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LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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dorkimoe
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JGS said:
Awesome. The reason this works, is because in one of the recent interviews they said when someone says "jacob talked to me" you dont actually know if its true or not. But when you SEE jacob talk to someone, you know its true. So one can assume Christian wasnt smokey unless you somehow SEE it. Neat
BenjaminBirdie
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StoOgE said:
Ah okay.
As far as Christian on the freighter, Jin's survival proves that it was still in the "scope" of the island. Kind of makes his line to Michael even creepier. Like "I'm done with you. PAYCE."
BenjaminBirdie
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kinoki said:
I don't think it was clear what direction it was headed in but they watch the island in the window so it seems clear that they flew over it.
Dead said:
Yeah, but that was 3 years after we saw the ash line unbroken in S2.
It's possible that the ash was broken and maybe Ben didn't know it.. because it's clear it was MIB that was in there giving him bad advice.
It also doesn't make sense that Jacob never "spoke" to Ben since it wasn't actually Jacob in the first place that was running Ben. Why woulnd't have smokey communicated with Ben to tell him to go kill Jacob years earlier?
You don't have to assume it. You just have to not take Smokey at his word.dorkimoe said:Ill just assume it wasnt the smoke monster. Im gonna assume the producers technically only said the smoke monster showed up as Christian in the first couple seasons. Im gonna assume it was the actual "shephard"
We already know what Smokey can/can't do
- He can't traverse water
- He can't leave the Island
- He can't transform into living people
- He can read minds of the living and dead
Put all of that together and the on Island manifestations could be assumed to be Smokey (Except the Vincent one which is just stupid if it's Smokey), the off Island ones were Christian's ghost since he obviously had issues he couldn't let go of with his son and alcoholism.
Dead said:
Smokey couldn't cross water or whatever to get to the other island without a boat. Doubt he could have made it to the freighter.
and Jack never had the gift of seeing ghosts like Hurley did. Doubt it was a ghost.
Just chalk it up to a plot whole.
Nevermind, I see we have some top notch revisionism explaining these away in this thread already :lol
BenjaminBirdie
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ckohler said:
*tear*
Mifune said:
Raist said:
The end credits right after Jack closes his eye shows the original 815 place crash on the beach.
My thought is that the Jack closing his eye is Jack from 2004 not Jack who just got stabbed. (or, spiritually that's when everything lines up. I can't really explain it)
KevinCow said:
I don't get this. Why show it if it's not important or part of anything? They've never done that.
Dead said:
Yeah. I think it was Jacob's cabin at one point, then he decided to move to the foot for one reason or another. He didn't tell everyone though, so people kept believing it as his cabin even when MIB managed to get through the ash and started pretending to be Jacob.
You can clearly see people have made tents/places to eat around the wreckage. It's to show that this was the place the oceanic flight 815 crashed, and since the wreckage hadn't been removed, it's still there. That simple.
BenjaminBirdie
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D4Danger said:
I think the Black Rock explanation works quite well.
Anyway, regardless of what the credits meant, Christian's dialogue directly refutes any hypothesis that Jack died in the plane crash. It's literally impossible for people in that church to have died before and after him if he died in the crash.
BenjaminBirdie
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big ander said:
I liked when the Bad Robot came up, all quiet.
*sniff*
StoOgE said:
How could they not afford the set anymore? It was a plane bought for the show, that got torn apart and placed on the beach*.
They had to schlep them back and forth for every episode in S1. The characters even talked about removing the wreckage/moving away from it.
The crew must've forced the writers to get rid of all that wreckage :lol .
*S1 behind the scenes stuff
Gamecocks625
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ckohler said:
That's pretty crazy to think about
Btw, I heard a Podcast with an interview of the Person in charge of the Lost Encyclopedia coming out later this year.
Its probably going to clear up a lot of stuff, as well as answer some things that were never answered according to the author. Seems like it will be pretty damn thorough from how it sounded
Its probably going to clear up a lot of stuff, as well as answer some things that were never answered according to the author. Seems like it will be pretty damn thorough from how it sounded
BenjaminBirdie
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gdt5016 said:
I remember hearing that too. They probably couldn't afford to store it.
Lion Heart
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I think this show deserved a hell of a lot more than 13 million viewers for the series finale. Didn't Friends do like 50 mil? Fuck off.
