Shuggananas
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This is great too :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTVY1PqzgJk (not very SFW, borderline i'd say lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTVY1PqzgJk (not very SFW, borderline i'd say lol)
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It's rather unfortunate how streaming games has become a beggar's paradise...
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hobblygobbly
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I've been watching streamers before twitch even existed back on justin.tv gaming section, I've watched the same guys/girls since and some new ones that have come to twitch - at least the people I watch don't ask or beg for money. I've seen it from other streamers but it depends on what part of twitch you go to. Not all of twitch is the same, the eSport streamers/community is a lot different from the variety community for example, fighting game community, speedrunning community etc. Twitch is not all the same from viewers to streamers.
Besides there are genuine entertainers on twitch. My favourite newcomer is definitely Futuremangaming, entertaining as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVdAAnb01X8
Futureman vs The Black Hole
Futureman's Bright Idea
Futureman Steps Up
He and his show is pretty great. It's just silly fun. I like these parts of twitch.
Besides there are genuine entertainers on twitch. My favourite newcomer is definitely Futuremangaming, entertaining as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVdAAnb01X8
Futureman vs The Black Hole
Futureman's Bright Idea
Futureman Steps Up
He and his show is pretty great. It's just silly fun. I like these parts of twitch.
Well some streams, speedruns and fighting games in particular, are also usually done by people who have spent a long time practicing and planning.
Red Liquorice
Member
lol, at least she seems honest about shaking her booty on cam for cash, was there even a game being played beyond rolling a fluffy dice and bending over to pick it up?!
Yup. It's pathetic.
I always view something like what Giantbomb does as very different because they're atleast offering some somewhat interesting commentary, showing off various elements of a game with the intent of educating (even if they're just figuring it out themselves), and hell, they can actually be funny. And I mean there are actual proper charities, there's actual eSports coverage, there are top players showing off how they do what they do in competitive environments, there are people exposing interesting things that don't generally get coverage for the hope of widening awareness.
The rest of the streaming community though? Fuck that. Zero interest. Obnoxious shits shouting as loud as they can as they play nothing but Call of Duty? Girls going out of their way to show off their cleavage to appease a bunch of sad nerds (because, y'know, it's so much classier than just watching porn)? And then to start blaring you with messages implying what they're producing content that's worth anything? They can do what they want, power to em, but I sure as fuck don't have to watch it.
I always view something like what Giantbomb does as very different because they're atleast offering some somewhat interesting commentary, showing off various elements of a game with the intent of educating (even if they're just figuring it out themselves), and hell, they can actually be funny. And I mean there are actual proper charities, there's actual eSports coverage, there are top players showing off how they do what they do in competitive environments, there are people exposing interesting things that don't generally get coverage for the hope of widening awareness.
The rest of the streaming community though? Fuck that. Zero interest. Obnoxious shits shouting as loud as they can as they play nothing but Call of Duty? Girls going out of their way to show off their cleavage to appease a bunch of sad nerds (because, y'know, it's so much classier than just watching porn)? And then to start blaring you with messages implying what they're producing content that's worth anything? They can do what they want, power to em, but I sure as fuck don't have to watch it.
It happens because people will pay if the content is good enough.
They are making bank just playing video games. No strings attached.
These men and women are smartly utilizing the current trend of game streaming culture. Sure I don't enjoy when streams are prominently doing this stuff, but in the end, I don't look down on the streamer for basically profiting off this little gaming-tech-bubble here. If I had 100.000 viewers every stream i'd open up a paypal too, maybe i'd buy some better gear, i'd quit my part-time job to allocate more time for streaming maybe. Whatever.
I mean, if people are eager to spend a few dollars on the content you create, I say let them.
I respect the hustle. If the channel would suffer harshly from the begging, the viewerships would dry up and so would the revenue stream. It's a problem that actually solves itself.
The people that donate 10$ to their favourite streamer aren't feeling ripped off or robbed, they just voluntarily spend some dollars as a thankyou for the hours of entertainment. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's just the amount of money the big streamers are getting that is making people hella salty, in my opinion. Big fanbases means big bucks, it's pretty logical.
If you despise it, go find another channel and vote with your view. That's all there is to it.
They are making bank just playing video games. No strings attached.
These men and women are smartly utilizing the current trend of game streaming culture. Sure I don't enjoy when streams are prominently doing this stuff, but in the end, I don't look down on the streamer for basically profiting off this little gaming-tech-bubble here. If I had 100.000 viewers every stream i'd open up a paypal too, maybe i'd buy some better gear, i'd quit my part-time job to allocate more time for streaming maybe. Whatever.
