JetBlackPanda
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I understand the difference but have you seen Call Of Duty: Ghosts??? I understand the hardware of the Xbone is far superior to the WiiU. My comment was aimed more towards IW.
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Infinity Ward confirms: CoD Ghost is 720p on Xbox One, 1080p on PS4
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I understand the difference but have you seen Call Of Duty: Ghosts??? I understand the hardware of the Xbone is far superior to the WiiU. My comment was aimed more towards IW.
Yup weaker hardware with a $100 higher price tag. MS dropped the ball big time on both.
Portugeezer
Member
And for minute details. Now we have a huge resolution difference and welp... "most people won't notice."
To me it's not whether people will notice, I'm sure they will maybe just not as much as they would if compared side by side. But from BF4 and COD we can see a clear discrepancy in power between the two consoles, with the $100 cheaper console coming off far better. That so called "truth" Major Nelson spewed about knowing that this moment would come regardless, on the Direct Xbox Panello talked about.
fluffydelusions
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welcome back brother...one of us....one of us
freenudemacusers
Member
Well we have a to wait a bit, this is technically not after launch.
Sword Of Doom
Member
BF4 = 720p
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
500 dollars can afford quite a bit of denial, my friend.
Brain of J
Banned
I'm still going Xbox One first but how can people even try to spin this? I mean, maybe you can spin 900p v 720p, but 1080p v 720p is just ridiculous.
The XB1 is so Vibrant!
Maninthemirror
Banned
Graphics war is over before first shot was fired
RedAssedApe
Banned
sad part is that alot of people (who aren't astro turfers) TRULY BELIEVE this stuff.
Thanks buddy needed the laugh, so when does XB1 have the exclusive MGS, GTA and FF get revealed? heh.
Sir_Crocodile
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deryseing.
DryvBy
Member
Let him down easy, papa.
ok, i lol'ed
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
I've been asking for someone to make a thread about this stuff because I'm sick and tired of resolution alone being the factor that decides what a next gen game will look like. Why don't you do it!?
Yeah, I think the most impressive thing coming out of this launch is going to be in the new internet knowledge (and I hope to god this isn't parroted by the press) that resolution, lighting, and framerate are no longer major objective measures on the technical/graphical quality of a game.
The RAM issue was something that couldn't be fixed. They knew they needed 8 gigs and went with ddr3 and then added the move engines and ESRAM. The RAM solution isn't as good as Sonys, but it most likely was one of the first things set in stone and with how things went, was unavoidable. But they could have added a better GPU. And that would have helped developers hit a better resolution without having to heavily optimize the system.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
He would know since he's deep in there.
Haha lol. I've read it all on this forum now. Bravo.
Woof woof motherfucker.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Our refusal to accept the DRM future ruined it. We have brought this on ourselves.
LiLSnorpSnorp
Member
This is more indicative of issues with dev tools than anything else, COD will be 1080p/60fps next year. Still pretty disappointing
Tristan Tzara
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GameSeeker
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Microsoft dropped the ball. CoD is 1080p @ 60fps on the PS4, so IW is doing fine with good hardware. Xbone is just significantly underpowered than than the PS4 and so will remain behind in either resolution or graphical effects for multi-platform titles.
hilarious that he would say that though
EmptySpace
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My question, and what I believe the real issue to be, is this: what happens if (when) devs need to drop the resolution to add more and more effects on the PS4 version of games? So when the PS4 version of a game is 720p, what happens to the Xbox One version?
And I'll answer my own question with a prediction: the Xbox One version loses effects and possibly drops to sub-HD. The real question right now shouldn't be "could CoDoG run better on the Xbox One." It should be "what does this mean for games that actually max out the PS4 later in the gen."
All IMO, of course.
well, there are wizards who work on the playstation console. gt6 runs at 1440x1080, 60 fps, dynamic weather, dynamic time, adaptive tesselation, etc.
multiplatform games will always be different. not to say all of them aren't as good as the first-parties.
what are you talking about? do you have any proof for anything you wrote above?
HawksWinStanley
Member
So this wasn't totally clear for me in the BF4 thread...are all the XB1 games (or at least the multiplats) going to have that mega contrast and blown out colors?
It didn't look as horrible in BF4 since the palette is a big more muted to start with but it looks god awful in Ghosts...I mean really bad. Unless that oversaturated image was made by someone here to make fun of it. In that case, well done.
It didn't look as horrible in BF4 since the palette is a big more muted to start with but it looks god awful in Ghosts...I mean really bad. Unless that oversaturated image was made by someone here to make fun of it. In that case, well done.
Wishmaster92
Member
XBO wall textures seem to pop out more.
A better GPU without the bandwidth to feed it would've been a waste of money.
Uno Venova
Banned
Famous bout to get that j-o-b
IchigoSharingan
Member
Probably due to the crushed blacks.
Wow, interesting Adam Boyes knew the resolution of cod on XB1 and Penello claims he didn't. Fucking hell Albert....
anexanhume
Member
Taking FPS back to its true roots thank you based microsoft.
Tristan Tzara
Neo Member
word.
Haha..if I felt like it would matter then I would.
I'm too tired and have too little time to do it well right now. I don't think it would hit home either way
.I'd love to see a well drawn out breakdown written by a knowledgeable person though.
Well. It's all guesses and speculation
You know, internet expert The problems you might encounter with ESRAM would relate to how you use (and reuse) render targets within a frame. There is no doubt that certain things would benefit greatly from being in ESRAM compared to DDR, especially temporary buffers that get overwritten entirely and then can be thrown away (depth buffers often fall into this category).
Most modern games will easily use more than 32MB of render targets during a single frame (remember the SF presentation where they had 800MB at one point? !). The difficulty would be choosing which RTs sit in ESRAM and when. If you aren't clearing the RT and regenerating it from scratch, then that would potentially mean copying the RT into ESRAM (from DDR at 68GB/s max) and then potentially copying it back to DDR to make room once you finish - which would call into question if it should even go into ESRAM at all. In a situation like that, you'd need the average number of cache missing reads/writes per pixel while in ESRAM to be pretty high to get past 'break even' on saved bandwidth and time.
It's a little hard to explain, but it'll be a very difficult balancing act (haha!) getting it right, especially if an engine likes to keep repeatedly accessing lots of big render targets over the course of a frame (eg, shadow maps). This is where deferred would help - you could generate the shadow map just before rendering the deferred light, then throw it away. In a forward render, you'd likely need to keep it around for most of the frame.
In some ways it's more complex problem than the EDRAM on the 360 - that could only hold the current RT and always copied back out to GDDR when you were done, so the usage pattern was pretty simple and easy to understand.
Kibbles
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So what's he going to do for us?
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