He hates his teams owner, Cavs can't beat golden stat for the foreseeable future, why not test out a lag market for post basketball career. Anythings possible though i guess he could be back but seems unlikely.
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Kyrie Irving wants to be traded from the Cavs LeBron blindsided
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He hates his teams owner, Cavs can't beat golden stat for the foreseeable future, why not test out a lag market for post basketball career. Anythings possible though i guess he could be back but seems unlikely.
You missed him getting destroyed by the Warriors in the finals. And being stuck on a team with no future of any kind while being bogged down by a bunch of terrible contracts. Plus he bailed twice already when he saw that his teams weren't winning shit. He will do it a 3rd time most likely.
Ninja Scooter
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A lot of smoke in the way of media/source leaks, a strained relationship between Bron and Gilbert, and LeBron taking a reduced role in terms of free agent recruitment and decisions. The fact that Cleveland shopped Love all summer, and now Kyrie is asking out, is not all coincidental. It seems like all parties involved are getting ready for a Bron/Cavs split and preparing accordingly.
Khaos Kontrol
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Dude, hop off the Greg Monroe shit, please.
ryutaro's mama
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Ok, that was pretty good.
Kyries trade value took a hit the minute he requested to be traded. Cavs lost some leverage the minute that happened. They are highly unlikely to get assets that are equal to Kyrie's value at this point.
Ninja Scooter
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He's got 3 years left on his deal. The Cavs have all the leverage.
Damn let me dream. Ky for Anthony Davis would be the greatest trade in Cavs history.
Since I'm dreaming tell me this trade wouldn't make Bron stay:
kyrie + love + Thompson for Westbrook + George + Adams
Bron stays in Cleveland if we make this trade. Bring in DRose and #Cavstape is back. Bring back the fierce wine and gold jerseys from the mid 2000s and watch us return to the finals with a vengeance.
Syphon Filter
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Love is there and he can get someone else to come.
Yea aight, they are in an even worse position than knicks.
Sure. I can agree to disagree. Since it won't happen there isn't much point analysing it anyway.
Kyrie has 3 years left on his deal. Unless he physically refuses to suit up no team really gives a crap what he has to say about where he wants to play.
While I don't he wouldve stayed for a 3peat try if they had won, I doubt the Warriors are the catalyst here.
No matter how good he actually is, Kyrie is an alpha type. He's not the type to play second or sometimes even 3rd fiddle. You have to remember Kobe is his biggest mentor.
Bron on the other hand seems obsessed with beating the Warriors.
Dreams-Visions
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short and sweet.
cheers man. trying to keep it light
"Momma I got dreams, but dreams don't keep the lights on."
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Jag
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He wasn't getting a ring even if Cleveland stayed intact.
Maybe they can also create a time machine and trade for MJ in his prime at the same time!
I too doubt that the Warriors are the primary factor here...but they have something to do with him potentially leaving before his contract is more than halfway through.
So they've now played a part in ruining 3 franchises - OKC, LAC (kinda), and Cleveland.
You're forgetting that while being a massive net negative on the defensive end, he's also not that good offensively.
The Bucks have been trying to trade him for 2 years. His value is nonexistent outside of a matching expiring contract
NervousXtian
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SA would require a 3rd team who wants LA so they could get something for the Cavs. Who wants LA with any kind of equal value of Kyrie. Nobody that's who.
Ask yourself, if NO picked up the phone and said AD straight up for Giannas or KAT. I think I trade either of those guys for him.
I think Russ, Harden, Lebron, Leonard or Durant I'm saying nah, we good.
I'd trade Steph for AD as well.. but that'd be a hard fucking sell to GSW fans.. so they'd say no.
SoRuffShoNuff
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2 years and a players option. Whatever team signs him may have to look to trade him in 2019 if it's not a team he wants to be on long term.
What does this have to do with anything? Stupid teams are going to stupid.
Besides Monroe's trade value is due to the fact that the NBA is flooded with Similar players on cheaper deals so teams would rather have 80% of Monroe's production at 50% of the Sallary. That doesn't change the fact that for a team competing for a championship having the better player is more important then having a cheaper player.
This is doubly true when any proposed trade is mutually beneficial to both parties.
-tetsuo-
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Plz stop
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Carmelo + Hernangomez + Frank + 2018 1st
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Kyrie Irving + Iman Shumpert
Who says no?
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Kyrie Irving + Iman Shumpert
Who says no?
Hey
What were the words Donovan said about their tall slow moving center who can't play defense at fucking all? Oh yeah
"We can't play Kanter"
Hint, it's the same fucking thing for Monroe.
Hearing that interior defense doesn't matter makes as much sense as when people say that guard defense straight up does not matter. Shit's dumb.
Syphon Filter
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No. how about kyrie for melo and we have a deal.