I mean, if people are eager to spend a few dollars on the content you create, I say let them.
I respect the hustle. If the channel would suffer harshly from the begging, the viewerships would dry up and so would the revenue stream. It's a problem that actually solves itself.
The people that donate 10$ to their favourite streamer aren't feeling ripped off or robbed, they just voluntarily spend some dollars as a thankyou for the hours of entertainment. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's just the amount of money the big streamers are getting that is making people hella salty, in my opinion. Big fanbases means big bucks, it's pretty logical.
If you despise it, go find another channel and vote with your view. That's all there is to it.
DistortionOfReality
Member
Has he regressed to that level though? I know he does shoutouts for subs and donations but it's literally just a 'Thanks so much for the sub/donation [name]', and I have certainly never seen him doing any level of 'begging'
Disclaimer: the last time I watched his stream was when Bloodborne released.
His friend Ezekiel_III is much worse for the whole 'stop the stream to do the sub welcome' thing
GenericUser
Member
I don't feel the problem. There is such a huge variety in streamers and games and if I don't like one guy I usually find myself liking someone else instead.
Watching streams is great, replaced my usage of a regular tv.
Watching streams is great, replaced my usage of a regular tv.
Dr. Buni
Member
Agreed.
Id watch that
Dude, it's pretty shitty of you to put everyone else under that blanket.
I watch a few different streamers on Twitch and absolutely none of them are like that. Also, Call Of Duty games are never the most popular games on Twitch, there's a big variety. Give it a try before shitting all over it.
You're right, that's an unfair blanket... I enjoy Patrick Klepek's 'Spookin' with Scoops' exploration of various horror games, atleast as a kind of archival piece. Beyond that? No, I'm not interested in some random person badly playing Dark Souls II.
Azure Phoenix
Member
Sadly not, it's just that a lot of speedrunners play obscure games and get less than 20 viewers, which is too little to try and squeeze money out of (although I still see a few that try). Look for any speedrun stream over 100 viewers and you can probably bet they have something on the stream for subs/donations and spend half their time talking about emotes they want to add when they get more subs.
I barely even bother watching Twitch streams now because of how obnoxious the begging for money has become, the odd times I do are a either random speedrunners with a couple of viewers or the odd laid back runner that I know doesn't really care about the money. When I was shiny hunting in OR/AS earlier this year I had a couple of shiny hunting streams on in the background and it was pathetic, non-stop follower/sub thanking to the point where there was basically nothing else coming out of the streamers mouth.
This just made my day!
Ontopic: I'll never understand people watching streams, I always hated watching others play. My hands start itching to do it myself or to take a look in that one corner someone overlooked. Same with sports: hate watching, love doing.
I don't understand the
"It's money for playing videogames" crew.
No, it's not. It's money for hosting & producing an entertaining show. It's not just playing videogames - it's being entertaining while doing so, a pretty rare talent.
"It's money for playing videogames" crew.
No, it's not. It's money for hosting & producing an entertaining show. It's not just playing videogames - it's being entertaining while doing so, a pretty rare talent.
Fuck off with that bullshit. If they feel wanna earn money for their work, they should.
I know you guys are still in your shitty crusade against twitch streamers, but I won't let you take them away from me.
I don't think that's the case.
I bet most people donate for that tiny bit of attention: the caster will say (and often show) your name (and sometimes your message) on a channel watched by hundreds if not thousands of viewers. For others it's more of a busker syndrome: You don't really think much of what you see/hear, but you saw and heard it, so ... I guess you shouldn't just take and give back? I've seen very little begging, but there's lots of not so subtle (and maybe not even intentional) guilting.
I have no problem with these streamers making money off their streams, but the way it's done ... I don't know. It makes me sad. Many of these donations probably come from people who have very little to begin with, and they spend that for a second in the spotlight, a little high. It's pushers and addicts.
If this actually were about content you could get support for, people should set up a Patreon instead. I'm quite certain that their income would drop significantly (unless this, too, were accompanied by a pop-up and a sting) because you'd really now just have people who are paying you to continue doing what you're doing. It would also rid them of the shadiness.
Happened to game play and coverage on Youtube, and has now happened and is in the process of happening on Twitch. Money gets involved and this is what you get.
