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[Grayman]

sounds too good to be true. my bullshit sensor tripped.

 

[Jive Turkey]

The original overdelivered IMO on the fronts we're talking about here. Virtually every 'can I do this?' question people had about the game prior to release came back with an answer of 'yes' in the final game. For a long time prior to release we didn't even know enemies would be possible, for example - we debated months on that :lol In terms of creative opportunities and toolset, the final game absolutely OVER delivered if anything on expectations.

In terms of toolset yes they did an outstanding job. And visuals and audio...It's just the controls and platforming sucked. MM delivered on every point except the two that counted the most.

Now I'm encouraged by the ability to customize the controls but until I actually have a chance to play with it myself I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic.

 

[TTP]

OMFGOMFG!!!

SDICBILWBEIGEUOWVULVWEK!

I am having a brain meltdown trying to think of what can be done with this game!!

It Only Does Everything.

 

[wizword]

Posted this in the other thread.
Question directed to donkey show

It is stated I think in the game informer article
"- Example was given about the 8/16-bit remakes/tributes having to use the signature gameplay mechanics of LBP. That is no longer true in LBP2. A creator can place a direct control seat on their own platforming protagonist and complete it with a customized control scheme.
"
This does sound way too good to be true though.

 

[Thunderbear]

Reading all this, it sounds all too good. It's hard to take in. Can't wait till I see the first proper reveal (E3 I guess?).

Wow...

 

[Danielsan]

Again, someone should question them about the netcode.
LBP is virtually unplayable with 4 people online due to all the lag.

 

[mr_nothin]

It is stated I think in the game informer article
"- Example was given about the 8/16-bit remakes/tributes having to use the signature gameplay mechanics of LBP. That is no longer true in LBP2. A creator can place a direct control seat on their own platforming protagonist and complete it with a customized control scheme.
"

That probably just for creators though. I dont think you can just customize the way you want to jump if you're just playing someone's (or MM's) levels.

 

[TTP]

It is stated I think in the game informer article
"- Example was given about the 8/16-bit remakes/tributes having to use the signature gameplay mechanics of LBP. That is no longer true in LBP2. A creator can place a direct control seat on their own platforming protagonist and complete it with a customized control scheme.
"

Yeah, but I was referring to the very Sackboy character, not a "platforming protagonist" you have created.

 

[mr_nothin]

Yeah, but I was referring to the very Sackboy character, not a "platforming protagonist" you have created.

I thought Sackboy was the "platforming protragonist".

 

[TTP]

Again, someone should question them about the netcode.
LBP is virtually unplayable with 4 people online due to all the lag.

I answered this in the other thread.

OH, for what is worth, I have been told Mm is coding the whole online netcode internally this time (rather than having Sony monkeys do it). It's good news.

 

[Glass Soldier]

Now don't get me wrong but this news makes me so happy that Mm was bought by Sony instead of Nintendo.

 

[gofreak]

In terms of toolset yes they did an outstanding job. And visuals and audio...It's just the controls and platforming sucked. MM delivered on every point except the two that counted the most.

I don't agree those things sucked, but that's more a matter of individual opinion, so we'll agree to disagree on that On toolset though...I do think they overdelivered. And creative tools are the focus of this preview seemingly, so I would be confident that WYSIWYG (and then some, in all likelihood) on these fronts.

(I'll make two corrections to my post though - there were two tools that MM originally mooted that never made it, audio import, and image import. But on everything else, it went beyond my imagination. The breadth of logic tools, switch types etc. in particular, I'd no idea how much they packed in there and the versatility of it til the game hit, and I was very well tuned in indeed. It was a big eye opener.)

 

[TTP]

I thought Sackboy was the "platforming protragonist".

I don't think so. He said "their own platforming protagonis", meaning the one they (creators) have created.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Sounds pretty fucking incredible.

 

[Baki]

If DLC is transferrable than does that mean creation tools such as paintinator + water won't be standard?

 

[gofreak]

That probably just for creators though. I dont think you can just customize the way you want to jump if you're just playing someone's (or MM's) levels.

Makes no sense otherwise.

I think it's clear you as a creator use 'direct seat' to make a controllable character for your players to control while playing your level.

 

[demosthenes]

Again, someone should question them about the netcode.
LBP is virtually unplayable with 4 people online due to all the lag.

1) No, I played w/ 4 people about a week ago and the only laggyness I saw was @ the start of the level.

1 was me in Buffalo, NY
2 were in NYC
1 was random.

2) MM is writing the netcode this time, not Sony.

 

[Barrett2]

How can something be confirmed if it has been known for months?

Anyways, game sounds freaking awesome.

