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[crispyben]

I think I'll be taking the plunge this week, with SFR (aka Vodafone in France). Here's my plan:

- 55€/month
- 12 months
- 2H + 2H in the evenings and on weekends
- 1 GB of data
- unlimited SMS/MMS

16 GB costs 149€, 32 GB costs 229€. Now, what's the advantage in having 16 or 32 GB of space? I mean, what space do the apps take up?

 

[Blackhead]

I took my 3GS out of my case because I really don't care anymore. The back gets smudgy and it's very difficult to get a good grip, it felt like a bar of soap. I happily put it back into my case when I got home. I love the thinness but it is so slippery.

I had to remove my case the other day, so I could reinsert the SIM Card, and it felt weird. But if you think the bareback 3GS is thin grab any the iPod Touch and marvel that an iPhone OS device can be so small. It feels like a third the size of my phone.

Oh man I love that browser. I really love the hyperscroll and how it allows me to simply hit a down arrow instead of constantly flicking my thumb up to scroll down...that was so annoying for reading any websites or articles, but sucked the most for frequenting blogs. Safari was replaced on my dock with APB.

I expect some new tab features, like the ability to open a link in a new tab (it shows this on the screenshot in the app store but mine can't doesn't give me that option, I need it), and a way to have the hyperscroll bar always on, even at launch. Otherwise I can't imagine what would make it better.

But... it looks so ugly and cluttered. I mean, if peeps were complaining about awesomenote... the only feature it has I'm missing in Safari is fullscreen mode and you can do much more with safari.

I think I'll be taking the plunge this week, with SFR (aka Vodafone in France). Here's my plan:

- 55€/month
- 12 months
- 2H + 2H in the evenings and on weekends
- 1 GB of data
- unlimited SMS/MMS

16 GB costs 149€, 32 GB costs 229€. Now, what's the advantage in having 16 or 32 GB of space? I mean, what space do the apps take up?

Apart from a specific few apps (turn by turn apps run up to hundreds of MB and a few games like Myst are also very large) most are smaller than 10 MB. Apps shouldn't be taken into consideration, the real question is how many movies, podcasts and songs you'd like to carry with you. Unless you have a large budget, or require that you have a certain amount of media with you at all times, I'd say you're better served going with 16GB.

Think about it this way: € (16GB iPhone + accessories + Apps starter fund) = € (32GB iPhone). I'd much rather have the former.

 

[crispyben]

Apart from a specific few apps (turn by turn apps run up to hundreds of MB and a few games like Myst are also very large) most are smaller than 10 MB. Apps shouldn't be taken into consideration, the real question is how many movies, podcasts and songs you'd like to carry with you. Unless you have a large budget, or require that you have a certain amount of media with you at all times, I'd say you're better served going with 16GB.

Think about it this way: € (16GB iPhone + accessories + Apps starter fund) = € (32GB iPhone). I'd much rather have the former.

That's an interesting way of looking at the question. Thanks!

 

[DarkJC]

I have a sizeable music library (15.71 GB) and couldn't do without the 32GB. I was living with the 8GB 3G for a while, figuring manually managing my music wouldn't be that bad. There's something to be said for syncing your entire library to the phone though, brought me back to the days when I always had my 3G iPod on me.

Unless you really really really don't think you'll need the space, spend the little bit more for the biggest model. You're paying so much per month for the phone that over the course of the contract the price you pay to double the space is nothing, and it's not like you can decide to upgrade to a 32GB 6 months down the line.

 

[crispyben]

I have a sizeable music library (15.71 GB) and couldn't do without the 32GB. I was living with the 8GB 3G for a while, figuring manually managing my music wouldn't be that bad. There's something to be said for syncing your entire library to the phone though, brought me back to the days when I always had my 3G iPod on me.

Unless you really really really don't think you'll need the space, spend the little bit more for the biggest model. You're paying so much per month for the phone that over the course of the contract the price you pay to double the space is nothing, and it's not like you can decide to upgrade to a 32GB 6 months down the line.

