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Kazunori Yamauchi tweets details about GT5 Spec II (free, 9-15th October)
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ZeroRay said:
Yeah I completely agree, particulary compared to other console games. It's why even though GT5 for me was a letdown, I'm still happy having purchased this game rather than renting. My PS3 shitted out on me though and GT5 disc got dented in the process of getting it out so will not be able to experience Spec II. If by E3 there is sill no hint of PS4 hitting soon then I'll pick up another PS3 and hope Spec II will be released on disc.
AgentChris said:
One for consoles games, other for handheld games.
AgentChris
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PD has 2 studios now. I suppose one can focus on models and the other can focus on the gameplay stuff.
Outsourcing can be quite a gamble, sure it can at times help you decrease the development time, but if not done right, it can cause delays, slowing the whole process down and costing you time and money.
Not only is PD's method safer, but they also get to keep their tech in-house, which is always a plus.
what's the point of outsourcing if you have to keep holding their hands?
Not only is PD's method safer, but they also get to keep their tech in-house, which is always a plus.
Yoboman said:
what's the point of outsourcing if you have to keep holding their hands?
AgentChris
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Damn right.Mush said:
Kenshin001
Member
Mush said:
Yet he allowed all those crap standard cars, tracks with 2D trees, clunky UI etc. Before the game came out the excuse was he was a perfectionist and everything had to be spot on. Kaz should get his priorities right.
I really don't understand all the backslapping for Kaz. It's like building a highway full of potholes and bumps and congratulating the council when they fix it. There was near zero interaction with fans and gamers before the game was released and if I remember Kaz said he didn't pay much attention to other games. It showed.
Surely he must have some apprentice he's taken under his wing over these years?AgentChris said:Damn right.
Translator-san, perhaps?
http://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-wanted-another-2-years-for-gt5-development/Kenshin001 said:
Kenshin001
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Mush said:
Which just emphasises my point that they should hire more people or outsource. They are obviously incapable of achieving their ideal state and instead have fallen far short.
funkystudent
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couldnt they just get a sign that says "NEEDS MORE POLYGONS!" and hang it in the other studio.Mush said:
sure they could get a second team to model cars... I mean not the important cars like the Ferrari's and race cars but the hatchbacks and random Toyota's and stuff.
Modeling a car isnt exactly some major feat that can only be done at PD. if they can find a talented enough studio to outsource to and PD can give them a number of standards to meet when getting source material for cars and how accurate they got to be then I dont see the problem. it would give the main team more man power to do better tracks and make the actual game better.
oh and play testing.... PD should probably play test more. That menu system really shouldn't have made it to retail. its better now but god they should playtest in EU/US next time.
Metalmurphy
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I can't take anyone who still metions "2D Trees" seriously...
Have you guys seen GT5s Nurburgring? It's the best representation of the track ANYWHERE, 2D Trees is actually a benefit here, it's easier to make a representation of the real thing in 2D rather then using some 3D Trees that have nothing to do with the real thing like most games use, because the real thing would be to complex to do fully in 3D.
There is no downside to using 2D trees other then the fact that you can use it for trolling in game forums. If you're complaining about a racing game like GT5 using 2D Trees your nothing but a troll and you couldn't care less about the game.
Have you guys seen GT5s Nurburgring? It's the best representation of the track ANYWHERE, 2D Trees is actually a benefit here, it's easier to make a representation of the real thing in 2D rather then using some 3D Trees that have nothing to do with the real thing like most games use, because the real thing would be to complex to do fully in 3D.
There is no downside to using 2D trees other then the fact that you can use it for trolling in game forums. If you're complaining about a racing game like GT5 using 2D Trees your nothing but a troll and you couldn't care less about the game.
Kenshin001
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Nurburgring looks great, can't deny that. The trees on Autumn Ring look laughable though. I don't really "care" about GT5, it's not my child, but I did pay money for it and was pretty disappointed given it was supposed to be the pinnacle of 5 years work, a graphical showcase and a new era in the series. Part of the problem was the huge discrepancy in standard ie. half the game looked magnificent, half looked like an upgraded PS2 game, the handling was fantastic but the UI and car management were shit etc. etc.