 

[alr1ght]

god damn

 

[jman2050]

Don't botch the execution this time MM and we may have something really good here.

 

[demosthenes]

If DLC is transferrable than does that mean creation tools such as paintinator + water won't be standard?

I would think they would be. Probably means all the costumes / stickers.

 

[TTP]

Makes no sense otherwise.

I think it's clear you as a creator use 'direct seat' to make a controllable character for your players to control while playing your level.

Yep, and since you can modify Sackboy size this time, you can make him tiny, have him sit into into a Gundam the default size of a Sackboy and then BE TEH GUNDAM.

 

[Donos]

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. The article goes into a bit of detail regarding the famous calculator level from the first LBP that Upsilandre created. He had tons and tons of wires and switches in the background working to make that happen. Media Molecule didn't want players to have to take up all that space just to make that happen. So in LBP2 you can create microchips that handle all of that logic stuff. You can condense all of it and the commands and function onto one chip and have it take up drastically less space in the level.

Additionally you can use the microchips to program enemies and such as well. You can control their properties, weak points, animations, whatever. They can all also be condensed onto a microchip.

Oh shit , SKYNET !

 

[expy]

Wow, sounds brilliant.

 

[Interfectum]

ok LBP2 sounds fucking awesome

 

[Kai Dracon]

One thing the game desperately needs for platform creation is the ability to globally define if a level has 1, 2, or 3 planes right from the beginning.

Also, I desperately hope they find a way to fix the glue-binding logic which results in chaotic destruction of seemingly unaffected elements during construction. I only ever finished one stage ( "Sometimes the Dragon Eats You") before giving up, though I did try to polish that one as best I could for posterity.

 

[Brazil]

Ok, as much as the first game sucked, this one seems promising. I want to see this new Create mode in action.

 

[donkey show]

Yeah, but I was referring to the very Sackboy character, not a "platforming protagonist" you have created.

I think I answered it in the other thread...

So what I said about Mm having to basically hold back stuff from LBP1 because they had to use it for LBP2 was pretty much what was going on?

Haha, pretty much. They've been working on the sequel for a long time now, outside of all the "updates" they gave to the public.

The core gameplay is still pretty intact from what I remember, so don't expect any significant changes there.

As for the 3 layer thing in creation, I believe that still applies unless they've modified it recently.

I'll let you guys know more when I can. Excititng times, eh?

And like I said earlier in that thread as well, the Organic and Fluffy Space Bunny themes are very, very beautiful. The art team really outdid themselves.

 

[mr_nothin]

I don't think so. He said "their own platforming protagonis", meaning the one they (creators) have created.

Ok, well I think we mean the same thing but there's just a disconnect. Basically when they say "their own platforming protagonist" they mean the custom parameters that creators give to Sackboy in user-created levels. It's still Sackboy but it's a customized Sackboy...in which case, it's not REALLY Sackboy

But when you say "Sackboy" you mean in the sense like you're playing the story-mode of the game. You're playing as what Mm defines as Sackboy. Correct?

 

[TTP]

I think I answered it in the other thread...



And like I said earlier in that thread as well, the Organic and Fluffy Space Bunny themes are very, very beautiful. The art team really outdid themselves.

Oh so no tweaks at all to the jumping mechanics? Sounds odd after all the complains.

 

[TTP]

Ok, well I think we mean the same thing but there's just a disconnect. Basically when they say "their own platforming protagonist" they mean the custom parameters that creators give to Sackboy in user-created levels. It's still Sackboy but it's a customized Sackboy...in which case, it's not REALLY Sackboy

But when you say "Sackboy" you mean in the sense like you're playing the story-mode of the game. You're playing as what Mm defines as Sackboy. Correct?

Yes.

 

[gofreak]

Crisis - are all the screenshots of 'platform-y' levels? None of other types, or or experiments MM did?

I have to think the first batch of levels being platform-y is rather deliberate...but that over time, you'll see the 'campaign' mutate into something more mixed, cross-genre. The first game's single player was an attempt to express and show off the underlying tools, so the second's should do the same, and should flex the diversity that's possible with the tools.

 

[Victarion]

Holy Shit! Awesome! So many features...

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Oh so no tweaks at all to the jumping mechanics? Sounds odd after all the complains.

Yeah, but you can mod them when you make a new level, right?

 

[JustAnotherOtaku]

Wow, sounds like it will be a proper sequel and not just a load of new things that could have been DLC for the first game. Very interested!

 

[TTP]

Yeah, but you can mod them when you make a new level, right?

Yeah, but you have to create a new character altogether for the standard Sackboy to sit into/onto if I got it right.

Think of Yoshi/Mario interaction.

