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LG promises HDR gaming input lag patch for 2016 OLED sets
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boredandlazy
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I actually had a KS9000 all payed for a ready to pick up before I switched to the LG. The lack of 3D on the Samsung as well as having the LEDs at the bottom and all the clouding stories is what made me switch to an OLED.
My E6 isn't perfect though, I do have some small grey uniformity issues that only appear when the OLED light is cranked all the way to 100 (basically when viewing HDR). They're nothing to really worry about though, there's only a small vertical band on the left and a couple of slightly darker patches on the far right edge of the screen. But as I said before they're only slightly noticeable if the content is displaying a single dark colour(ie. deep in the ocean).
I think the Dashboard only displays in HDR when you bring it up whilst running a game in HDR. So start up an HDR game and you should be able to choose it.
CLW
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Ins
Neo Member
Nice. For HDR games I like to turn DC on, and as I remember there wasn't option for that in EG910V so i was a bit worried. I've bought KS7000 (EU) six moths ago, so I definitely can't return it and I'm starting to be jealous too
velociraptor
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So in terms of image quality, the B6 is a superior panel to the KS8000 (UK version - I think that's the KS9000 in US)?
The B6 is superior, yes. That's not to disparage the Samsung. It's a great bang for the buck panel.
Yes. The upside of ks8000 over this TV are price and the input lag. Though, LG was able to close the gap with the latest firmware update. Just 5-6ms difference.
Yes, since 01/04. Check the 55" version of your TV and you'll see the firmware.
Need some advice please. Any reason to wait for the 2017 models? Been dying for OLED for years and the input lag coupled with the fact that it seemed like you need a PHD to get all the settings right for gaming in 4K with HDR had me waiting. Seems most of that has been fixed via updates. Is that true? Recently got a PS4 pro. Also, I use Sonos 5.1 so ideally I'd like the TV to pass 5.1 via optical. Does it? Thanks in advance for the help/advice!
Futurevoid
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I see. Thank you very much for the reply. How bad is the motion handling? My main concern is getting into a similar situation that i am in now. Bought a 65 in Samsung 4K a couple years ago and it has no HDR and all the other LED issues. Got divorced recently and my ex kept the Panasonic plasma so I've been struggling to say the least lol. Just want to make sure the 2016 model is future proof for at least 3-5 years. Any idea about the 5.1 over optical?
TedBundysNips
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Been looking at getting this model http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and...t-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-55-led-tv-10144760-pdt.html Anyone have one?
Hello fellow Partridge!
I'd honestly avoid the LG LCDs, simply because they use IPS panels. IPS has a couple of advantages with a faster response and wider viewing angle, but the black levels and contrast ratio leave a lot to be desired. At that budget, if picture quality is important, you might be better looking at an equivalent Samsung which will use a VA panel:
http://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue...laystation-now-active-crystal-colour/p2693380
Or perhaps you could spend another £100 and get an additional 3" and Panasonic image processing to boot:
http://www.johnlewis.com/panasonic-...-wi-fi-art-of-interior-switch-design/p2577520
I think I'd go for the Panasonic if it were me. But I have a C6 OLED, so...
Silent Hill
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They require alot of tinkering to set up perfectly but they are ok sets. If you decide to buy it and need any help give me a shout
Futurevoid
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Depends on what type of set you're coming. Moving from a plasma that resolves 900 lines of resolution without any type of major processing to the B6 with 300 lines (typical of a sample and hold display) without Trumotion to 600 lines with Trumotion enabled? I detest the soap opera effect introduced with high levels of motion processing and artifacting can be an issue if you try to customize and push it to high.
So yes, it's noticeable and the achilles heel of the OLED displays from LG (we'll see what magic Sony can work with their X1 processor) but then its more noticeable for me because of what I upgraded from.
It's a damn shame LG haven't done any type of black frame insertion on their sets though in this world of higher nits that we're playing in, reducing the light output of the set isn't likely to be appealing to them.Depends on what type of set you're coming. Moving from a plasma that resolves 900 lines of resolution without any type of major processing to the B6 with 300 lines (typical of a sample and hold display) without Trumotion to 600 lines with Trumotion enabled? I detest the soap opera effect introduced with high levels of motion processing and artifacting can be an issue if you try to customize and push it to high.