Thanks for the feedback. My library comes in at a whopping 166 GB (all manually ripped in 128 AAC, I know shame on me), so even the biggest iPod can't fit it! I currently have a 60 GB iPod video, and hope to upgrade to an iPod classic soon. I'll carry some music on my iPhone, but it won't be my main music player...

 

[DarkJC]

Thanks for the feedback. My library comes in at a whopping 166 GB (all manually ripped in 128 AAC, I know shame on me), so even the biggest iPod can't fit it! I currently have a 60 GB iPod video, and hope to upgrade to an iPod classic soon. I'll carry some music on my iPhone, but it won't be my main music player...

I was debating whether I should use the word sizeable on my library because I know some people have an insane amount of music, but wow! I take that sizeable back. Yeah, if you're going to still be using another device as your primary music player, 16GB should be fine.

 

[crispyben]

I was debating whether I should use the word sizeable on my library because I know some people have an insane amount of music, but wow! I take that sizeable back. Yeah, if you're going to still be using another device as your primary music player, 16GB should be fine.

Bigger doesn't make it better, at this point it's a sickness. I was just considering how much money I'd save by becoming a pirate and downloading the music illegally instead of paying for it... :lol

 

[jonnybryce]

I had to remove my case the other day, so I could reinsert the SIM Card, and it felt weird. But if you think the bareback 3GS is thin grab any the iPod Touch and marvel that an iPhone OS device can be so small. It feels like a third the size of my phone.

My friend has a Touch and I held one for the first time the other day. I couldn't believe how slim it was, I was pretty jealous...but then again it has the mirror back which I can't stand so I guess no one can really win.

But... it looks so ugly and cluttered. I mean, if peeps were complaining about awesomenote... the only feature it has I'm missing in Safari is fullscreen mode and you can do much more with safari.

I disagree, it only looks cluttered if you have tabs bar opened. The top is the same as safari (you can hide the status menu like the time to make it even less cluttered, actually) and the bottom is just a few symbols that can be hidden any how. Even with "bookmarklets" on my Safari I much prefer APB.

edit for shots:

You can also just hide the bottom bar and have the top showing but you get the idea, it can be very simple looking.

 

[lunarworks]

I'll believe it when I hear it from Bell and Telus' mouth.

Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2009/10/06/75222.html

 

[Blackhead]

I have a sizeable music library (15.71 GB) and couldn't do without the 32GB. I was living with the 8GB 3G for a while, figuring manually managing my music wouldn't be that bad. There's something to be said for syncing your entire library to the phone though, brought me back to the days when I always had my 3G iPod on me.

Unless you really really really don't think you'll need the space, spend the little bit more for the biggest model. You're paying so much per month for the phone that over the course of the contract the price you pay to double the space is nothing, and it's not like you can decide to upgrade to a 32GB 6 months down the line.

Well my reasoning is different: I had a cellphone bill before I got an iPhone and I'll have that bill when I move on. It's part of my monthly budget—a fixed cost. The phone purchase itself falls under the more discretionary part of my expenditure and there $100 is noteworthy. That's worth a few videogames; an opportunity cost certainly more enjoyable to me in the long run than 16GB of space. Which is all the 32GB has over the 16GB model, not more features or even extra color options. The 32GB isn't more future proof than the 16GB so it won't matter a year from now which one you have (unless apps start filling the drive up at 200MB a pop). I'm on a yearly upgrade schedule anyway (as long as resale prices hold) so by then I'll probably have 32GB as well.

So the only consideration, as I see it, is whether you'll need and use the extra 16GB. I won't, I have 10GB free at the moment. On situation in regular usage where I might run into space issuses is if I fill up the phone with podcasts but then witness an interesting event I'd like to record. That's unlikely. Now if the the phone was a great platform for books and comics I'd want to 32GB

You can also just hide the bottom bar and have the top showing but you get the idea, it can be very simple looking.

aah I see that isn't bad. I would like it much better if it used one color glyphs, instead of those realistic looking icons, but I guess Apple would complain it looked too much like Safari or something. Anyway, I need bookmarklet support for 1Password, among other features. And I have a quickscroll and a download manager on my jailbroken phone for Safari, so I just can't give that up

 

[LCfiner]

Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2009/10/06/75222.html

this is great news. glad it turned out to be real

.... looking for the all you can eat data rates for all carriers to drop now

 

[Bboy AJ]

http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/2009/10/meet-family.html

can't wait till Geohot releases his new jailbreak. like purplera1n, it only takes 10 seconds and he says his exploit is so good that it's possible it might work forever on every device

:lol

Just like I said on the last page or so. Nothing noteworthy coming from the devteam because they're scrubs. Geohot is the real brain behind this. I suspect the devteam to come out with something soon after stealing Geohot's work. Again.

