RecRoulette
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Is Hajime Tabata a gimmicky wrestler who ended up being a surprisingly good professional trainer?
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Is Hajime Tabata a "tensai"? (genius)
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Came for this.
Overall I wasn't a fan of of Type-0, Crisis Core or Third Birthday. And from what I've heard and from impressions from people that usually match my own, I probably won't like FFXV (still waiting on all DLC). Tabata's games have never really been well designed overall and have had bad stories.
The one thing I'll give him is I like his endings. Type-0's was pretty good, Third Birthday it was the only remotely good part of the entire games story, and Crisis Core'e ending was one of the best I've ever played. That's especially noteworthy since I already knew beforehand exactly how it would end, but the execution was awesome with the way it ties into a game mechanic
The one thing I'll give him is I like his endings. Type-0's was pretty good, Third Birthday it was the only remotely good part of the entire games story, and Crisis Core'e ending was one of the best I've ever played. That's especially noteworthy since I already knew beforehand exactly how it would end, but the execution was awesome with the way it ties into a game mechanic
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
+1
Iva Demilcol
Member
Wow, this translation is a fucking mess.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
One and done. He streamlined the FF15 development nightmare into a product that could be sold.
Everyone forgets about the fact that Type 0 was complete shit.
He's a genius in the same way that Inafune is a genius in that he knows how to manage a project to completion.
He seemingly brought some changes to SQEX development practices that were sorely needed, but all in all I don't think the end results are quite as good as they should be. There's just something wrong about the storytelling in Tabata's games (even moreso than usually for modern SQEX games) and he doesn't seem to have as keen of an eye on gameplay as other directors at SQEX.
Like.. as shitty a story as FFXIII was, cutscenes usually felt like they ran their courses and the story goes through its motions like it should. In comparison both Type-0 & FFXV feel very disjointed, abrupt and just kind of sucky on a whole different level from a storytelling POV. Cutscenes are just edited in a weird way and the overarching story is missing something. And the gameplay in his games is always kinda unpolished and doesn't quite feel as good as it should. While I enjoy the combat in FFXV just fine & think it can be enjoyable, it still a far cry from something like Kingdom Hearts (II, BBS & 0.2 specifically).
Like.. as shitty a story as FFXIII was, cutscenes usually felt like they ran their courses and the story goes through its motions like it should. In comparison both Type-0 & FFXV feel very disjointed, abrupt and just kind of sucky on a whole different level from a storytelling POV. Cutscenes are just edited in a weird way and the overarching story is missing something. And the gameplay in his games is always kinda unpolished and doesn't quite feel as good as it should. While I enjoy the combat in FFXV just fine & think it can be enjoyable, it still a far cry from something like Kingdom Hearts (II, BBS & 0.2 specifically).
Jack Videogames
Member
The hell is that lol
chrisPjelly
Member
What the fuck is everyone talking about???
Nomura? Don't make me laugh. Tenhack, maybe.
AzureFlame
Member
Not "the only one" at all.
Glass Rebel
Member
Shin Hajime Tabata Tensai IV Apocalypse more like.
ScrapBrain
Member
I think the team did an admirable job of piecing together something playable and decent from a really broken semi-game and scattered resources, with a hype train already in full force. If you ask someone who was anticipating the game for 10 years, no he's not a genius, because it likely didn't live up to the hype when it was all said and done...but if you ask a businessperson, he may just say yes, because he managed to take a project heavily in the red and make a profit with time constraints and prior expectations from consumers that mostly delivered. I suppose it's a matter of perspective
Nomura is way better than Tabata. It wasn't Nomura's fault that Versus XIII was taking so long. It wasn't his fault that development was moved to PS4 & Xbone that would further delay the completion of the game no matter who'd helm the project. It wasn't his fault that higher-ups decided at some point that they just want a single FFXV, not the Versus Saga that the project had been allowed to expand into by that point, which lead to some level of reboot & re-evaluation of the direction. Tabata was put in charge of hacking & slashing the ambitious multi-story Versus Saga plans into something that could be done with a single game (+ movie & short anime). That's really not some impossible task only Tabata is capable of and he didn't even do a great job at it.
And say what you will about his storytelling, Kingdom Hearts - crazy twists, shitty dialogue & all - is still far more competently told a story than anything Tabata has done. There's a proper beginning, middle & an end, and character story arcs with adequate build-up & pay-offs in the end. Not that the writing itself is good but there's still this basic competency in the structure & editing of most of it that is completely missing from Tabata's work.
Aggelos
Member
Hajime Tabata is the man.
If only Tabata was to do something with the Parasite Eve series on modern consoles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_3rd_Birthday
I don't think Nomura is lacking anything compared to Tabata. I think the Nomura naysayers/haters will be appeased with Kingdom Hearts III and FF7Remake once they land on their table. Nomura ist still a living legend.
