It's about perception. The perception is Nintendo doesn't get games like Skyrim. By offering counter-marketing techniques, you're more likely to get peoples' attention.
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Kimishima: 2 million Switch units shipped by FY's end
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It's about perception. The perception is Nintendo doesn't get games like Skyrim. By offering counter-marketing techniques, you're more likely to get peoples' attention.
Shield TV without the LCD and other components of the tablet costs $199. Shield Tablet without the controller, charger and cables costs $199. If the Shield Tablet is the reference, adding the joy-cons, the dock as a charger/TV port and necessary cables as minimum should make it cost more than $200. $250 is pretty much a safe medium, but I won't be surprised if it's higher or just a little bit lower than that. I don't see it near $200 at launch though.
Wii U 299 is basic one though. And that bundle is given zero fcuk by everybody as all they wanted is the 349 deluxe bundle. Hell, u can basically said that 299 bundle does not exist lol.
The NS CPU is faster than XB1's, why would it have performance issues because of the CPU?
I mean I don't even expect it to be a launch title. Just saying the games in the trailer are appealing to someone. I don't believe the Switch will do well anything above $250. And I can see it actually being $250 as a fair and good price. In addition, to all those ports people supposedly don't care about, there is still a mainline Zelda that has yet to be played before. I'm hoping they mimic the Wii launch in hype and single SKU (if rumors are true) with a superior launch line up.
SinCityAssassin
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In all honesty if it came with a pack-in and the joy grip, I can see it be $299.
$249 for just the base unit with dock.
$249 for just the base unit with dock.
I know that if it costs 250 I'll buy the device plus a couple of games at launch and more on a regural basis. If it's 300 or more I'm most likely skipping it till late 2017. My point is that Nintendo should focus on selling the device to as many people as possible since their profits will come from selling games. But, idk maybe it's me who feels like that.
paradise_circus
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I really don't think so .Care to eloborate?
PdotMichael
Banned
And now the perception is that Nintendo celebrates a years old game for their new gaming system.
There isn't really a problem of showing Skyrim in the trailer but couldn't they give another bigger third party game such screentime?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That was exactly the problem it only sold to Nintendo hardcore which is why it bombed, the type of people that cares less about the price. If the wii u had any mass market traction the cheaper bundle would have sold much better. I'd hazard a guess they don't want to repeat that scenario.
I don't think it is a good idea to make many bundle again here. It had been seen again and again that buyers only wanted the best bundle here so, it would be nice to just put everything complete in one 279 bucks here
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
2m in launch month sounds realistic.
Didn't Wii U sell pretty good in its launch month also?
I think I remember something like 1.7m or something?
Someone correct me on that, please.
Didn't Wii U sell pretty good in its launch month also?
I think I remember something like 1.7m or something?
Someone correct me on that, please.
GhostTrick
Banned
It's not a home console though, even if Nintendo want to market it as such.
How do you know they're not aiming to please me ? Enlight me, which audience am I ? Considering I'm satisfied with my 3DS, which sold like 60M units and not happy with my Wii U, which sold less than 13M units. And tell me who's Nintendo is aiming please.
1. That remains to be proven
2. Unity games have huge issues on home consoles, such as PS4 and XB1. And we're not talking about issues you can fix with a 20% faster CPU.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Yeah but Wii U suffered from "rettbone" disease
ghost trick based off what you said. Obviously not you. Dont take a genuis to understand that.
SinCityAssassin
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in its first six weeks? ~890,000 in NA.
Why exactly isn't it a home console?
GhostTrick
Banned
Because having a dock with a video out doesn't make it a home console. Would you call your laptop a desktop ?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Probably because it seems to be closer to a pap with a dock
GhostTrick
Banned
Then whom ?
Tell me who's interested in buying a console for games that didn't make them buy a Wii U and a 5 years old port.
LCGeek gave us the CPU performance, which is around PS4 Pro to better than PS4 Pro. LCGeek leaked Wii and Wii U's CPU so they have a history of getting it right.
Nostremitus
Member
Well... Should I pre-order 2 or 3? Lol
Castef
Banned
Not so "ok" if you look at the first month 3DS sales, actually (about 3.5M).
Let's see...
Wow, that really is something if it pans out. Could you link me to where he said that?
Edit:
That's slightly unfair, 3ds had a full month, while the Switch could have just half a month or so (depending on when in March it launches).
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
What about worldwide, though?
SinCityAssassin
Member
Wouldn't you think more competent Unity efforts would fare better porting to the Switch based on a more familiar NVidia architecture?
GhostTrick
Banned
AMD is a familiar architecture too. Then again, GPU wasn't the problem, CPU is.
Well, let's take a trip down memory lane:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=507807
It's not the same game! It's not the same content!
Having a console that sits at home and connects to your TV for modern 3d gaming makes it a home console. Just because it also decouples from it's dock and has the additional functionality of being able to be taken with you does not make that any less true.