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Rofl
Syphon Filter
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I mean, Nets got DLo & Lin. All the Knicks have is Zinger.
Explain this then:
Bucks tried to shop Monroe last year like crazy for pennies on the dollar. No team was interested. His contract is considered nearly unreadable because of how bad it is.
He took his player option because he knew he would get far less money.
If he was so great why does no team want him? Why are bucks so desperate to get rid of him?
Nothing you say matches reality. We live in a world where Bucks pay huge money for a center who isn't good enough to crack a starting rotation that they have been trying to get rid of that no team has been willing to take off their hands.
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Which is worth both x 5.
If you're concerned about legacy/winning championships, you don't leave the Eastern conference when you're its best player. He and the Cavs have an easy path to the Finals for the foreseeable future, with or without Kyrie.
You really wouldn't trade KP straight up for Kyrie? One is a superstar, playoff-proven, NBA champion point guard who isn't even in his prime yet. The other is a guy who has a lot of potential but is whiny, was banged up last season and ran out of gas relatively early into his first season. I like KP's potential, but even then, I don't see him being in Kyrie's class of player unless the stars align for him. And I'm not pretending Kyrie can carry a team, he's still the same ISO scoring, poor defense guard he's always been. But he's a perennial All Star at age 25, and KP might become one someday.
Syphon Filter
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Don't make me laugh.There is a reason lakers got rid of Dlo the bust. Lin is not even that good anymore for whatever he was worth before. Knicks also got hardaway and tanking is the right thing to do anyways.
Peter Ian Staker
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Bucks/Wolves wouldn't trade Giannis/KAT for AD.
They just not that much worse than AD and are younger and less injury prone. Hell they have skills than AD doesn't(Giannis is better playmaker and KAT is a better shooter)
It still doesn't matter though because the Pelicans wouldn't trade for AD unless they know he is about to walk the year before free agency.
There is just isn't a realistic trade to get those players out of there teams at the moment. Especially since other teams can score them in free agency down the line.
Nobody trades a young potential superstar the same way the wouldn't deal an actual one.
People can be stupid and Billy Donovan's coaching makes Billy King look like Einstein. Guard defense matters more then ever before, interior defense not so much. (Provided you give up less then your opponents average 3pt% )
Fun fact Russell Westbrook, Alex Abrines, Enes Kanter, Andre Roberson and Steven Adams as a 5 man unit last season had a 131.6 ORTG that group played 76 minutes together all season.
If you are a Cavs fan it's time to start looking into the 2019 draft and pray the basketball Gods. It's 2011-2014 2.0 time in Cleveland.
Dreams-Visions
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I would see that going down differently if NO offered it 1:1. But we can agree to disagree.
Maybe so. But it's a bit early for all that. We'll see what happens soon enough.
Sweeney Tom
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If LeBron leaves this time, he ain't ever coming back to the Cleve
They played only 76 minutes because you can't play Kanter and Adams together in a meaningful game.
Period.
Kanter and Monroe are USELESS in most playoff matchups. Monroe would get almost zero minutes against the Warriors in a finals matchup.
Its 2017 not 2003.
ryutaro's mama
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Meh/10
Thats untrue. OKC played Kanter + Adams huge minutes together in the 2016 WCFs vs the Spurs. OKCs closing lineup was often Westbrook Waiters Durant Kanter Adams.
Monroe is admittedly less useful vs GSW but you also recieve Delly in that trade and he is useful vs Curry. Aditionally the key pieces you recieve for trading Kevin Love would be useful for playing against the Warriors. So Monroe's ineffectiveness in that potential series isn't a huge deal.
Edit. For instance take this somewhat plausible hypothetical deal
Milwaukee get Kyrie Irving
Pheonix get Kevin Love and Shump
Cleveland get Greg Monroe, Mathew Deledova, Eric Bledsoe, Jared Dudley and TJ Warren
All of a sudden Cleveland has saved 2M this season (plus whatever luxury tax goes along with that) has gotten younger and more athletic, has a serviceable replacement SF for if Lebron does leave, has a killer smallball unit (Bledsoe Smith Warren Lebron Thompson) and a bench unit featuring Delly, Korver, green, Frye and Monroe.
ratcliffja
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He won them their first championship in any major pro team sport in decades. If both he and Kyrie leave, it would be pretty obvious to even Cleveland fans that the problem is ownership.
Why, you have Lowry
There is no way they trade kat even if it's ad. Besides KAT is more valuable imo due to his health compared to AD.
HarryDemeanor
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Of course a flat earther would want to bolt one dysfunctional organization in the Cleve to head to another one in New York. Kyrie must be smoking something good.
Peter Ian Staker
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Porzingis potential is too good to pass up to get a guy that is pretty much a finished product especially if I am a rebuilding team like the Knicks.
Player that can both be good rim protectors and shoot the 3 are just not that easy to find.
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