If only Tabata was to do something with the Parasite Eve series on modern consoles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_3rd_Birthday
I don't think Nomura is lacking anything compared to Tabata. I think the Nomura naysayers/haters will be appeased with Kingdom Hearts III and FF7Remake once they land on their table. Nomura ist still a living legend.
mortal
Gold Member
Helped FFXV take off but it sucked ass and changed so much of the original story.
More or less how I feel about the guy.
Etrian Oddity
Member
Chiaki ❤️❤️❤️
I'm dying over here with those pics lol
royox
Member
It's a game about a road trip that should have ended after Lucis and everyone there got Rekt by the empire. "LOL everybody died but CHOCOBOS WOOOOO!!!"
Foxy the Fox
Member
All his games are trash.
LordKasual
Banned
regardless of what anyone thinks of FFXV in the future, Tabata and BD2 have probably paved the future for Square Enix.
i never in a million years would have thought of FF making a jump that big, that fast.
i never in a million years would have thought of FF making a jump that big, that fast.
theofficefan99
Junior Member
Not even close. His extremely bizarre (read: obviously bad) design decisions imply that he is anything but a genius.
UtterlyPerplexed
Member
Tabata is a proven force as a producer. He's going to cement his legacy in the company as one of the few men the executives can fire an email to and ask for him to come up and fix a new colossal mess left on their desk.
But he's not going to convince me anytime soon that he's a decent visionary. The man has established quite the pattern of having games under his wing turn out to be disastrous by satisfactory storytelling standards. If I'm ever going to laud any particular individual for being a genius in this industry, it's not going to be him. But I can at least still respect him for the tremendous sacrifices - both physical and mental I would imagine - to get this mess out the door regardless of how it's turned out. Not an enviable job one bit.
Can I blame Tabata for what I perceive to be FFXV's shortcomings? To a certain extent. I will certainly blame him for whatever can be fairly blamed on someone in the position of a director, which likely ranges from the storytelling and characterisation (or lack thereof in many cases) to okaying the torrent of menial fetch and kill quests dotted around the open world to rival your average middling Asian MMORPG.
But the crux of the issue is Square Enix itself. Time after time we're fooled into believing that all is well within Square Enix. I remember back in 2013 when I believed the worst was over. Surely there would be no more excuses for developmental turmoils that engulfed the company so badly during the last generation. Now we're in 2017 and can look at FFXV at this highly compromised product with gaping holes in its story that requires at least two years' worth of DLC to try and patch up. We're also sensing some worrying initial signs that not all is well with the FFVII remake. At least when it comes to management of the development cycle of modern mainline Final Fantasy games these days, I cannot trust this company to do anything but fuck it up in some way while still taking their sweet time with it.
It was not so long ago that I purged this aspect of Gekiranger from my memory. Now it's back.
But he's not going to convince me anytime soon that he's a decent visionary. The man has established quite the pattern of having games under his wing turn out to be disastrous by satisfactory storytelling standards. If I'm ever going to laud any particular individual for being a genius in this industry, it's not going to be him. But I can at least still respect him for the tremendous sacrifices - both physical and mental I would imagine - to get this mess out the door regardless of how it's turned out. Not an enviable job one bit.
Can I blame Tabata for what I perceive to be FFXV's shortcomings? To a certain extent. I will certainly blame him for whatever can be fairly blamed on someone in the position of a director, which likely ranges from the storytelling and characterisation (or lack thereof in many cases) to okaying the torrent of menial fetch and kill quests dotted around the open world to rival your average middling Asian MMORPG.
But the crux of the issue is Square Enix itself. Time after time we're fooled into believing that all is well within Square Enix. I remember back in 2013 when I believed the worst was over. Surely there would be no more excuses for developmental turmoils that engulfed the company so badly during the last generation. Now we're in 2017 and can look at FFXV at this highly compromised product with gaping holes in its story that requires at least two years' worth of DLC to try and patch up. We're also sensing some worrying initial signs that not all is well with the FFVII remake. At least when it comes to management of the development cycle of modern mainline Final Fantasy games these days, I cannot trust this company to do anything but fuck it up in some way while still taking their sweet time with it.
It was not so long ago that I purged this aspect of Gekiranger from my memory. Now it's back.
Angelus Errare
Banned
ArkhamFantasy
Member
retire this. perfect first post.
royox
Member
YoshiP, the real savior of Squareenix.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
How the fuck do you stumble into directing a mainline Final Fantasy game, like do you literally stumble into the office and SE gives you a 50 million dollar budget unintentionally and everyone just accidentally does what you tell them?
Primethius
Banned
He's a hardworker that delivered a solid but flawed title that released after years of being stuck in development hell.
He also gets an unreasonable amount of hate from some, probably folks who want a person to bash because they are children who don't understand the difficulties of game development or people who get too emotional over their disdain for FFXV.
He also gets an unreasonable amount of hate from some, probably folks who want a person to bash because they are children who don't understand the difficulties of game development or people who get too emotional over their disdain for FFXV.
I agree with this.
The Last One
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Muffdraul
Member
Completely beside the point of my post, but Okay.