So yes, it's noticeable and the achilles heel of the OLED displays from LG (we'll see what magic Sony can work with their X1 processor) but then its more noticeable for me because of what I upgraded from.
Hmmmm. I also detest the soap opera effect and have turned 95% of image processing off of my current LED. I'm coming from a V series plasma but I've been using the LED for a while now and motion blur isn't one of my major issues with It. It's moreso the cloudiness and shitty blacks etc. Can you give me an idea of how bad the OLED would perform motion wise (with the soap opera shit off) compared to an OLED with similar settings (processing wise)? I know it's not an exact science just wondering if it's like, bad bad, for lack of a better term.
holygeesus
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Depends on what type of set you're coming. Moving from a plasma that resolves 900 lines of resolution without any type of major processing to the B6 with 300 lines (typical of a sample and hold display) without Trumotion to 600 lines with Trumotion enabled? I detest the soap opera effect introduced with high levels of motion processing and artifacting can be an issue if you try to customize and push it to high.
So yes, it's noticeable and the achilles heel of the OLED displays from LG (we'll see what magic Sony can work with their X1 processor) but then its more noticeable for me because of what I upgraded from.
To counter this, I came from a plasma to the B6 and find the motion absolutely fine. I watch a lot of fast moving sports and of course game, and it's never an issue for me. I think the almost instant pixel response time mitigates the lack of motion resolution. I'm not exactly sure it is something Sony will be able to solve easily either for the reason you mention - gotta have them nits!
As an aside, you can double the motion resolution without encountering SOE - whacking de-blur up to 10 does that without introducing the effect. Just leave de-judder alone. YMMV.
I'd like to know this as well. Got the update (finally) for HDR Game mode last night. So far I just lowered the Backlight to 50 because it seems way too bright by default. Most everything else looks good since they're all turned off.
Futurevoid
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TedBundysNips
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AHA! Thanks for the reply , I've had my eye on the exact same panasonic TV aswell as the LG but still undecided. Aslong as the PS4 Pro looks decent on it im happy.Hello fellow Partridge!
I'd honestly avoid the LG LCDs, simply because they use IPS panels. IPS has a couple of advantages with a faster response and wider viewing angle, but the black levels and contrast ratio leave a lot to be desired. At that budget, if picture quality is important, you might be better looking at an equivalent Samsung which will use a VA panel:
http://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue...laystation-now-active-crystal-colour/p2693380
Or perhaps you could spend another £100 and get an additional 3" and Panasonic image processing to boot:
http://www.johnlewis.com/panasonic-...-wi-fi-art-of-interior-switch-design/p2577520
I think I'd go for the Panasonic if it were me. But I have a C6 OLED, so...
Thanks for the replies all. I think if i see a good enough deal I'll go ahead so i can enjoy it this year and stop playing the waiting game. B6 is the way to go right? Don't care about curve or 3D. Can't afford the top of the line one. Guess nobody knows about 5.1 out via optical?
Futurevoid
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holygeesus
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Yup 5.1 works fine. I actually found ARC a bit problematic so stick with optical.
What about HDMI 2.1? Wouldn't that be a likely update to 2017 if that ends up being a possibility?
holygeesus
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2.1 could still happen on 2016 sets via firmware update.
shadow2810
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I thought you would need to replace the ic chip so it's not possible via fw update?
They set the color to 65 and the color temp to c30. I'm not sure if that's bad or just different. HDR standard goes to 55 color, but even when I set it to 55 there's a noticeable difference. Not sure which is better, I don't have a calibration disc handy.
Futurevoid
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It's not just the color setting alone as much as the color temperature. So matching it to HDR standard won't have an effect in that regard if you have a different color temperature selected for HDR Standard. Color temperature ranges in much smaller increments with the slider that they provide and the default of C30 looks to be much cooler than if you've accustomed yourself to "Warm 2" for example (more blue than yellow). I need to play with it some more to get a more pleasing picture as well but I haven't had the time. I've read w30 or w50 match Warm 2 a bit better. I'll give it a whirl tonight. I'm a Warm 2 guy all the way.
EDIT: I think someone might have asked earlier but dynamic contrast can still be enabled in HDR Game Mode by the by.
