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Lightning Returns trailer
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mysteriousmage09
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I don't mind Lightning's outfit, not the greatest but not terrible. However, everything else looked like dog shit. This is a game releasing in 2013? Did Square slash the budget down to 10% of what it took to make FFXIII and XIII-2? God damn.
Aside from the framerate locked at 15 fps and low-res textures, the game looks fine, although the trailer didn't really show much to make judgments on. I'm going to chalk the technical issues up to the fact that the game just started development under 4 months ago, but it's still a little boggling why SE would debut the game in that state. I'll remain cautiously optimistic moving forward. I did rather enjoy XIII and XIII-2, despite their flaws.
I know this was just mentioned, but man. Her white outfit, moving through the city, climbing and jumping around. Total AssCreed vibes. Gosh.
Dark Schala
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She should be attacking from different axes. That's what I was thinking it should have been. Attacking from different axes, hitting different parts of the body to fell the beasts, finding a weak point on them as opposed to just hitting them right in the face. Part of it feels like a "press buttons until it goes down" strategy rather than taking a more intuitive role in combat in terms of evasive action, having a defense be a good offense, etc. It's bugging me a lot.
And those animations. I need to harp on them again. >_<
Koko, you should've known better than to google that... :|
It's not just her voice that I don't like, but I really dislike her model. It rubs me the wrong way. Especially when her mouth moves.
That's a paradigm?
Good lord. I thought this sort of thing would be assigned to a button!
Same deal though. Weren't we going on the assumption that you'd be able to have free control over Lightning's movement? As it is, it's basically XIII/XIII-2 without the menus and attack queue. That sounds even worse in my head.
Wow... that trailer (rubs eyes)
I hope that's not indicative of the final product. If it is, no wonder they've removed the trailer from GT
When I first watched the city, I thought it was meant to look that way, a play on the old Escher Staircase picture. But when I saw Lightening climbing red marked "climbable items", I realized that no, it's just programmed horribly.
Poor Squenix. I wish could get a few people from the western devs they've been scooping up, to help. But I think that's an unlikely option for them.
I hope that's not indicative of the final product. If it is, no wonder they've removed the trailer from GT
When I first watched the city, I thought it was meant to look that way, a play on the old Escher Staircase picture. But when I saw Lightening climbing red marked "climbable items", I realized that no, it's just programmed horribly.
Poor Squenix. I wish could get a few people from the western devs they've been scooping up, to help. But I think that's an unlikely option for them.
TheBaronOfNA
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To be fair, some western studios also seem to think this way.
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Getting used to her weird outfit and her character model looks better than FFXIII-2's at least...The town looks really flat liek everyone has said. I don't think the art is bad per se. It's just that they have fallen very heavily techinically. Just go compare the NPCs in FFXIII and FFXIII-2. They didn't really redraw any new NPCs art wise but everyone had horribly bad and ugly faces.
The combat looks really awkward. It's obvious that they have some new ideas but are forever doomed to reuse the FFXIII battle system and have to dance around it because they don't have the resources to redo the whole thing... The HUD is rather hideous. The combat animations are lazy and are the same ones that they have been using since the first game. I doubt that they will improve much even with more time...
They probably removed it because of the embargo. This trailer was supposed to be unveiled at Jump on Sat, Japan time and should had gone online everywhere around the same time.
Putting it up early removes any other possible surprises for SE since they have nothing much to show.
The combat looks really awkward. It's obvious that they have some new ideas but are forever doomed to reuse the FFXIII battle system and have to dance around it because they don't have the resources to redo the whole thing... The HUD is rather hideous. The combat animations are lazy and are the same ones that they have been using since the first game. I doubt that they will improve much even with more time...
Wow... that trailer (rubs eyes)
I hope that's not indicative of the final product. If it is, no wonder they've removed the trailer from GT
They probably removed it because of the embargo. This trailer was supposed to be unveiled at Jump on Sat, Japan time and should had gone online everywhere around the same time.
Putting it up early removes any other possible surprises for SE since they have nothing much to show.
Basileus777
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My god was the voice work in that trailer terrible, especially that male narrator.
funkystudent
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Looks rough but the game is probably still super early.
I was kind of surprised XIII-2 was released this year until someone made a thread about it.
Is this game out next year?
I was kind of surprised XIII-2 was released this year until someone made a thread about it.
Is this game out next year?
MagiusNecros
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So question. If Jump is a JP event...why was the trailer in English?
It's not so much a paradigm by itself, but I can't really think of a good way to describe how it was presented. Like, one "Paradigm" gave her like 4 or 5 different attack options with no evade option, while another one gave her 4 options and an "Evade" option (like roughly where the square button should be). Maybe it's something that you can customize or something.
I'll rewatch the trailer to make sure.
Edit: Okay, I see. Assuming that this "Divinity" setting is a paradigm so to speak, that one comes with a Guard option. The "Enchanter" and "Cerberus" settings comes with a "Lesser Guard" (???). Another section has Lightning in the Cerberus setting and she has evade there. If the four attack options all correspond to the four face buttons, then Evade/Guard/Lesser Guard would all be mapped to the square button.