PetriP-TNT
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I guess this has been posted here like a million times but still
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eomWspUS8B0
LOST: Ultimate List of Unanswered Questions :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eomWspUS8B0
LOST: Ultimate List of Unanswered Questions :lol
BenjaminBirdie
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oatmeal said:
"This doesn't look like any phone I've ever seen!"
I think after three years all that huge wreckage and trash would still be there on the beach. There weren't any bodies in the picture and there appeared to be some items piled up (clothing, etc.) so again, I'm just saying it's the last relics of this group's arrival.
Aside from Hurley and Ben, there are no other living people on the Island. Just their remains. The plane wreckage in the credits is shown as the latest artifact the island has collected throughout its history.
Aside from Hurley and Ben, there are no other living people on the Island. Just their remains. The plane wreckage in the credits is shown as the latest artifact the island has collected throughout its history.
BenjaminBirdie said:
maybe they all died in the crash. He says something like "they need you as much as you need them"
The only person in that room who wasn't on the original flight was Juliet. If she wasn't there it would explain why Ben, Richard and everyone else isn't in the room either. Because they never existed.
edit: I'm probably talking shit. I didn't understand it.
Imagine all the questions we would have if we were watching the show and this was our black rock. "Why were there so many guns? Was it flown from the future? How did it separate so much???"oatmeal said:
OT: Solo, do you only have to use that avatar until the finals are over, regardless of who wins? Either way, you should be rooting Blackhawks
Nameless
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The Cabin:
-Not only do merely see a segment of the ash as Ben & Locke approach the Cabin, but it's night. How we not know it hasn't been broken somewhere else?
-Ben warns Locke not to break the ash but as far as he knows he's taking Locke to an empty cabin. This means the ash was in place to keep smokey out, not in.
-Bram & Illana reaffirm this by their reaction to the ash being broken aswell. They approach cautiously and eventually burn it after concluding that "someone else" had been using it.
Nothing about it is inconsistent.
-Not only do merely see a segment of the ash as Ben & Locke approach the Cabin, but it's night. How we not know it hasn't been broken somewhere else?
-Ben warns Locke not to break the ash but as far as he knows he's taking Locke to an empty cabin. This means the ash was in place to keep smokey out, not in.
-Bram & Illana reaffirm this by their reaction to the ash being broken aswell. They approach cautiously and eventually burn it after concluding that "someone else" had been using it.
Nothing about it is inconsistent.
BenjaminBirdie
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Lion Heart said:
Eh. TV's so different now. Cable, Hulu, DVR, etc.
D4Danger said:
A) If they all died in the first crash, there'd be no one in the room because they never got to know each other.
B) Christian specifically says what happened.
C) Hell, we see Jack die at the end of the episode. Why show that and then reveal he was dead in the first episode?
That ending picture was just a picture of the crash, just a cool little snippet at the end.
BenjaminBirdie
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D4Danger said:
How could anyone die before him then? If they all died in the plane crash, they all died at the same time.
For some reason I'm thinking that the very last scene would actually have been part of a different ending, and maybe the original one.
To me it still doesn't make sense that when they went back ot the island, some got warped to 1977 (Jack and co) while other (Lapidus, Sun, Ben) stayed in supposedly present time. Even within the lore of the show, it doesn't make sense.
So instead of warping back to present time after the incident, they should have warped back to a few days/hours/whatever before the oceanic crash.
Thus the last scene would be Jack witnessing the 815 crash, knowing that they were actually supposed to crash and don't change things (whatever happened, happened), and that after all the only moment of their lives where they weren't alone and miserable was living important things together on the island. Of course that's a much less happy ending, but it kind of makes more sense.
To me it still doesn't make sense that when they went back ot the island, some got warped to 1977 (Jack and co) while other (Lapidus, Sun, Ben) stayed in supposedly present time. Even within the lore of the show, it doesn't make sense.
So instead of warping back to present time after the incident, they should have warped back to a few days/hours/whatever before the oceanic crash.
Thus the last scene would be Jack witnessing the 815 crash, knowing that they were actually supposed to crash and don't change things (whatever happened, happened), and that after all the only moment of their lives where they weren't alone and miserable was living important things together on the island. Of course that's a much less happy ending, but it kind of makes more sense.
BenjaminBirdie
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D4Danger said:
But the plane crash didn't blow him into blue jeans and a t-shirt.
;D
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