 

[Manics]

http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/2009/10/meet-family.html

can't wait till Geohot releases his new jailbreak. like purplera1n, it only takes 10 seconds and he says his exploit is so good that it's possible it might work forever on every device

Never heard of this guy, but I was a bit pissed that the dev team said they weren't developing a Window's solution for jailbreaking. I shouldn't need a bloody mac to jailbreak the iPhone. Hopefully this guy can come through.

 

[Bboy AJ]

He invented the iPhone unlock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz

No surprise he's from NJ. NJ turns out the brightest students.

 

[GSG Flash]

Here's another article about Bell getting the iPhone and moving to HSPA if people for some reason still don't believe it

http://www.canada.com/technology/Bell+Telus+land+iPhone/2069088/story.html

This is good news for Bell because I know many people were forced to basically sign up with Rogers because the phone they bought online or whatever didn't work with Bell thanks to CDMA. Hopefully this will create some more competition in the wireless market over here because right now both Bell and Rogers charge a shitload.

 

[Manics]

He invented the iPhone unlock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hotz

No surprise he's from NJ. NJ turns out the brightest students.

Sweet. Can't wait to see his jailbreaking app for 3.1

 

[Manics]

Here's another article about Bell getting the iPhone and moving to HSPA if people for some reason still don't believe it

http://www.canada.com/technology/Bell+Telus+land+iPhone/2069088/story.html

This is good news for Bell because I know many people were forced to basically sign up with Rogers because the phone they bought online or whatever didn't work with Bell thanks to CDMA. Hopefully this will create some more competition in the wireless market over here because right now both Bell and Rogers charge a shitload.

I think the Bell Canada press statement that someone linked above pretty much seals the deal. Who's not going to believe a press release from the company itself?

 

[GSG Flash]

I think the Bell Canada press statement that someone linked above pretty much seals the deal. Who's not going to believe a press release from the company itself?

Which is why I said "for some reason", you never know, maybe someone has issues with Bell press releases

 

[jet1911]

I just signed 3y with Rogers... I hope Bell and Telus prices won't be too low so that I feel guilty

 

[Revolutionary]

http://iphonejtag.blogspot.com/2009/10/meet-family.html

can't wait till Geohot releases his new jailbreak. like purplera1n, it only takes 10 seconds and he says his exploit is so good that it's possible it might work forever on every device

He updated the post:

Minor setback today, when Chronic revealed the exploit that this will use. For apparently no purpose except to save face in front of their donators. Future reference, never donate until you have a product in hand and working. Look, as much as I fight with the dev team, they always have the communities interests at heart, maybe even more so than me. But chronic just stomped all over what the community wants. Who can actually do something with the info they released? Well, you know, Apple.

Sorry OOTB 3.1 3GS'ers, you're still shit outta luck for now.

 

[aku:jiki]

Sorry OOTB 3.1 3GS'ers, you're still shit outta luck for now.

I don't really get that. The exploit would be revealed when he releases the software anyway, why hold it back? Don't even see how it's a setback. Is he just gonna go find another ultimate exploit real quick? Sucks having to rely on punk kids. :lol

Edit: Haha, there's tons of teen drama in the comments. It's off, it's back on, it's off, it's back on... Seems to have stayed back on:

#2days is his ETA.

 

[sc0la]

So how long until a skype app update now that AT&T says they will allow VoIP data over 3G?

 

[jonnybryce]

That was unexpected. If only AT&T offered data only iPhone plans like the sidekicks, then this would really be something special. As it stands, I already have tons of rollover minutes with the 450 plan so it doesn't really help me in any way. But congrats to everyone else.