I see this thread has now turned into complaints about how the long development time. What in the fuck does that matter now? Yeah the waiting sucked, but it's here now and they have supported the game for almost a year.
PD could have stopped at 1.06 or 1.08 and kept everything else back for GT6, then release it in November 2012. Would that have been better for us? I don't think so.
PD could have stopped at 1.06 or 1.08 and kept everything else back for GT6, then release it in November 2012. Would that have been better for us? I don't think so.
DukeTogo1300
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I think the 2D trees look fine, more of a photorealism approach.
DukeTogo1300
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Nevermind three...
Kenshin001 said:
Considering it's arguably still the best looking console sim racer out there, and probably will be till this generation ends, I don't really see where you're going with this.
Even the 2D tree's argument is pretty worthless, you can see from comparison pictures with the competition it doesn't really make much of a difference in real world graphics and can even often look better depending on the implementation.
I agree, a lot of it was less than ideal, but then a lot of it was ground breaking too. The new physics and driving engine is the best on a console, then there's the weather, night racing, rally, snow, go-karting, Daytona etc. A tonne of content that a lot of the competition still has yet to match.
Metalmurphy said:
As a GT5 supporter, this defensive spin is particularly cringe worthy.
Fair enough that 2D trees allow a focus of limited resources onto other areas that are more pressing and important to the experience of driving...
But 'nothing to do with the real thing ... because the real thing would be too complex to do fully in 3D is facepalmingly illogical.
You can do decent quality '3D trees' with basic geometry for the trunk and alpha transparent textures for the branches and leaves.
Dr Frasier Crane
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elektrixx said:
Get better.
SolidSnakex
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elektrixx said:
There have been very few requests for that feature, so I really wouldn't be holding out for it.
gundamkyoukai
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If they ever do add rewinding during gameplay i hope you get nothing if you finish a race using it.
No money , points , trophies , cars etc etc .
No money , points , trophies , cars etc etc .
KKRT00 said:
It's fine to have 2D trees - especially in areas that are not as visible.
But should 3D trees be excluded completely? I think a balance of 3D trees along the most visible stretches and 2D trees elsewhere would be a the most decent compromise.
That said; trees aren't a big deal to me - the only point I was trying to make was; it's possible to do acceptable 3D trees that kill the performance of a game or development. It wasn't an argument that all trees must be in 3D.
SolidSnakex
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darkwing said:
I'm still not even sure about what he means when he compares it to GT. Does he want them to create arcadey spinoffs of GT?
pslayer666
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This is the greatest news ever!!! Mid-saves in endurance races, my life has got some meaning back again!!!!
This is fucking AWESOME!!!! ^_^
This is fucking AWESOME!!!! ^_^
I wouldn't call GT5 generic.
GT5 special events are quirky and charming.
Samba Bus, AMG, NASCAR, Rally, Karting, etc. all have their own personality.
The B Spec AI is rather temperamental too. ^_^
Hope Polyphony took the valid criticisms to heart and fix them, but please follow their own vision at the same time.
GT5 special events are quirky and charming.
Samba Bus, AMG, NASCAR, Rally, Karting, etc. all have their own personality.
The B Spec AI is rather temperamental too. ^_^
Hope Polyphony took the valid criticisms to heart and fix them, but please follow their own vision at the same time.
Well, galian does make the valid point that PD have never really done anything different. It's the same broken formula from years gone by, same options, same design, same events. It's just getting old now.
But wanting GT to evolve like NFS?? NFS went backwards for a decade, and is only just beginning to recover. We want GT to actually move forward.
But wanting GT to evolve like NFS?? NFS went backwards for a decade, and is only just beginning to recover. We want GT to actually move forward.
Goldrusher
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Nürburgring = brand new, made for GT5Kenshin001 said:
Autumn Ring = not changed since GT3
I know that's not an excuse, they should have remade Autumn Ring. But it's not fair to compare the two.
They did redo the High Speed Ring and even a completely new interpretation of Chamonix.
Deep Forest and Trial Mountain on the other hand were copied from GT4/GT3 without a single change.
Never understood why they bothered to remake some tracks, but not others. And why they didn't include every single GT4 track.
Either remake them all in GT5-quality, or include them all even if they're GT4-quality.