Moreover, we don't know much about it's specs yet other than whatever speculation can tell us about the Tegra architecture and what a custom chip might look like from there. And Emily's rumors which coincidentally put it in home console territory anyway.
We don't know if the dock improves performance, and if so by how much. However if it DOES improve performance, then one might say that the home experience is the most definitive experience for core gamers, making it a... wait for it... home console first and foremost. Yes?
GhostTrick
Banned
Seriously, have you seen it ?
Don't tell me this 6 inch screen is a home console. As for improving performance, the dock itself is likely doing nothing. It'll basically act as ANY portable hardware acts when getting plugged to the power socket.
But having a system which supports local multiplayer and different Gamepad connectivity isn't a handheld either. By the way it's presented it's mre of home console experience, which you can take on the go then a handheld experience which you can output on your TV.
WhiteWaterM00se
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I bet it doesn't launch worldwide now in march. Maybe NA and Japan in march. 2 million seems a little low, or it launches at the very end of the month.
You mean the same 3DS that had a shit launch lineup and had to have a drastic price cut and caused Nintendo to make headlines by having its first financial loss in many years?
Prisoner KSC2-303
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Braced for £299.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
GhostTrick
Banned
That's called their new gimmick.
It's like saying having two screens on NDS doesn't make it a handheld.
Two million is sensible.
I see a global release date of Friday 17th March 2017.
Priced £250 without pro controller.
Maybe a £320 launch bundle with Zelda and pro controller.
£300 would be a risk. Both the One and PS4 will be priced cheaper than that, people have friends on them already, they have bigger game libraries, they're more powerful, and have blu-ray drives.
I see a global release date of Friday 17th March 2017.
Priced £250 without pro controller.
Maybe a £320 launch bundle with Zelda and pro controller.
£300 would be a risk. Both the One and PS4 will be priced cheaper than that, people have friends on them already, they have bigger game libraries, they're more powerful, and have blu-ray drives.
For a home console, 299 would be fine, but it would again be underpowered. They need to sell it for what it is, a hybrid, and find the added value in that which they need to promote.
For me, 299 is the absolute maximum I'm paying after the WiiU, and it needs a pack in game. A real game, not a proof of concept demo. Maybe a third party game, why not skyrim.
250 would be better and I'd bite without a pack in game. Yet I don't understand Nintendo's reasoning here. They aren't strapped for cash, so if they don't want to sell at a loss, they should just sell it with zero profit in order to give the console the best chances to succeed. Having this thing succeed should be number one on their priority list, well above making money on hardware.
This is coming from a 25 year long (not old) Nintendo only gamer.
For me, 299 is the absolute maximum I'm paying after the WiiU, and it needs a pack in game. A real game, not a proof of concept demo. Maybe a third party game, why not skyrim.
250 would be better and I'd bite without a pack in game. Yet I don't understand Nintendo's reasoning here. They aren't strapped for cash, so if they don't want to sell at a loss, they should just sell it with zero profit in order to give the console the best chances to succeed. Having this thing succeed should be number one on their priority list, well above making money on hardware.
This is coming from a 25 year long (not old) Nintendo only gamer.
Seriously, have you seen it ?
Don't tell me this 6 inch screen is a home console. As for improving performance, the dock itself is likely doing nothing. It'll basically act as ANY portable hardware acts when getting plugged to the power socket.
No, that 6 inch screen is the main console. The home console is that screen and the dock together, and despite you claiming it's basically nothing, we simply don't know that yet, and should probably reserve judgement on what this is "worth" as a console until we do. Might turn out you are right, but it just sounds like you are assuming a bit much at this point, especially when there are a lot of details we don't know yet.
Let's hope they don't do something silly like make it $299 in the US and £299 in the UK
That's not wise given that a big chunk of their revenues comes from hardware sales. If they sell this at a loss or 0 profit, might as well go third party selling software.
Wouldn't be that silly anymore. Dollar and pound are very close atm.
I thought all their money came from first party? Like Mario Kart bringing in a lot of money every generation. A loss is a definite no. Minimal profit on the console at launch and then minor profit as parts become cheaper is possible. They need to take a hit somewhere.
Nintendo get tons of money from hardware. It is essentially their bread and butter bruh,
exactly, now more than ever the $ and £ prices will be level imo.
Prisoner KSC2-303
Member
I'm doubly braced for that. No idea what the yen's like these days, but the exchange rate after Brexit could screw us.
It wouldn't be so surprising considering the value of GBP right now. Don't forget uk prices include the VAT - this isn't the case for US If I'm not mistaken.
No it's not.
This is false. They'd still earn royalties from third party publishers, they still keep 100% of their own software. Which would not be the case if they weren't 3rd party.
Making this console succeed, is much much more important than making a profit on a device people find overpriced.