I don't really get that. The exploit would be revealed when he releases the software anyway, why hold it back? Don't even see how it's a setback. Is he just gonna go find another ultimate exploit real quick? Sucks having to rely on punk kids. :lol

I don't get it either. It's not like Apple has a new update ready right now and they would look at this when it's released any way. This makes no sense.

 

[Bboy AJ]

AT&T probably made the change because of the FCC.

 

[sc0la]

AT&T probably made the change because of the FCC.

Probably? :lol almost certainly IMO. That's why Verizon was talking about "open" networks today as well. ATT didn't want to miss the boat on looking like they were being proactive rather than forced.

 

[Blackhead]

That was unexpected. If only AT&T offered data only iPhone plans like the sidekicks, then this would really be something special. As it stands, I already have tons of rollover minutes with the 450 plan so it doesn't really help me in any way. But congrats to everyone else.



I don't get it either. It's not like Apple has a new update ready right now and they would look at this when it's released any way. This makes no sense.

It's even more amusing because the kid rushed to post the use and post the exploit for 3.0 despite the dev-team desiring to wait until 3.0.1 was out from Apple. Recognition is serious business for hackers I guess

 

[RPS37]

What I dig about A Perfect Browser:
* Full Screen
* Lock screen horizontal or vertical
* Hyper scroll

However, when browsing GAF (virtually the only website I read on my phone), in Safari I can open threads in new tabs and F5 over and over a lot easier.

Also, the Hyper Scroll bar is covering the Last Page button in the NeoGAF web app.

If they can fix that stuff, I could permanently switch to APB. As it stands, I'm trying to use it more than Safari.

One more thing.
It's also nice to have a second browser, because the other night I had a podcast direct download streaming in a window in Safari and then I was browsing GAF using APB. It was pretty sick.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Gah. You win Apple fuckers. I'm selling my Samsung Impression and getting an iPhone this or next week. I feel like such a sellout. Bah.

 

[SnakeXs]

Gah. You win Apple fuckers. I'm selling my Samsung Impression and getting an iPhone this or next week. I feel like such a sellout. Bah.

A sellout, for wanting a good phone?

Don't tread on that, just get it, and all will be right.

 

[jdforge]

Anyone care to list some essential apps? I've had my iphone for a couple of weeks now, and would really like to know what apps people can't live without...

 

[RubxQub]

Gah. You win Apple fuckers. I'm selling my Samsung Impression and getting an iPhone this or next week. I feel like such a sellout. Bah.

Welcome fellow Apple Fucker!

We've got your plain black sweater, square rimmed glasses and Apple decal ready for you when you get your iPhone.

Our next meeting is going to be about how we can modify our Toyota Prius' to look like giant apples. We'll be meeting at the Starbucks on Earth Day.

See you there AppleSnake!

 

[Sean]

Anyone care to list some essential apps? I've had my iphone for a couple of weeks now, and would really like to know what apps people can't live without...

If you buy a lot of stuff online like me then Delivery Status Touch (a package tracker app) is a must have imo.

 

[jonnybryce]

What I dig about A Perfect Browser:
* Full Screen
* Lock screen horizontal or vertical
* Hyper scroll

However, when browsing GAF (virtually the only website I read on my phone), in Safari I can open threads in new tabs and F5 over and over a lot easier.

Also, the Hyper Scroll bar is covering the Last Page button in the NeoGAF web app.

If they can fix that stuff, I could permanently switch to APB. As it stands, I'm trying to use it more than Safari.

One more thing.
It's also nice to have a second browser, because the other night I had a podcast direct download streaming in a window in Safari and then I was browsing GAF using APB. It was pretty sick.

Just a tip: You actually can still do last page in the web app by touching just to the right of the scrollbar where the last page arrow is, I do it all the time. I would definitely like the scrollbar to be skinner though.

