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Kong: Skull Island Director Takes on Cinema Sins
- Thread starter Cruxist
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Ok? Would you be upset if you found our Louie CK didn't really talk to a guy who was having trouble with his cell phone before telling a story about it in his act? I guess I just don't understand the criticism here. Seems like the most frivolous/harmless comedy in the world to me.
I would say they're on the same spectrum as CS in terms of impacting (negatively) online discourse of popular films. Any conversation about Star Wars is going to elicit an "It's so dense" or "It's like poetry, it rhymes" as if those are legitimate criticisms or insights in and of themselves.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Except a lot of the shit they complain about isn't flaws at all and they're either ignoring the clarity to make a point or they're too dumb to understand what's going on.
This is one of four (I think) videos pointing out the CinemaSins bullshit: https://youtu.be/_qxgkOIsHUs
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
The people behind Cinema Sins aren't trying to be obtuse.
They're just that fuckin' dumb.
They're just that fuckin' dumb.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The problem is that the videos aren't just comedy, they actually put their opinions of the film into CS videos. So the comedy isn't all there because some of the sins were meant to be taken seriously (and thus were actually just them not paying attention to context), and what little criticism there is diluted for the sake of dumb, unfunny jokes.
Inferno313
Banned
You literally can't bring up Boyhood, a kind-of wonderful film, on this site without someone screaming: "IT TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAKE" because they saw it on a shitty RLM video instead of actually watching Boyhood.
That seems only to happen with the prequels, not necessarily the OT. I don't lump RLM with the CS tier because RLM at least offers some criticisms that actually have merit and value and aren't just completely oblivious to the tone of a scene. Plus they will often offer an alternative suggestion to make the scene or movie better as well as compliment anything a movie actually does well. Basically the RLM guys seem like they have some level of knowledge when it comes to movie making, while the CinemaSins guys are literally just guys who don't have a clue.
My biggest complaint about RLM is their stupid dark humor shit they put into their earlier Plinkett videos
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Their Plinkett Reviews are similarly cynical and nit-picky to Cinema Sins, but the rest of their output not so much.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
People saying that CinemaSins isn't meant to be real criticism still use it as a foundation for their own.
When you distill film criticism into easily shareable memes, it really does ruin discourse. There is so much more wrong with BvS than "Martha!"
When you distill film criticism into easily shareable memes, it really does ruin discourse. There is so much more wrong with BvS than "Martha!"
That is incredibly dumb.
Truer words were never chanted.
I hadn't even realized it, but that's a perfect example of the problem.
Wolfe
Member
So you disagree with his ghostbusters review? Just curious. The RLM guys have their issues but to lump them in with cinema sins seems way excessive to me. Admittedly I haven't seen any of their recent movie review vids in a bit but overall I enjoy their stuff and have never gotten that kinda vibe from it, I've also disagreed with them on stuff at times.
Give me a break, can you not see the difference between a joke made up for stand up comedy vs lying about details to make a "joke" about a movie that doesn't even apply?
Seems like the complete opposite to "comedy" to me.
Yeah I'm not sure I'm cool with people trying to backdoor RLM bash when the RLM guys have demonstrated to some level of competence.
Prince of Space
Banned
The only thing separating RLM from CS is that RLM forms their nitpicks into mostly coherent video essays and CS just farts up the first thing that comes to mind as the movie plays out.
Thanks for letting us know, brave YouTube viewer.
Thanks for letting us know, brave YouTube viewer.
Was subbed to cinamesins for a short while. Their first few videos were generally funny so I figured I would sub and enjoy more content. Then I quickly realized their newer work (this was a year or maybe more ago) was neither fun norminsightful. They counted sunsfor perfectly reasonable and normal scenes and dialogue.
I see they are still at it and I can see how a director would get annoyed at non-criticism like that getting so many views while poisoning impressionable viewers on his movie.
I see they are still at it and I can see how a director would get annoyed at non-criticism like that getting so many views while poisoning impressionable viewers on his movie.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Episode 1: Dale Cooper isn't back = 1 sin
Episode 2: Dale Cooper still isn't back = 2 sins
Episode 14: Where the fuck is Dale Cooper? = 9583948503 sins
admiraltaftbar
Member
Cinemasins is garbage tier comedy and this video proves it. MST3K/Rifftrax is funny because they actually watch the movie and spent time enjoying it and writing jokes about it. CinemaSins is basically let's do everything as half assed as we can but then also somehow blame it on the movie itself as if we are actually critical of it. If your show fails at the two things it's trying to do it's just bad.
