Checkpoint isn't going to make kaizo blocks more enjoyable. Not going to make troll levels more enjoyable. Not going to make most of the difficult levels I've seen in Mario Maker more enjoyable. It will make them more tolerable. A well designed level don't NEED checkpoints. Anyways, obviously I welcome this new feature, but I really wish makers will focus on better designed levels. GAF is the rare exceptions mostly, and I think checkpoints will help a lot of levels from GAF of course.
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Mario Maker Update Next Week to Include Checkpoints and Event Courses
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Chezzymann
Member
No, checkpoints allow longer and more in depth levels without frustration. Even a moderate level can become frustrating if its long since if you just die once you have to do everything all over again. Checkpoints fix that. Thry basically increase the 'threshold' of how long a level can be without being frustrating.
BrawlPurist
Member
Now if we could just get slopes, I would never have to play another Mario game again...
This is absolutely a long-overdue addition, but at least it shows they're listening to feedback. Can't wait!
This is absolutely a long-overdue addition, but at least it shows they're listening to feedback. Can't wait!
If I'm designing a level where I want to slowly introduce a player to a concept and ramp up the difficulty as the level goes on, making the player repeat the really easy parts that they know they can already do is just tedious for them. It's an anti-frustration device that stops people from skipping well designed levels because they don't feel like repeating everything.
Those shitty impossible stages will always be shitty and impossible so it's best to just skip them anyway.
Imported friends list and tags too, please.
Empyrean Heaven
Member
Hopefully Nintendo will also put in the ability to update uploaded stages without losing stars/plays, but I doubt it.
Edit: I'd also accept infinite up/down elevators (like the ones close to the end of SMB 1-2)
Conrad Link
Member
Yes!!! 
That is fantastic!
Now please add 3 Giant Gold Coins to collect too so we can keep making awesome secret areas that actually have a reward in them other than a 1-Up please!
That is fantastic!Now please add 3 Giant Gold Coins to collect too so we can keep making awesome secret areas that actually have a reward in them other than a 1-Up please!
Sir Alemeth
Member
Awesome!!!! My levels need checkpoints!!
devious.one
Member
Good stuff, good stuff.
Which is why this really isn't as impactful as it should be. We are already relying on the community to make sensible levels. That's not working out as well as it should. Now we'll have to rely on these same people to not only use checkpoints but to use them sensibly? A proper sorting system could solve a lot of the issues checkpoints are meant to alleviate as well as a lot of the other poor design issues Nintendo officially thinks exist within a lot of user created stages.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/nintendo_news/sp/151014/supermariomaker/index.html
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SmoothRunningGun
Member
Lack of checkpoints was why I didn't buy. No reason not to now.
And frog, hammer, tanooki suits.
Beer Monkey
Member
GOTY.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Well glad to see they are at least supporting it, was wondering when they would add any sort of updates to it.
Alex Stroud
Banned
CHECKPOINTS YUSSSSSS
Team Filler
Member
No Man's Sky release date announced and now this. God is real.
To be fair, there were checkpoints in Super Mario Bros.
I wonder if this is where the Arino costumes enter.... they said you would need to beat his levels to unlock it
The only game in SMM that never had Check Points was SMB3, the originam SMB just had them be invisible, you had no visual cue for them, you could just die and respawn mid way thru the level.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
This is huge. Checkpoints and adaptive power-ups are essential for an authentic Mario level.
dickroach
Member
holy crap you're right :\
guess I just forgot about them, because when you actually get to the stages where you will die you end up at some hard point in the level where you don't know where the hidden power ups are and just keep dying and dying and dying
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Oh wow. Nice. Checkpoints and a mushroom or flower depending on your state are two things I felt were strange omissions.
Can you only have one checkpoint or as many as you want though?
I wonder what else it'll get in time. There's so much more they can add.
Can you only have one checkpoint or as many as you want though?
I wonder what else it'll get in time. There's so much more they can add.
TriangularDuck
Member
This essentially exists, the "easy" filter is flooded with music and auto levels. Search for "medium" or "hard" levels and you'll only get the occasional music level that makes it hard to actually get to the exit.
Then you have the other problem of getting seas of mediocre to bad levels that have a lot of stars because they're made by some asshole with a YouTube channel, but it's better than nothing.
DoktorEvil
Banned
Beautiful!
Mario Maker is a few updates and DLC away from being perfect.
Mario Maker is a few updates and DLC away from being perfect.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Then why does almost every 2D Mario (SMB3 being the big exception) have mid-level checkpoints? I doubt most would call the stages in those games too long or too difficult.
Difficult Mario Maker levels are extremely fun, checkpoints are a godsend so I don´t have to repeat hard parts I already proved I can beat.
balladofwindfishes
Member
In official levels, checkpoints serve as a massive relief and usually come after larger, challenging parts. Or right before large, challenging parts.
The NSMB series would be an absolute chore if they designed their levels to not need checkpoints. Most of the late game stages basically require them to not be obnoxious.
A lot of levels in SMM would have been vastly improved with checkpoints. There wasn't anything wrong with the level design, they just had a few challenging areas or some time consuming part, and death was too much of a punishment, while adding a checkpoint would be a little bit of breathing room for error.
Oni Link 666
Member
Awesome! The tiered powerups in my favorite. I never wanted to do powerups without it. I just ended up always putting a mushroom at the beginning and then a flower near the middle of the stage or something. I'm going to update all my levels with this.
Checkpoints are nice, I guess. But I'm only going to use them on a few levels. I don't make maze levels or anything. Unless it's a ghost house, I guess. The full length of a course is not long enough to need a checkpoint in if you're just making a regular obstacle course Mario level.
Play my levels! https://miiverse.nintendo.net/users/Oni_Link/posts
Checkpoints are nice, I guess. But I'm only going to use them on a few levels. I don't make maze levels or anything. Unless it's a ghost house, I guess. The full length of a course is not long enough to need a checkpoint in if you're just making a regular obstacle course Mario level.
Play my levels! https://miiverse.nintendo.net/users/Oni_Link/posts
Just noticed the HUGE mystery mushroom next to the event levels !!!!
New costumes come hereeee =D
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Just noticed the HUGE mystery mushroom next to the event levels !!!!
New costumes come hereeee =D
Nintendo are dicks, one of them will be Wonder Red as he won't make it into Smash.