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Insane Things You've Learned About Your Country's History That Blew Your Mind

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PJV3

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Here in the UK we're taught that Nixon was a bit of a cranky old man that did some slightly dodgy stuff involving tapes and organising a little robbery.
And the fact he fucked up Vietnam just to help his election chances is never mentioned.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/080900-01.htm

All those tens of thousands of people dying for nothing is unbelievable.
 

Fjolle

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On that note: Denmark had colonized and owned the US virgin islands until we sold them in 1917.

Our king took a daily ride on his horse through Copenhagen during the occupation in ww2, unaccompanied by any guards and ignoring the germans :lol.
 
Zenith said:
Oliver Cromwell was on the list of "Greatest Britons" despite massacring thousands of Irish and leading a dictatorship so puritanical the people rebelled after 10 years.

We even have a statue of him in Westminster
 

PJV3

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Hey fucking hell, i know my country has been involved in shit for centuries, but it's not very British to talk about your own problems.
 

Retro

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afternoon delight said:
Hey! This thread is about embarrassing your own country, not ours, commie!

To be fair, everybody should rightfully be embarrassed by Nixon. Politics have always been corrupt, but until Nixon it wasn't always so... out in the open.

Fjolle said:
On that note: Denmark had colonized and owned the US virgin islands until we sold them in 1917.

Yeah, lots of countries had a hand in North America before England swept in.

For example, the Dutch were the first to establish a colony in my state of Delaware, the Swedes built New Sweden near modern-day Wilmington. New Sweden was then taken by the Dutch and it was added to New Netherland before being conquered by the English.
 

Zenith

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sunlight reflecting off a Soviet satellite made it think it was 3 nukes launching. It automatically sent a message to a silo telling them to launch (and they were already on a heightened state of alert due to NATO wargames). Fortunately the officer in command countermanded the orders because he judged it was a false alert. He was dishonorably discharged as a consequence.

PJV3 said:
Here in the UK we're taught that Nixon was a bit of a cranky old man that did some slightly dodgy stuff involving tapes and organising a little robbery.
And the fact he fucked up Vietnam just to help his election chances is never mentioned.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/080900-01.htm

All those tens of thousands of people dying for nothing is unbelievable.

really? my history textbooks (also UK) state out-and-out how there were US massacres and how the US government tried to cover it up. he's portrayed on UK tv as he is on US tv, a classic villain like his caricatures on Futurama and Watchmen.
 
I've got another one for my roots in jolly old England:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear-baiting

Bear-baiting was popular in England until the nineteenth century. From the sixteenth century, many herds of bears were maintained for baiting. In its best-known form, arenas for this purpose were called bear-gardens, consisting of a circular high fenced area, the "pit", and raised seating for spectators. A post would be set in the ground towards the edge of the pit and the bear chained to it, either by the leg or neck. A number of well-trained hunting dogs would then be set on it, being replaced as they tired or were wounded or killed. In some cases the bear was let loose, allowing it to chase after animals or people. For a long time, the main bear-garden in London was the Paris Garden at Southwark.
Henry VIII was a fan and had a pit constructed at Whitehall. Elizabeth I was also fond of the entertainment; it featured regularly in her tours. When an attempt was made to ban bear-baiting on Sundays, she overruled Parliament. Robert Laneham’s letter describes the spectacle presented by Robert Dudley, Earl of Leicester at Kenilworth Castle in 1575 :
Thursday, the fourteenth of July, and the sixth day of her Majesty’s coming, a great sort of bandogs [mastiff] were then tied in the outer court and thirteen bears in the inner . . .
Well, sir, the bears were brought forth into the court, the dogs set to them, to argue the points even face to face. They had learned counsel also on both parts, what may they be counted partial that are retained but to one side? I know not. Very fierce, both one and the other, and eager in argument. If the dog in pleading would pluck the bear by the throat, the bear with traverse would claw him again by the scalp, confess and a list, but avoid it could not that was bound to the bar, and his counsel told him that it could be to him no policy in pleading.
Therefore, with fending & proving, with plucking and tugging, scratching and biting, by plain tooth and nail on one side and the other, such expense of blood and leather [skin] was there between them, as a months licking (I think) will not recover, and yet remain as far out as ever they were.
It was a sport very pleasant, of these beasts, to see the bear with his pink eyes leering after his enemies approach, the nimbleness and wayt [wait] of the dog to take his advantage, and the force and experience of the bear again to avoid the assaults. If he were bitten in one place, how he would pinch in another to get free, that if he were taken once, then what shift, with biting, with clawing, with roaring, tossing and tumbling, he would work to wind himself free from them. And when he was loose, to shake his ears twice or thrice with the blood and the slather about his physiognomy, was a matter of goodly relief.[1]
A variation involved other animals being baited, especially bulls, but also, on one curious occasion, a pony with an ape tied to its back was baited: a spectator described that "...with the screaming of the ape, beholding the curs hanging from the ears and neck of the pony, is very laughable".[2] Attempts to end the entertainment were first made in England by the Puritans, with little effect. The deaths of a number of spectators, when a stand collapsed at the Paris Gardens on January 12, 1583 was viewed by early Puritans as a sign of God's anger, though not primarily because of the cruelty but because the bear-baiting was taking place on a Sunday. [3]
By the late 17th century "the conscience of cultivated people seems to have been touched",[citation needed] but it was not until 1835 that baiting was prohibited by Parliament, Cruelty to Animals Act 1835 was soon extended across the Empire. Bear baiting's last known occurrence was in the small town of Knottingley.
Bull baiting was a contest which was similar to bear baiting in which the bull was chained to a stake by one hind leg or by the neck and worried by dogs. The whipping of a blinded bear was another variation of bear-baiting. [4] Vaqueros would set a bear against a bull.[5]



These pits were usually near theaters, and people had the option of paying a penny to, say, poke a bear with a stick or see Othello.
 

Yen

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Zenith said:
sunlight reflecting off a Soviet satellite made it think it was 3 nukes launching. It automatically sent a message to a silo telling them to launch (and they were already on a heightened state of alert due to NATO wargames). Fortunately the officer in command countermanded the orders because he judged it was a false alert. He was dishonorably discharged as a consequence.



really? my history textbooks (also UK) state out-and-out how there were US massacres and how the US government tried to cover it up. he's portrayed on UK tv as he is on US tv, a classic villain like his caricatures on Futurama and Watchmen.
Yeah, the officers thinking was that if a country would start all out nuclear war, why would they only fire 3 nukes when they have 50000.


I'm currently studying the Vietnam War and while I didn't know about Nixon conspiring so he could have an upper hand in elections, I do know that he was a real villain/evil man.
After the release of the Pentagon Papers, he felt the need to do anything to his advantage such as cover ups, suppressing information etc.

I'm also in the UK btw
 

PJV3

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Zenith said:
really? my history textbooks (also UK) state out-and-out how there were US massacres and how the US government tried to cover it up. he's portrayed on UK tv as he is on US tv, a classic villain like his caricatures on Futurama and Watchmen.

I know that stuff, but to cause the deaths of 20,000 of your own servicemen as an election tactic is fucking crazy, Anyhow i'm going to have half of US-GAF pissed off if i don't talk about something bad the UK has done.
So i'll leave it at that.
 
Why is it that the more modern presidents have all the insane stuff attached to them while the founding fathers and older prezes are rarely heard of?
 

JoeBoy101

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JzeroT1437 said:
Why is it that the more modern presidents have all the insane stuff attached to them while the founding fathers and older prezes are rarely heard of?

Well, the Internet and media in general. Easier for printed and spoken word to go faster and farther than ever before.
 
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