Its crazy too. You can rarely find some Twitch game streams where someone will stream somewhat regularly. But then they hit some sort of "Followers" goal or something (Im assuming) because one day they have a new Subscribe button (where the channel didnt have one before) and after that, you can literally watch the channel devolve into chimes for every sub, follow, donation and all those annoying fucking verbal call outs during the gameplay. Its just so awful.
Even when you find a good channel, it doesn't seem to last.
She's basically a non nude mfc model and knows how to work her audience.
"Oh someone donated, let me dance and spin in a circle while wearing my short skirt."
It works.
edit: oh and the biggest current donation is called "Biggest D". Any questions?
Is Kripp still the biggest streamer on twitch? He had like 500k followers and you never see donation/subscription popups.
Those couple dollar donations must add up to a lot of money for that to be worth it.
Or maybe some people just don't give a fuck. Which I suppose is more admirable.
I wouldn't subscribe or donate to any streamer.
I feel quite embarrassed at the desperation and faux friendship with viewers some streamers adopt. It is all rather insincere and fake.
Streamers are digital buskers, buy instead of standing on a street they are sitting in their home. It isn't a long term career path.
I feel quite embarrassed at the desperation and faux friendship with viewers some streamers adopt. It is all rather insincere and fake.
Streamers are digital buskers, buy instead of standing on a street they are sitting in their home. It isn't a long term career path.
I've noticed this a fair bit. It's a bit of a shame.
I stream once or twice a month these days. Never ask for donations or subscriptions and I get a decent amount of viewers unadvertised (~100 is my baseline, but when I properly advertise it, I get over 1,000). It's fun to do but if I started to do it for money...urgh, it just seems wrong. I'd never do that.
Summer Haze
Banned
I was watching a stream the other night and 'peanut butter jelly time' would play every time the dude received a sub. He would stop what he was doing and start dancing and singing along. It just comes across as so fake and forced, not to mention obnoxious.
Kripp steams the correct way.
Unlike that other wank who recently stated watching his stream without paying was the equivilant to piracy.
Impeccable
Member
Find a stream that suits your needs and move on. Stop over generalizations based on your perception of what constitutes over bearing notifications.
You have people like Daniel Negraneau streaming poker, teaching and sharing free strategies. Streaming is just getting started now. We're are looking at the literal start of this.
You have people like Daniel Negraneau streaming poker, teaching and sharing free strategies. Streaming is just getting started now. We're are looking at the literal start of this.
Agree.
What if...just what if people would stop giving attention to something that thay want to hate on and just not give a fuck?
You can't change it. Accept it and don't get stressed by something you can avoid.
There's gonna be a TwitchCon?
Everyone there is going to think of themselves as the most important person in the room.
Shuggananas
Banned
Indeed, a battle of over inflated egos.
I've started to run a stream once a week, for myself and friends, where I play through something in my backlog without a facecam and without much in the way of commentary (especially where it tends to be last gen JRPGs and I don't want to talk over cutscenes). So you're basically just getting gameplay and me explaining the odd mechanic or answering questions from my friends. I still have the odd random person join the chat and, rather than leave, actively bitch that I'm not talking. It cracks me up.
Personally, I'm at the point now where I'll only watch the odd stream of a speedrun that I'm interested in or an event that I'm interested in. Every time I try to find streams of games I'm otherwise interested in (of late, it's been Elite), I land on one of these obnoxious channels.
Personally, I'm at the point now where I'll only watch the odd stream of a speedrun that I'm interested in or an event that I'm interested in. Every time I try to find streams of games I'm otherwise interested in (of late, it's been Elite), I land on one of these obnoxious channels.
I've watched a few streams of a blind play through of Dark Souls the last few days. People are enjoying going on the journey with a new player. People have given tips on how basic mechanics of the game work that aren't actually explained in the game, but other than that spoilers have been purged if people have posted them.
I don't really see what is difficult to understand about it being fun to watch someone play a game for the first time under that setting. He just got to the swamp in Blightown and he thinks it is his favorite game of all time. It is fun to watch him figure things out and experience the game.
A lot of salt in this thread. If someone told you that you could make thousands of dollars a month from steaming yourself playing video games, you wouldn't do it? I only watch Hearthstone streams, and I have no problem with the little dings, jingles and recommendations for donations and subs.
It's easy to say "I'd never whore myself out doing something I love" when you either don't stream or have 5 viewers. Can't fault a person who has 5,000 people watching for hustling to make some money.
It's easy to say "I'd never whore myself out doing something I love" when you either don't stream or have 5 viewers. Can't fault a person who has 5,000 people watching for hustling to make some money.