What benefits will HDMI 2.1 provide?
Futurevoid
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Higher bandwidth (48Gbs vs 18Gbs) which will include support for 4Kp120, 8Kp100/120, 10Kp100/120, support for variable refresh rates, support for increased color spaces, eARC (possible support for Atmos, etc.) and dynamic HDR Metadata are the big ones.
Rhazer Fusion
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Yeah, that is what I am thinking about in all honesty. I would like to get the new TV by around Super Bowl or a little after since I am sure that people are going to be returning them like crazy and maybe I can procure an open box special. The Best Buy employee stated that they are going to have a big TV sale coming up for LG, Sony and Samsung TV's for the next 3 weeks for Super Bowl, so he recommended waiting for that to see if there are any good deals since each of the big 3 will have weekly sales. I think I will go ahead and take a chance with the OLED for gaming and then movies, but I am wondering if I should settle for something like the Sony X930D(yeah, I heard about the input lag and we already have a Samsung 4K TV in the house) for much less money and get the OLED later when they drop in price more. I am also hearing rumors that the Sony OLED is going to cost anywhere from $2000-$6000. This is getting harder and harder.
Something's wrong with the Canadian sites firmware download and it won't unzip. Tried a few browsers on this PC, then I use my work laptop via it's separate wireless card ISP. Same problem, corrupted ZIP or unexpected end to archive.
Anyone else having this issue?
Edit: Working now. File size is also different. Must have been a server side problem.
Anyone else having this issue?
Edit: Working now. File size is also different. Must have been a server side problem.
JohnDoe8865
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I noticed the c30 right away today on by B655 today after installing the firmware from USB. I changed it to w2 for right now, but I'm a warm picture kinda guy in the first place. c30 was far too blue for my taste. I also noticed that Super Resolution was on either Low or Medium as well by default. I turned that to OFF. Any reason to leave that on? Let everything else alone.
Talking about HDR Game mode obviously.
It's not just the color setting alone as much as the color temperature. So matching it to HDR standard won't have an effect in that regard if you have a different color temperature selected for HDR Standard. Color temperature ranges in much smaller increments with the slider that they provide and the default of C30 looks to be much cooler than if you've accustomed yourself to "Warm 2" for example (more blue than yellow). I need to play with it some more to get a more pleasing picture as well but I haven't had the time. I've read w30 or w50 match Warm 2 a bit better. I'll give it a whirl tonight. I'm a Warm 2 guy all the way.
EDIT: I think someone might have asked earlier but dynamic contrast can still be enabled in HDR Game Mode by the by.
Please post what you end up going with. I'd like to try it out.
FalsettoVibe
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Wow so looks like I will be upgrading in 2019 or 2020. I need my b6 to last at least 2 years.
n0razi
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Im moving my 55 B6 to bedroom and getting a 65 (either E6 or a 2017 model) for living room... I dont think I can look at a normal LCD anymore
Futurevoid
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My settings for HDR Game Mode:
OLED Light: 100
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 51
Sharpness: 10
Color: 60 (Color Gamut set to Normal) If you want more saturation, set the color gamut to wide but I would drop color to 55.
Tint: 0
Color Temperature: W50 (if you want a trade off here, set to W20 with a warmer temp but with enough cool to not go overboard)
All processing or other picture options are off.
W50 was as close as I could come to Warm 2. That gave me a pretty similar picture to the HDR standard user setup. Give it a whirl and let me know what you think.
JohnDoe8865
Member
Thanks for the setup advice. I was tinkering with it earlier and it still looked too "cool" so I'll definitely take it up to W20 and see from there. I forgot to mention that I'd set color gamut to Normal when I turned off Super Resolution. I think color is at 65 by default and sharpness at 20, so I'll try those adjustments as well.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Is the power cable of the B6 detachable? I read somewhere it's fixed to the panel. I have a wall mounted setup where I hide the wires by feeding them through the wall, but if it's fixed, there is no way I can hide the power cable.
No, it's not. But there's some kind of faceplate cover with a screw on it where the power cable is connected. I don't know what's that for.
Color temperature W44 or W43 gave me the best grayscale results with my i1 Display Pro, at least on my set.