Your kidding right?
Stop being outraged, take a breath and think. Please. Your judgment, if it means anything, can wait for more information. Or you can stamp your feet and yell. Whichever makes you feel better.
Your kidding right?
The JFK AirTrain has these glass barriers. They look fine to me.
Good thing that photographer got that picture rather than trying to help the guy. I just saw a new bit about this, and the photographer got several photos, some with the train much further away.
Stop being outraged, take a breath and think. Please. Your judgment, if it means anything, can wait for more information. Or you can stamp your feet and yell. Whichever makes you feel better.
Is that paper real???
i have photographic evidence that the photographer is a piece of shit. I dont need anymore.
Um not even europe has those. I've traveled in the paris, madrid, london, berlin metros. All do not have safety barriers (I remember seeing some in paris but not at all.)
I am in favor of them though. I'm horrified of something like this happening.
If he didn't just stand there and take fucking pictures, then you might have had a point.I think it's unfair to try and judge whether or not he could have helped the guy without being in his exact position. The speed of his train, the shock, etc means you can't say for certainty what you would do in his position.
Using the photos is scummy, but attacking the guy for not lending him a hand when you weren't there is scummy too.
If he didn't just stand there and take fucking pictures, then you might have had a point.
In the photo, you can clearly see that no one else is around, let alone the murderer. Reports also state the train was slowing down but he got pinned between it and the platform. I highly doubt it would have pulled anyone with him if it was slowing.I wouldn't help the guy either if I thought there was a chance he could pull me in with him or that crazy guy who pushed him in the first place is still around.
I wouldn't help the guy either if I thought there was a chance he could pull me in with him or that crazy guy who pushed him in the first place is still around.
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Directly from the article. The driver DID see it and tried to stop. It DID help try to save the man. I don't know why you want to blame this guy so much.
Give me that photographer with his flash if I'm on the train tracks instead of you. He clearly has more brains.
Part of the reason this happened is because the guy that did it is crazy. The guy that pushed him would have been in a mental institution in the past. Terrible thing to happen.
IIRC, she was still "missing" at the time, so they also gave false hope to the family (and the police) when someone noticed the messages had been accessed.FYI, They hacked a death school girl's cellular phone just to listen in of left messages in the UK. Scum.
As someone pointed out before, the correct response is to run away from the train while waving your arms to try to get the operator to stop and put as much distance between you and the hopefully-braking train as possible. There is a ladder at the end of the platform to use to get out.I don't think anyone could have safely saved him. A kid maybe, but a full sized man is more likely to pull YOU off too in his panic. Think about it. The best place to put your feet is right on the edge. That keeps the pull angle straight down to your feet. Most people would stand back a bit from the edge due to fear of themselves going in too. What's going to happen when someone with a death grip and panic pulls you at 30+degee angle? You're toast. Unless everyone is calm or you have 2 people working together, it's just going to get you killed. There should be some kind of emergency rope attachet to a wall or pillar to help someone out.
Good post.Come on guys, even in that earlier photo the victim didn't have much time to get out of there, and he was drunk. Those trains are damn fast. The photographer really isn't to blame here, although it was pretty scummy of him to get these photos published.
Safety measures for these kind of incidents should really be implemented. It's mindblowing that this isn't a standard yet.
Already pointed out in the thread, but these are too risky and not worth the investment. Better go all the way than do a halfass'd job like that.You would think there would be safety barriers in more of the high risk areas. They don't have to be the full height walls, but half like below.
As someone pointed out before, the correct response is to run away from the train while waving your arms to try to get the operator to stop and put as much distance between you and the hopefully-braking train as possible. There is a ladder at the end of the platform to use to get out.
This is information that should be common knowledge (as in plastered all over the walls with posters and such). It's hugely unfortunate that it ended up like this.
He got pretty close to the edge just to take the pics so...
Were the no one else there to help warn the driver or help the person out.
This women in this video fell on the tracks drunk while a train was coming and the people were able to flag the driver down to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV4uQDEW0jI
Admittedly I didn't really inspect the photos...
How much time was there potentially help this guy out?
90 seconds is more than enough time to run to the end of the track and use the ladder. I'm sure panic played a role and possible intoxication or being stunned from falling onto the track in the first place. Pusher is a coward.A police source said he was down there for at least 90 seconds.
It's almost 2013, you'd think we'd have some cheap sensors or some shit.
Serious question, Ive never ridden a subway besides the BART a few times. Is there a tutorial with pictures of what one could do to survive?, other than jumping out of course. Ive seen some people here mentioning ducking or stepping to the side etc.
edit: I meant high speed transportation
Were the no one else there to help warn the driver or help the person out.
This women in this video fell on the tracks drunk while a train was coming and the people were able to flag the driver down to stop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV4uQDEW0jI
Gantz. Thats all I have to say
Admittedly I didn't really inspect the photos...
How much time was there potentially help this guy out?
It's weird how the NYC train couldn't be stopped with the guy falling a good distance away from the tunnel entrance and the train still 60-90 seconds away, yet the Boston train was stopped within only 20 seconds of the woman falling right at the tunnel entrance.
Do Boston trains have better brakes and brighter headlights?
Edit: Another instance of a subway train being stopped with a much shorter reaction time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t18HRNrQTs