- Mario is the Sackboy (defaul properties/controls).
- Yoshi is the character you created (custom properties/controls).

When Mario rides Yoshi, there is when you are using the custom properties/controls.

Jump off the "Yoshi", and you are back to controlling Sackboy old style.

Did I get this right?

 

[gofreak]

Hmmm....I wonder with the 3 layers...if you make your sackbot and AIs to adopt 'top-down' behaviour....could you kind of use the 3 layers as a way of going down 'underground' and then up overground again etc.?

Like, say...a RPG where you could go down into caves from the top level, then back out into the 'top level' overworld etc. You could treat the levels as going 'down', not 'in'.

That could be so good.

But I wonder about the scope for - say - a rpg type mechanic. I wonder, for example, what kind of properties you can give your sackbot protagonist. Health seems obvious, but what about an inventory for example? Although I suppose your pop-it is basically a glorified inventory...

edit - thinking about it, for the layers idea, you'd need a way of 'hiding' layers except the active one to make this work, perhaps...so if say you move down to a lower level, the layer above disappears, and you just see the next layer down. Current LBP doesn't really allow for that. Although you could do something more rudimentary without that, I guess, have selective use of depth where it's not so crucial that layers on top are still visible.

 

[GeoramA]

Cant wait LBP1 feel like a beta next to this

Pretty much. Glad we won't be restricted to just floaty platformers anymore.

 

[mr_nothin]

It seems like there is going to be the same ole "it has enemies! look at this screenshot! look at those customizations. that leads me to believe there will be enemies" vs "there wont be enemies in the game because they've given us no reason to believe there will be. we're just going to have to face different obstacles" debate.

 

[Apath]

I really hope they fixed the Z axis movement or removed it entirely. That and I hope they made the jumping physics much more like LBP PSP.

Sounds great otherwise

 

[Danielsan]

I answered this in the other thread.

Good. I'm now allowing myself to get hyped!

 

[Pooya]

I wanted to get the first one recently, good thing I didn't, it's coming this year? didn't see anything in the OP about release date.

 

[gofreak]

It'll be very interesting to see the relationship between logic and sackbot properties.

Can I make a microchip that - say - calculates or increments my sackbot's 'level' based on whatever events/incidents. That then triggers new properties or capabilities in my sackbot as my level counter increments?

The possible permutations of that new system if I'm thinking about it right could have epic consequences.

 

[jiggles]

:O

This all sounds awesome. Exactly the game the first should've been. No more building logic gates and dicking around with complicated machinery for non-platformer games. And awesome to see Sackbook make a return as LBP.me

BUT...

I fear they're going to be fixing one problem while creating another in places. Anyone who wants to "fix" the controls for Sackboy has to do so by making a new controllable character from scratch and assigning the controls to him. Which is just like how you do logic in it now. It seems a little contradictory to remove this kind of hassle for commonly used mechanics while introducing it for another aspect of the game.

Also, what the fuck could Sony possibly have at E3 that eclipses both a new God of War and a new LittleBigPlanet?!

 

[Majine]

I wanted to get the first one recently, good thing I didn't, it's coming this year? didn't see anything in the OP about release date.

Apparently they have been working on this for awhile, so...

My bet is holiday.

 

[donkey show]

Yep, and since you can modify Sackboy size this time, you can make him tiny, have him sit into into a Gundam the default size of a Sackboy and then BE TEH GUNDAM.

I'VE ALREADY DONE THAT!!!

:lol :lol :lol

Seriously though, direct control is perfect for creators like myself who need shit like this for their mechanisms.

I answered this in the other thread.

To confirm that even more, Mm's been hiring a network programmers over the past 6 months. In fact, they're still hiring... if anyone's interested.

 

[Alastor]

RPG's with Sackboys and Sackgirls? Count me in! I haven't played the first one in ages (only SP for me) but it has the magic, feeling of something special and unique. Hope this remains in the sequel.

Also, what Sony will show at E3...

Spoiler

The Last Guardian info & gameplay blowout will do for me

 

[Schwowsers]

I just hope they don't include trophies for publishing levels or allow you to earn trophies in user created levels. I don't want a repeat of LBP with all the idiotic trophy levels. That, paired with the horrible level list interface made finding levels a chore.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Sounds like what LBP should have been.

 

[TTP]

Can I make a microchip that - say - calculates or increments my sackbot's 'level' based on whatever events/incidents.

This you can already do in LBP. Not with microchips of course, but you can have logic keeping track of some events.

]That then triggers new properties or capabilities in my sackbot as my level counter increments?

This you can't do now, but I assume in LBP2 you can trigger that stuff on the custom made character (like activating a laser cannon on a Gundam once you have collected X amount of whatever).