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iOS 11 GM leak, new info from 9to5mac (Face ID, Animoji, LTE Watch, True Tone, etc.)
- Thread starter takoyaki
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How do those work with Touch ID?
Wrestlemania
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They probably won't need to do anything. TouchID is a system level API - when an app asks for TouchID verification iOS will just do FaceID instead.
By accounts so far, FaceID sounds more reliable than TouchID. It detects a 3D image of your face, so unless someone has sculpted a true-to-life bust you shouldn't need to worry. iOS 11 is also coding in a biometric lock, so you can disable FaceID at will if you feel it will compromise your security. Of course, our understanding of all this may change as we learn more.
Wrestlemania
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Everything seems to indicate that it's using 3D cameras. A simple image isn't going to fool it. Unless you are a person who's phone contains something of incredible value to people, I don't think anyone is going to go to the extreme lengths they'd need to in order to create an accurate 3D model of your face. And if your phone is that valuable - use a long password. TouchID isn't secure enough for that either.
ah whoops, figured the high refresh rate screens would had come to the note line as well. Now I'm imaging Apple using that as one of the iPhone 10th Anniversary Edition selling points
My guess is it looks to see how many people are in view, the angle of arms and faces in view, and at who's looking where and then makes an educated guess on whether to unlock or not.
I admittedly have zero clue on how the technology works, but I'm a bit skeptical of that claim.
Facial appearances change literally every single day. Men grow facial hair (beards, staches, goatees) which could potentially make it harder to detect their jaw and cheeks etc. Women cake their face with tons of makeup daily and I would think applying eye shadow and lipstick makes it harder to detect the true shape of their eyes and lips. Simply wearing sunglasses on a sunny day seems like it'd remove a lot of data points (eyes and brows) used for facial scanning. Then there's smaller cosmetic stuff like nose and lip rings etc. Or even stuff like acne breakouts.
I'm sure that Apple accounted for most if not all of those scenarios. But it just seems like there's a LOT more ways facial scanning can potentially get confused versus a fingerprint scanner. Again though, I have no clue on how this works, so I may be wildly off base here. Looking forward to the demo on Tuesday and seeing people test it.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
It probably relies more on facial topology than facial features.
Michael F. Assbender
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LumpOfCole
Member
I wonder what identical twins are thinking about this, especially the ones that publicly would say they trust their sibling but secretly wouldnt want their sibling to use their phone. Hey bro whyd you turn off FaceID?
Zeyphersan
Banned
Windows Hello can distinguish between twins, this totally should
SmackCrackleNPop
Member
Man, the S8+ is barely even 6 months old.
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
As long as its better than the S8.
Twins:
https://youtu.be/5oFcGNDv-Y4
And with a photo on a non-demo unit:
https://youtu.be/_RiaMkyKmFg
That's just the writer's own conjecture, dude. There was evidence that Apple Pay worked with Face ID back with the HomePod leak, and that was the first real confirmation that Face ID was even a thing.
I've been going through this thread from time to time and you seem pretty dedicated to this No Face ID with Apple Pay thing. My advice is probably don't read Slashgear for Apple rumours if that's the quality of their reporting.
I'd imagine that's really easy to transition over since they just pass the message to display in the prompt to the Touch ID API and wait for the Secure Enclave to pass an authorisation back to the app. Just substitute the Touch ID API with a new API that prompt for either depending on the device and viola.
Yeah, I hope Intel's upped their game while Apple and Qualcomm duke it out in the courts.
I somehow seriously doubt Apple is gonna replace Touch ID with a Face ID implementation that can be fooled by a printout. I also wouldn't rely on the limitations of existing tech by other vendors as a guide for what Apple potentially has in store.
https://www.cultofmac.com/498524/apples-3d-sensing-technology-two-years-ahead-competition/
I don't know any more than the info already out there, but let's wait and see rather than doubt it before seeing it.
Apple Watch can work that way only because it knows when you have taken it off. So it can safely assume that if you unlocked it and you're still wearing it, then you are you. Can't do the same thing with the iPhone.
PhoncipleBone
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Stupid question time. Since it seems apparent that the new AppleTV will be 4K with HDR and Dolby Vision, what are the odds that Apple shows off the new phone cameras that will record 4k video in HDR10 and Dolby Vision?
I have no doubt that the new iPhones will take photos and video in HDR (and not "HDR", that horrible Frankenstein glowey thing the past several years have had.) It could have implications in digital photography.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
My understanding is there are two types of face unlocks on the s8. The less secure one that can be fooled by a pic and the iris scan method that is similar to Windows hello. Is that not true?
Michael F. Assbender
Banned
Yeah, that top video has those twins try to fool the iris scanner (unsuccessfully).
Ive read impressions saying its finicky and sometimes doesnt work with glasses or whatever, but Ive also read (most in GAF threads) that its pretty darn reliable. So Im guessing its one of those YMMV type things.