 

[Sean]

TomTom's iPhone app has apparently sold over 80,000 copies already. That's 8 million dollars in revenue in under two months, wow. http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/07/tomtoms-iphone-car-kit-gets-taken-for-a-stationary-test-drive/

Now I'm really curious as to what kind of insane numbers the Navigon app must be doing because they have been consistently outselling TomTom by a rather large amount. Right now Navigon is #2 and TomTom's is #27 on the top grossing list.

 

[Veidt]

So guys, I'm getting an ipod touch (3G 8GB) tomorrow. I remember there being this awesome video of this woman introducing the ipod touch, anyone know where I can view this?

Also, I'm a noob at Apple products, so enlighten me please on what I can do with this thing. The thread is huge, and I don't wanna get any misconceptions.

 

[LCfiner]

So guys, I'm getting an ipod touch (3G 8GB) tomorrow. I remember there being this awesome video of this woman introducing the ipod touch, anyone know where I can view this?

Also, I'm a noob at Apple products, so enlighten me please on what I can do with this thing. The thread is huge, and I don't wanna get any misconceptions.

the 8GB model is not actually a third gen model. it's a second gen model with a 30 dollar price drop.

the real 3rd gen models run over twice as fast but start at 300 bucks for the 32 GB model.

just a heads up if you didn't know.

 

[Veidt]

the 8GB model is not actually a third gen model. it's a second gen model with a 30 dollar price drop.

the real 3rd gen models run over twice as fast but start at 300 bucks for the 32 GB model.

just a heads up if you didn't know.

But I can do the usual stuff right? It's just a tad bit slower ( Which I don't mind ). Apps work? Interface is just as awesome?

 

[RubxQub]

But I can do the usual stuff right? It's just a tad bit slower ( Which I don't mind ). Apps work? Interface is just as awesome?

Absolutely. Nothing new on the newer models except the internal specs, so the capabilities are the same, just the performance is different.

If that's the right price point for you, jump in, dude!

 

[jts]

But I can do the usual stuff right? It's just a tad bit slower ( Which I don't mind ). Apps work? Interface is just as awesome?

Yeah, pretty much. It's only slower and has worse graphics (no OpenGL ES support).

No voice control too, but that's not a very big deal.

I don't know nuthin 'bout that video, but you can do pretty much almost everything with it. Browse the internet flawlessly, email back and forth, play a LOTTA awesome games, create and edit documents, make voip calls, use it as a computer mouse pad, watch youtube videos, control iTunes, listen to music, pretend to drink a beer, wobble some tits, take notes, sync its calendar with Google calendar, play around with google earth and google maps, use it with Nike+.

Infinite possibilities.

 

[Veidt]

Holy crap guys, I can't wait to get home from Uni tomorrow and get this baby on my hands!

Please, tell me more

 

[jts]

watch porn on pornhub.com, control your personal finances, use it as a TV guide, as a wi-fi storage disk, read e-books, lose weight, convert stuff.

I don't know mang, everytime I check the app store I'm like "omg, it can do THAT?".

You just have to check it for yourself. It's a wonderful machine.

 

[MDSLKTR]

I just signed 3y with Rogers... I hope Bell and Telus prices won't be too low so that I feel guilty

How much do you pay monthly?
I was considering getting an 32GB itouch, but i saw that rogers offers the iphone 32GB for the same price if you take a 3year contract.

 

[mattiewheels]

is there a way to manually install that carrier update that i got a message for about a week back? my itunes went funny right as it alerted me, and it never asked me again. anything in the update besides MMS?

 

[StopMakingSense]

But I can do the usual stuff right? It's just a tad bit slower ( Which I don't mind ). Apps work? Interface is just as awesome?

Won't record video.

 

[RubxQub]

Won't record video.

iPod Touches can't do this anyways

 

[aku:jiki]

Anyone care to list some essential apps? I've had my iphone for a couple of weeks now, and would really like to know what apps people can't live without...

I think the veterans are really tired of us newbies asking this question, so I'll just go ahead and share my beginner dicoveries for nice apps.

Essential:
Bargain Bin -- Replaces the app store for me almost completely. Free.
Read It Later -- Quick-bookmarking for your PC, that syncs up and downloads the pages you bookmark for offline reading on the phone.
Evernote -- Notes and to-do's. Free, PC version, I think it's better than Awesome Note.
Ping! -- Basically free texting, if your friends have iPhones.

