Farnack said:No it's not. Swapping disc requires you to swap disc.
Installs requires you to do nothing but do something else.
If I need to take a toilet break, how can I change the disc while I do that?
ElyrionX said:Tycho from Penny Arcade summed it up best:
AzureNightmareXE said:I'd have to kill myself if some developer did this for a PC game that was actually good.
What did you do when you wanted to start a franchise in Madden on the PS2 and it required 5+MB out of the 8MB you have on your memory card? You either buy a new card, or delete some of the other save files. It's no different in this case. I have 9 disc games and don't play all of them all the time. I have 25 PSN games. If I want to make room, I'll just delete a game data file from one of the 4 games I have 100% completion in, or a PSN game. No biggy. Both can be restored with little problem.Liquid said:what happens when you run out of space? someone with a 20 gig drive would be SOL after buying like 3-4 games.
There's a limit set by Sony of 5GB, that was Konami's way of working around it.Huggy said:Wait a minute, once the Act has been installed do I have to install them again on my next playthrough? I mean the whole goddamn point of installing is that I don't have to load as much, doesn't really help if I have to keep reinstalling prior to every load.
Trojan X said:If you're going to have a game that have a complete installation before every act then that means there should be NO loading times "periods" during the actual game sessions. Saldly, MGS4 doesn't deliver there.
Metalmurphy said:Well, there's your problem right there.
NameIess said:Did not care for the loading of each Act, but I would consider this a cause of team Kojima's lack of experience with the PS3. I think given enough time they could have found another solution, but if I had the choice of waiting another 6+ months for a more efficient title I would take the current loading situation... That's my 2 cents.
The Faceless Master said:
DrXym said:I don't accept there is ANY reason for a preinstall in any game I've seen so far. There is enough downtime in MGS 4 including copious cut scenes where if they needed to cache data they could have done so on the fly.
John_B said:The system is shit, but the hardware is to blame, not the developer.
John_B said:The system is shit, but the hardware is to blame, not the developer.
PuppetMaster said:Age of Conan requires 30 GB of space on your hard disk.
How is that better?
John_B said:The system is shit, but the hardware is to blame, not the developer.
dak1dsk1 said:Imagine you went to the movies, and they had to change the reel 5 times. Even if it was a good movie, it would still suck. Console games should be all about instant-fun. This is why I traded my ZX-Spectrum for a console. I'm holding out for the 'MGS4:noinstalliance' or whatever they will rename the *real* version.
It's a warning from Kojima that gaming straight for more than 2 hours can hurt your health.Huggy said:Son of a bitch. I thought Kojima got shit done. We even got rumble back.
I was defending Konami Productions if anything.Hcoregamer00 said:As much as I hate loading at every act, some of you are completely transparent in your trolling.
I don't see the comparison. If the game was on 5 discs the install wouldn't be required or something? Why would that be?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11658848&postcount=53John_B said:I was defending Konami Productions if anything.
Sony gives developers 50GB of disc capacity, but they limit the amount of data (5GB) they can transfer to the hard drive. If they had doubled that amount for dual layer games, then MGS4 might not have been so bad, even so, games that will fit onto dual layer games will have loading issues unless they are streched far more than MGS4 currently is.
tha_con said:Dude, Tycho is a fucking retarded, he didnt' sum up shit. The Installs come to the benefit of the game, coupled with the amount of data that can be stored on Blu-Ray. I think it's quite obvious Tycho has his 'preference' with consoles, and he hasn't been afraid to voice that opinion in the past.
I know, this is why I'm blaming the system.The Faceless Master said:
The Faceless Master said:
This is some silly shit.dak1dsk1 said:Imagine you went to the movies, and they had to change the reel 5 times. Even if it was a good movie, it would still suck. Console games should be all about instant-fun. This is why I traded my ZX-Spectrum for a console. I'm holding out for the 'MGS4:noinstalliance' or whatever they will rename the *real* version.
dskillzhtown said:I disagree with you 100%. The benefit of Blu-ray comes with a negative with the install. In-game install seems counterproductive. Why not get some streaming routine off the disc? I would just hate this to be a crutch developers start using and after every level, we sit through a loading process. Not calling out MGS4 at all. Maybe playing a game with no loading times is just a pipe dream at this point. Hell, GTA4 had it before missions as well.
Router said:And my Plasma TV.
roxya said:How the hell is blu-ray causing the install problem? How would multiple discs solve the install problem?
tha_con said:It's really depressing to see all the misinformation and ignorance displayed by many gamers who would claim to be 'hardcore'.
Anyone who thinks an install will 'completely eliminate load times' is ridiculous.
Anyone who thinks Uncharted is an example of 'completely eliminating load times' that would work for all games, is ridiculous.
Quite frankly, I think either too many of you are too young to remember load times with the Saturn and PSX (between 30 seconds to 1 minute) or you are delusional.
5 seconds between area's, as large as they are, is very much an improvement thanks to the install. Many of you need a nice reality check.
Joke?
tha_con said:I'm 100% positive MGS4 would have load times similar to Halo 3 or GTA IV at the start of each act if it were on 360 or did not have an install. Guaranteed.
dskillzhtown said:Did I say use mutiple discs? Please point out where I said that. You can't, because I didn't. Don't put words in my post, make your own posts.
With all the data on the Blu-ray disc, it is requiring loads before levels for the console to access it all. That is my point. Maybe having more system memory in future consoles will fix this. But then again, 2 years from now on the PS3, this may be a distant memory. I just hate the fact that if many games do this in the future, you could see the bulk of the HDDs being used for game installs, not user-loaded media.