I just hope that UHD movies playback will come to Windows version of iTunes, because I don't want to buy an Apple TV just for that when my PC is connected to my TV. And that it won't require a recent CPU, I'm still rocking a Sandy Bridge i7 that I'm not going to replace anytime soon.
1080p movies work on my desktop even if iTunes says that it isn't compatible, hope it's the same for 4K movies.
1080p movies work on my desktop even if iTunes says that it isn't compatible, hope it's the same for 4K movies.
Decoding 4K HEVC on a Sandy Bridge CPU is going to be a world of hurt. Maybe if your GPU has hardware HEVC acceleration.
If you're on the latest Windows 10, try playing "Camp (Nature) 4K HDR Demo (Sony)" from http://www.4ktv.de/testvideos/ in Windows Media Player and see how that goes.
I have a GTX 1070 that can handle hardware decoding of HEVC videos up to 8K resolution. Will try the video, thanks.
Already tried a bunch of 4K videos on my desktop, but not sure they were encoded in HEVC.
PipefishUK
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So they're releasing a bad copy of the S7/S8 but with some animated emoji?
(I actually kind of like the cheesy awful animated emoji)
(I actually kind of like the cheesy awful animated emoji)
I have the latest MBP with HEVC. I can't get it to play in Quick Time and it just dies on VLC. IINA is able to play it at a very choppy pace, but my laptop goes crazy. I'm guessing that VLC and IINA are not taking advantage of the hardware-level HVEC decoding?
VLC and IINA don't support HEVC hardware acceleration on Mac yet, and QuickTime won't until High Sierra.
Why? Still cheaper than buying a 4K Bluray player (and 4K Bluray movies) and 1080p movies work great. It's just when downloading that I get a warning that 1080p "isn't supported on this computer", but when watching a movie, no issue there.
I rarely buy movies though. My father buys quite a few 1080p Blurays each month and I just borrow most movies from him. Other times I just rent one, preferably on iTunes because Google Play encoding sucks in dark scenes.
I'm upgrading to 4K Netflix once I get FTTH Internet, but laws prevent movies from being put on the service until 3 years after theater launch.
Hmmm... any players that already do HEVC hardware acceleration?
Broken Hope
Member
The intel modem shit is grossly exaggerated.
My iPhone 7 has the intel modem and Ive had no issues.
On macOS? Not that I know of. Until recently there were extremely few Macs with any HEVC hardware support so there hasn't been a lot of incentive to develop it (and I'm not sure if it's possible to? That might be something High Sierra drivers have to expose or something).
Steve Troughton Smith via 9to5mac
https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/10/ipho...f-ram-iphone-8-plus-and-iphone-x-to-pack-3gb/
https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/11/4k-apple-tv-a10x/
https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/10/ipho...f-ram-iphone-8-plus-and-iphone-x-to-pack-3gb/
https://9to5mac.com/2017/09/11/4k-apple-tv-a10x/
Neverender
Member
How long after the keynote finishes can it be watched online? Its starts at 3am where I live and I wanna watch it before work from like 630am maybe.
Given that there are people in threads on NeoGAF complaining about the "huge" bezels on current iPhones, there's obviously a market out there that wants edge to edge displays, and it's kind of pointless to make any firm declarations on the subject's utility when it hasn't been released (my reservations are entirely theoretical until we see Apple's implementation.)
If you're the person who needs on-board USB-A ports, it's not like someone's forcing you to buy a Mac. And yet Mac sales continue to hold steady or climb. While it sucks to realize your opinion doesn't matter: it doesn't. Most people don't care. The world turns. You can either accept other people have different priorities or concerns than you, or go on a message forum and rage about "sheeple".
I feel like a big reason that AppleTV would get comparatively beefy specs is simply to get a longer-lived product if they're not updating it every year.
I think you could watch the live-stream with timeshift (on some devices/browsers) the last couple of keynotes and it didn't take them very long to put up the whole video after the presentation was over. You should be fine.
show me your skeleton
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i haven't read the sticky article but are they saying one camera for the iPhone x?
Neverender
Member
Thanks!
lmaoOf course Face ID will work with Apple Pay, see this leaked photo
This is the one thing I'm worried about when it comes to FaceID.
Day to day it'll probably be better than TouchID but we'll see with Pay.
I think all the camera info in the article comes from this Tweet.
He's talking about the sensors, no specifics yet on how the rear vertical dual-lens camera system will work.
I was using a Samsung galaxy s8 at work this morning for about 20 minutes and I'm already smitten by no bezels. I've taken a look in stores before and thought 'whats the big deal', but using one even for just a short time is very different
Sure, but when did the iPhone ever produce those types of pictures in-camera?
My historical resistance has always been about possible greater susceptibility to screen damage and false positives registering from your grip, but especially with the iPad Pro Apple seems to have gotten good about screening "bad" touches on the display and in owning my own phone I've never dropped it, so I don't have any real personal concern about it now. I especially would rather have a smaller device overall, so if they're going to keep making larger screens smaller bezels are my only option.