Just fun/party tricks:
PhotoSwap -- Can be a great cure for boredom if you manage to avoid all the balls. Free.
TiltShift -- Way too many of your friends will think that you actually are building a diorama of your parking lot. $3, I think.
Jade -- Simple photo editing before uploading to Facebook. Free.

Virtual instruments/toys:
Ocarina -- Playing it is boring. Listening to other people play in realtime is amazingly relaxing. $1.
Noise.io -- Lets you kind of make your own noise/ambient music to relax to. Has a free version that's good enough.

Games:
ZenBound -- The name actually holds true!
Edge
California Gold Rush -- Really packed with content for $1. Excellent production values as well.
Strategery
Galcon -- Possibly my favorite. Getting your strategy fix and feeling like a genius general has never been this fast.
Pew Pew -- There's supposedly a ton of Geometry Wars clones on the app store, but this is the only one I've found and it is free and kicks ass.
SWEEP MAN
SWEEP MAN
SWEEP MAN
SWEEP MAN

Edit: Good news everyone! Bargain Bin just informed me that Sweep Man is free right now! Hurry to the app store!

 

[jet1911]

How much do you pay monthly?
I was considering getting an 32GB itouch, but i saw that rogers offers the iphone 32GB for the same price if you take a 3year contract.

50$ (student plan)

150min
unlimited weekend/night starts at 5
free top10 everywhere in Canada
500mb

 

[dyls]

Is there a way to import your bookmarks into A Perfect Browser? I'm thinking about getting it, but I love that I was able to import all of my bookmarks from my Mac to my iPhone, and don't want to have to add them all in manually.

 

[jonnybryce]

Anyone care to list some essential apps? I've had my iphone for a couple of weeks now, and would really like to know what apps people can't live without...

myWireless - pay AT&T bill
Facebook
AIM - I'm really not picky about im clients, gets the job done
New York Times
Time Mobile
Fluent News
Kindle
Drop Box - access backed up pc files
Echofon Pro - Twitter. Beats them all, including Tweetie, imo.
Inquisitor - Search the internet
Fandango - movies times/buy tickets
Apple TV Remote - if you have Apple TV
Shazam - tag songs
Slydial - connect to someone's voicemail
Pandora - stream music
Red Laser - scan bar code, find deals
Pandora Box - Track apps
Navigon - gps
Not essential but I like: Fitnio for running, I Am T-Pain to sing like T-Pain, Tv.com and Discovery CHannel, Colorsplash to make pics black and white with color elements.

Is there a way to import your bookmarks into A Perfect Browser? I'm thinking about getting it, but I love that I was able to import all of my bookmarks from my Mac to my iPhone, and don't want to have to add them all in manually.

I don't think so, which sucked. I ended up doing my pc bookmarks to delicious, and then while watching a tv show I bookmarked them from delicious.

 

[mrkgoo]

myWireless - pay AT&T bill
Facebook
AIM - I'm really not picky about im clients, gets the job done
New York Times
Time Mobile
Fluent News
Kindle
Drop Box - access backed up pc files
Echofon Pro - Twitter. Beats them all, including Tweetie, imo.
Inquisitor - Search the internet
Fandango - movies times/buy tickets
Apple TV Remote - if you have Apple TV
Shazam - tag songs
Slydial - connect to someone's voicemail
Pandora - stream music
Red Laser - scan bar code, find deals
Pandora Box - Track apps
Navigon - gps
Not essential but I like: Fitnio for running, I Am T-Pain to sing like T-Pain, Tv.com and Discovery CHannel, Colorsplash to make pics black and white with color elements.



I don't think so, which sucked. I ended up doing my pc bookmarks to delicious, and then while watching a tv show I bookmarked them from delicious.

Interesting - I know it's obviously a very personal thing, but I have not one of your essential, cannot live without apps. Not one.

For me, I think most of the essential apps are actually covered by the default Apple apps.

Some converter/currency app is important for me, however.