me a message if you need a hand guys, I'd be happy to lend a hand. Serious.
They've put it out there now though. Gamers and critics a like are going to be analysing the crap out of both enemy AI and Ellie's, come launch. It sounds good so far but they better use this time wisely to nail it. Its going to need to be play tested to hell and back before it goes gold. Shoot me a message if you need a hand guys, I'd be happy to lend a hand. Serious.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
So....You guys know one of these 2 has to die at the end of the game right?
Ellie kills Joel because the player made him violent.
Alternatively, Joel kills Ellie because he's a murderous psychopath.
Btw, I'm kidding.
Well here's hoping.
donkey show
Member
I asked one of the devs and they said you can just let some of them go at your own risk.
Kenshin001
Member
I imagine Ellie will kill Joel because he gets infected. The ballsiest ending would be Joel kills Ellie because she gets infected, especially as it seems he lost his daughter. I'm not sure the video game world could cope with that though.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
I've had a lot of fun with Naughty Dog games in the past and the feedback on TLOU, so far, is fantastic.
I enjoyed the character banter in the Uncharted games - feeling it did a lot to build a sense of personality and relationship to/between the characters. It made them a little less one-dimensional without interfering with gameplay.
TLOU sounds like Naughty Dog are going a bit more serious but it's the characterisation that is whetting my appetite the most. I guess stuff like graphics and animation are a given.
I enjoyed the character banter in the Uncharted games - feeling it did a lot to build a sense of personality and relationship to/between the characters. It made them a little less one-dimensional without interfering with gameplay.
TLOU sounds like Naughty Dog are going a bit more serious but it's the characterisation that is whetting my appetite the most. I guess stuff like graphics and animation are a given.
Partly I think it was skews for the E3 presentation, especially considering the impressions from longer demos in the OP. but if the world is really as screwed as it is (and it looks like it has been for several years), then Joel will have experienced bad things and he'll know that mercy and compassion is something you don't dish out without knowing its justified. Most groups of scavengers like in the demo will probably kill him, rape Ellie and kill her and take all their belongings without a second thought.
I wonder if there will be a scene where an enemy tries to force himself on Ellie. I mean, like it or not, but the issue of rape always seems to come up in apocalyptic settings. Be it more openly like in "The Stand" or very subtle like in "The Road"
I also wonder if people will be similar upset like they are about Tomb Raider.
I also wonder if people will be similar upset like they are about Tomb Raider.
BigTnaples
Todd Howard's Secret GAF Account
The Last of Us will shy away from that I think. When you read The Road, it paints a very realistic picture, and realistically what would happen in the real world if civilization fell would be far from pretty. TLoU will be a gritty game, but it is still going to sugar coat the hell out it.
Amazing impressions, this is how AI in games should be.
Oh shit, don't screw this up guys.
Oh shit, don't screw this up guys.
Nintendo wouldn't make a game with characters like Jak & Daxter, the games in general are pretty far away from what Nintendo would do if you look at their output
Could be, now that you mention it, I remember them saying that it's supposed to be a world still "worth living in." I guess a trauma doesn't really fit into that.
The Road the book spoilers:
One of the worst scenes is the father/son observing some people roasting a newborn. This after having seen the pregnant woman tagging alongside two men a day or so earlier.
Game of Thrones (the HBO show) as well shy away from the most horrible stuff in the books.
chickdigger802
Banned
Is there any footage of the more stealth take on the e3 demo level?
I found the e3 demo to be pretty scripted and oddly boring.
I found the e3 demo to be pretty scripted and oddly boring.
Everyone should check this giantbomb video interview -
http://www.giantbomb.com/e3-2012-the-last-of-us-interview/17-6197/
http://www.giantbomb.com/e3-2012-the-last-of-us-interview/17-6197/
I wish they had shown some of this stuff during the E3 press conference instead of the corridor shooter that we saw instead. These previews make the game sound way more interesting than what was shown off. Definitely interested in this now.
What this guy said. I really want to see this footage.
What this guy said. I really want to see this footage.
Multiple endings, but canon ending has both survive for the inevitable sequel with 3-player co-op!
I agree, in the world of The Road the most humane thing to do would be kill Ellie then yourself once you start the game, so bleak.