But what I find interesting is that the icons kinda "move" like they are matching the button presses. This is extremely trivial, but it seems like some inputs for things like Heavy Attack just require one press while Lightning slashes the enemy for like 5 seconds.
That was the assumption yeah. But unless the trailer is really rough and early, I think most of the dev talk about the game being more actiony was just them not understanding what "actiony" really means to a general gaming audience.
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Adamantoises just can't tale a break lol...
metalslimer
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Which means they actually think that trailer is in a releasable shape and aren't embarrassed at all.
Because they were to release it the same time as the Japanese one.
mysteriousmage09
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They should keep it down. They must have been hoping for the end of the world to happen before they put this up.
Or they are sick bastards and intended this to be the last video game related media we ever saw.
Hmmm. I wonder.
toastyToast
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I dunno man, it's pretty fucking stupid. It gets worse the more you try to rationalize it.
If you're referring to Serah and Noel in XIII-2 those were pretty fucking stupid too. XIIIs casts clothing didn't look all that bad
This is easily the worst design this universe has shitted out
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Cheers.
Her designs were more cohesive in XIII/XIII-2 imo.
She looks over designed in LR.
I wonder what Toriyama requested lightning to look like this time.
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They're probably doing what they did with FFXIII-2; releasing media in all regions around the same time.
Could you be more hyperbolic?
I'm shocked they didn't work out the framerate issues before releasing a trailer. I guess they're in a hurry to start the media cycle and get it out quickly.
Wasn't expecting much but it was still kind of disappointing. I hate how incoherent the three entries feel...it's like they didn't care about creating a consistent world/art style at all. And the battle system isn't as different as I thought it would be. And Lightning's outfit is dumb.
Welp...I'm still going to get it and try my darnedest to give it a fair shot.
At least the end is finally in sight.
Wasn't expecting much but it was still kind of disappointing. I hate how incoherent the three entries feel...it's like they didn't care about creating a consistent world/art style at all. And the battle system isn't as different as I thought it would be. And Lightning's outfit is dumb.
Welp...I'm still going to get it and try my darnedest to give it a fair shot.
At least the end is finally in sight.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Type 0>Lightning Returns
By far.
By far.
toastyToast
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Yes
Great, would you lend me your copy of LR? I'm dying to play it.
exmachina64
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I'm actually surprised about how accurate the LBP model was.
Oh, God...I gave up early in XIII-2. I thought all that stuff about her being the Chocobo Chick were jokes. The only way this could get creepier is if they make a sex minigame about her.
Oh, God...I gave up early in XIII-2. I thought all that stuff about her being the Chocobo Chick were jokes. The only way this could get creepier is if they make a sex minigame about her.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
You can't have it.
It's all mine. GILGAMESH is in it.
I will treasure it forever.
Goddess Lightning and GILGAMESH KING OF HEROES JOIN FORCES!
WOOO!!
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I'm after you then.
Eh, i think her weapon looks horrendous in all three designs, but her clothes, the first one looks more like a normal outfit, although it's full of bullshit details as seen in many Japanese chara designs (5 gloves, 300 puches and belts etc) the second and third one look more like (ultra) stylized combat vests/armors, the third one being more on the futuristic side (which in turn make her look more dynamic and agile) it has even a bit of a The Cell horror vibe, with that black leather.
I can totally understand not liking it as it's pretty dumbass, but it seems to me like on par with the other two.
Having not played the games, maybe in the context of the game it doesn't make any sense, though.
I see the opposite. Her XIII outfit looks the most agile, while every outfit after it looks clunkier than the last, with LR's enormous shield taking the cake.
Can you be serious at all? I'm starting to doubt.
Oh, and you can have your "copy", just try not to lose it like you seem to have lost your sense of humor.
The more I look at this battle system (and when remembering the dev comments about how they wanted each face button to do something in combat or something to that effect), the more it really does seem like they just localized the ATB bar to different face buttons. I admit that the game still has a ways to go (hopefully), but that's just how it looks to me right now.
I would have to wonder if they implemented any means to have Lightning cancel out of her moves like you can in other more action oriented titles (which is very different from just stopping the queue like in XIII/XIII-2). If you cannot, then this will essentially end up being Requiem of the Goddess: The Game if the trailer is representative.
I would have to wonder if they implemented any means to have Lightning cancel out of her moves like you can in other more action oriented titles (which is very different from just stopping the queue like in XIII/XIII-2). If you cannot, then this will essentially end up being Requiem of the Goddess: The Game if the trailer is representative.
Psychological Intellect
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I feel about as bored watching this trailer as Ali Hillis must have felt recording Lightning's nonplussed monotone dialogue.
When XIII-2 proved to be a sham that forsake all of the things that actually worked in FFXIII and strung audiences along with over $60 in DLC until the ending that never was, I could at least react with outrage.
With this the only reaction I have is apathy.
When XIII-2 proved to be a sham that forsake all of the things that actually worked in FFXIII and strung audiences along with over $60 in DLC until the ending that never was, I could at least react with outrage.
With this the only reaction I have is apathy.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I'd rather remain optimistic for this game thank you very much.
jimmypython
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the battle systems looks a lot like the one in the FF13 concept trailer......graphics are rough tho...
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