I'm not sure anyone is arguing otherwise, but rather that the streams that seemingly are the most popular and those that make the most money are those with large amounts of BS (ugly overlays, interruptions etc). People must like that stuff a lot, regardless of the opinion of most people in this thread.
Speaking for myself, I've generally found those that stream only for fun are the most free from that nonsense thus have more value to me. I am puzzling the taste of a lot of people, but in that sense streaming is no different from any other type of mass media.
Tried to watch a stream of MKX the other day whilst mine was still downloading. It was some jumped up bint with big chakkas continually asking for 'subs' and when she got to 400 she put her pad down ( mid online ranked game ) and started spinning her hair around asking if we liked that....... She was shit at the game as well.
Fair enough, people are practicisng and everyone sucks at some point but she wasn't playing games on Twitch to show off the game and discuss with people, she was just a dozy twonk trying to make money with out any care for the game at all.
As much as I love a big pair of funbags she was so irritating.
Fair enough, people are practicisng and everyone sucks at some point but she wasn't playing games on Twitch to show off the game and discuss with people, she was just a dozy twonk trying to make money with out any care for the game at all.
As much as I love a big pair of funbags she was so irritating.
I am not going to quote everyone, because it'll be pointless, but BEGGING DOES NOT EQUAL that I am against the spirit of making money on current trends. I am strictly talking about the prevalent begging that is present on Twitch. If you're channel has 100 views and I already see a donation link, than I see that as begging.
I am all for people making money how they can.
I am all for people making money how they can.
I could also quite easily go out on the side of the road and beg for change, become an exotic dancer, or start dealing drugs. Just because something is potentially lucrative doesn't mean that you have to jump on it simply because the opportunity is there.
Some people have principles.
Mr. Giggles
Member
I'm with you OP. I prefer watching streamers who focus on the game and strategies rather than viewer counts and sub's.
Mr. Nice_Guy
Member
Really don't pay attention to it, used to watch Maximilian, and still watch some of his YT stuff, but yeah I got tired of twitch pretty quickly.
This reminds me of those two twitch girls recently who were calling people out for saying they didn't have talent or something? If you got it use it; but I just remember thinking it was funny that two girls making a living off showing their bodies for donations were getting up on a pedestal to criticize people's work ethic.
Nothing against what they are doing, but don't think that's a pedestal you really have any business being on.
This reminds me of those two twitch girls recently who were calling people out for saying they didn't have talent or something? If you got it use it; but I just remember thinking it was funny that two girls making a living off showing their bodies for donations were getting up on a pedestal to criticize people's work ethic.
Nothing against what they are doing, but don't think that's a pedestal you really have any business being on.
AkelisRain
Member
All I do is play games on stream. Most I ever got was 5 viewers.
Women making money using their sexuality is an age-old art. Nothing will ever change about that, and not something I care about. Also, it's very easy to avoid those channels. I don't want this thread to devolve into discussions about cam girls.
If I ever streamed, I'd be happy with 1 viewer. Think about it: you have 5 people using their time to watch you play video games. Sounds good to me.
All I do is play games on stream. Most I ever got was 5 viewers.
If I ever streamed, I'd be happy with 1 viewer. Think about it: you have 5 people using their time to watch you play video games. Sounds good to me.
gigantor21
Member
Jesus Christ. D:
Ah, yes, the classic not liking something = jealousy argument.
I watch plenty of streams on Twitch--mainly the ones who don't do obnoxious shit like this and just offer good content straight up. I have no problem with streamers making money off of their work. -_-
Same reason why girls will be dressed like that in advertisements. It sells
Birgitte2004
Member
I'm ok with the mid-level streamers who call out a follow/sub/donation every few minutes, don't let it interrupt the game, and don't beg for money.
The ones that annoy me are the ones where every 30 seconds they stop what they are doing to beg for subs or talk about some product that they get money to promote.
Of course it's hard to tell which ones will become the money-beggars, a lot of times the mid-level guys I've followed turn into the latter as they get more popular.
The ones that annoy me are the ones where every 30 seconds they stop what they are doing to beg for subs or talk about some product that they get money to promote.
Of course it's hard to tell which ones will become the money-beggars, a lot of times the mid-level guys I've followed turn into the latter as they get more popular.
The Elite
BOSS
I see this on PSN as well. There seems to be a strange obsession with watching people open digital packs. FIFA has a huge following for that.
Pretty much echoes my view
I understand watching a really good player playing a competative game but watching some idiot playing a whatevers on tap while only thanking people i will never understand
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