Edit: totally agree with Kong, young impressional people watching this kind of tripe hurts the movie industry and we be better off without it.
crisdecuba
Member
Technically not in this case, as they wait for the movie to be released on Home video.
I'd say that's less RLM's fault and more people who incessantly quote things and think it's funny, in the same way that "The cake is a lie" wasn't bad writing, it was just the internet repeated it until it was obnoxious as fuck.
Inferno313
Banned
Sure. I think Ghostbusters is fine. It's not great. It's not as good as the original. But, it's fine. Not that I think the problem is the fact that they dislike Ghostbusters. I don't care about that. David Ehrlich, one of my favorite critics, dislikes Ghostbusters. I think the idea of spending an hour tearing apart Ghostbusters a year after any and all conversation has died down, so that you can reignite the passions of a toxic fanbase and reap the rewards through ad rev is a bigger problem. It's, like CinemaSins, really just cynical lowest common denominator criticism. They're just better at presenting it.
Why does everybody just assume that they made the Ghostbusters review just to reignite the toxic fanbase and reap rewards for it?
Why are you only allowed to make a breakdown video/review of a movie when it's a brand new movie?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Your trigger appears to be situated on a different group of nerve endings, yes.
Its pretty much right up front though.
It's not sneaky or anything.
There are feathers attached to the same bird here.
The poster doth protest too much, methinks
There were over a dozen pages on the Plinkett anouncement of people going the sexism angle, and the actual review did nothing outside of praising the actresses while blaming the writing and direction of the movie's flaws. What do you think? People like to think up narratives to make sure they are always right.
"Is Bobby Roberts replacing RLM?"
I don't even remember what video that one was from, I just see it everywhere
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Did you watch the video?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
If I had I wouldn't be asking
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
True.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
That's racist!
I was relieved that they didn't go into that stuff at all and kept the focus on the movie and what worked and didn't work. Honestly their Ghostbusters review was maybe the most well put together and fair breakdown they've done under the Plinkett banner aside from maybe Titanic or Star Trek 09. So people trying to lump them in with CinemaSins really confuses the shit out of me.
LinkSlayer64
Member
I don't find Cinema Sins always funny
but I do find it funny.
But I also don't just watch Cinema Sins, I look at movie reviews, I watch RLM, I read some user opinions.
The issue isn't just Cinema Sins, the issue is people don't want to engage in actual discussion about a movie if they want to hate it, and they don't look at multiple sources, everybody is just looking for the confirmation to their pre-established opinions.
I also never found honest trailers funny, opinions and all I suppose.
Feel free to hate me, I guess.
p.s. I did like Kong.
Let's actually just sum this all up - I don't watch CinemaSins for meaningful criticism on a movie, AND NEITHER SHOULD ANYONE ELSE
but I do find it funny.
But I also don't just watch Cinema Sins, I look at movie reviews, I watch RLM, I read some user opinions.
The issue isn't just Cinema Sins, the issue is people don't want to engage in actual discussion about a movie if they want to hate it, and they don't look at multiple sources, everybody is just looking for the confirmation to their pre-established opinions.
I also never found honest trailers funny, opinions and all I suppose.
Feel free to hate me, I guess.
p.s. I did like Kong.
Let's actually just sum this all up - I don't watch CinemaSins for meaningful criticism on a movie, AND NEITHER SHOULD ANYONE ELSE
if RLM is lowest common denominator, then what is something like chris stuckman?
GhostWriter24
Member
Am not a fan of how CinemaSins constantly shits all over every film. There's no such thing as a perfect movie.
Seductivpancakes
Member
Every film regardless if it's good or bad, deserves to be analyzed and criticized should it be warranted.
And you know "decent' isn't even a negative word.
Predator wants a word with you!!
But RoboCop exists
They don't shit over every movie. They have sinned literally tons of movies that jeremy loves. It's meant to be fun nitpicks because nitpicking is fun to a lot of people.
