TRUE ORDER
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Full price obviously, don't you remember what happened with SFV?
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Marvel Vs. Capcom: Infinite Characters and Stages Roster Discussion Thread
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lucebuce12
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It's a full 60$ game. There's also a Deluxe Edition which includes 6 premium costumes and 6 new characters for 90$.
bangbang i'm a timpani
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your avatar is a perfect quote for this price
You can always wait a little bit. I have a feeling this game will drop in price quickly.
Ultron QCB+2P is a command grab super. It indeed deals smallish damage and leaves them in a crumple for a combo after.
lucebuce12
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Yeah, you'll definitely be able to get this game for a good price at Black Friday. I'm contemplating doing that if the game does indeed turn out to be good.
Damnit, this is dumb. There wasn't anything wrong with Level 3s being unscaled and it incentivized them beyond just overkilling someone. Well, I guess the Storm to Level 3 thing makes a little bit more sense now, but I'd hate for them just to be something you use the rest of your Storm meter on but never for any other reason.
Nice!
roflwaffles
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Super curious to see how this performs sales-wise, as its currently the bane of the gaming internet right now.
Before the backlash I figured it could hit it's meager 2 million shipped projections on the Marvel brand alone. Now I'm not so sure.
They really should have delayed this game because 1) visuals are extremely important to both casual players and the hardcore and 2) the SFV backlash needed to settle down some more before they really started pushing this game. If people's perception of Capcom is that they do half-assed work and try to bleed consumers dry the ugliness of MvCI and the roster leak weren't going to do anything to dissuade that notion.
Who knows, though. I do believe a strong enough marketing campaign, which SFV didn't have, could cancel out the bad word of mouth but I don't think Capcom is willing to spend that kind of money.
All of Capcom's marketing budget went towards the Ultron Sigma statue at E3.
Maybe they can take it on tour and stick it out front of some GameStops and Best Buys.
Eventhubs tomorrow: "More MVCI leaks as NeoGaf's Ryce reveals where the budget went"
Remember last year after sfv when they said they would delay games if they had to for quality? They never learn.
Jawmuncher
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It does kind of feel like capcom heard only "story and arcade) criticism on SFV and that was it
shadowstar
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Was also ridiculous in SVC.
Doctrine Dark
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All I can say is I hope Capcom has a trick up their sleeve....if things are really as bad as they look. I fear for this game's future. You can tell after the SFV debacle, people were waiting for the floor to collapse. Capcom gave those people all the ammunition they needed after that E3 conference. This game is looked at as a terrible joke by a lot of people. I wonder if Capcom can actually recover from this.
JeTmAn81
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If you're down to your last character and you need a kill, then a level 3 makes sense. I hope you can still get a pickup into a level 1 or even a full combo after it like you could with some level 3's in UMVC3. Also, if level 3's have invincibility they'll be useful as reversals.
I was reading Age of Ultron the other day again, and i just cannot stand how so much super heroes are in there and not even half of them are in this game. Im just two-pages you can look at:
Taskmaster
Ultron
Vision
Luke Cage
Spiderman
Captain America
She-hulk
Sue Storm
Red Hulk
Black Phanter
MoonKnight
Iron Man
Jessica Drew
Emma Frost
Wolverine
Beast
Thor
Valkyrie
Black Widow
Doctor Strange
Hawkeye
Nick Fury
Hank Pym
Iron Fist
That kree-guy who was a genius (don't remember his name)
Ms. Marvel
MODOK
Ka-zar
Polaris
Cyclops
I mean, just a though
Taskmaster
Ultron
Vision
Luke Cage
Spiderman
Captain America
She-hulk
Sue Storm
Red Hulk
Black Phanter
MoonKnight
Iron Man
Jessica Drew
Emma Frost
Wolverine
Beast
Thor
Valkyrie
Black Widow
Doctor Strange
Hawkeye
Nick Fury
Hank Pym
Iron Fist
That kree-guy who was a genius (don't remember his name)
Ms. Marvel
MODOK
Ka-zar
Polaris
Cyclops
I mean, just a though
JeTmAn81
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My point is that, people think ones who don't like the game its because the roster of something. And that its factually true. My problem isn't about having less characters, its about having almost the sames of the previous game.
I think you can make an entire roster of characters who wheren't in the previous game and they where really requested. I personally think that Ghost Rider and Firebrand where really good additions to the series. Because they where unique and unexpected at least.
I think you can make an entire roster of characters who wheren't in the previous game and they where really requested. I personally think that Ghost Rider and Firebrand where really good additions to the series. Because they where unique and unexpected at least.
I mean...SFV and MvCI are still going to get played and have presences at major events, regardless, but that much is obvious. I just wouldn't count on Capcom greenlighting anymore new fighting games after this for a good, long while, though (if ever again).
I enjoy busting Capcom's ball as much as the next guy but this games become a more viral joke than I ever thought.
On one hand you have huge twitch streamers (15,000+ subs) referencing it (Moonmoon_OW): https://clips.twitch.tv/PunchyOilyRamenSoBayed?tt_medium=clips_api&tt_content=url
Then you've got PewDiePies new avatar:
And finally people are running with the "on disc dlc" meme as fact based on that leak zip file image even though they might be and most likely are unfinished story mode models.
Any advantage this game had being a post-MCU Marvel game has been thoroughly nullified by the word of mouth.
On one hand you have huge twitch streamers (15,000+ subs) referencing it (Moonmoon_OW): https://clips.twitch.tv/PunchyOilyRamenSoBayed?tt_medium=clips_api&tt_content=url
Then you've got PewDiePies new avatar:
And finally people are running with the "on disc dlc" meme as fact based on that leak zip file image even though they might be and most likely are unfinished story mode models.
Any advantage this game had being a post-MCU Marvel game has been thoroughly nullified by the word of mouth.
You under-estimate the success of CPT.
Street Fighter VI will happen, it's just a matter of whether or not they can shake these aspersions from casual fans before then.
Jawmuncher
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Even if the CPT and EVO stuff is fairly lucrative money wise. No comapny want to sit on the low sales to do so. They need to find a better balance in appealing to both crowds than they have been.
Since a capcom fighter is looked at as a big deal. So it can sit in the same light as something like KoF that can kinda get away with weaker presentation.
This is just awful, wtf is this guy going off of?
shadowstar
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It'll be another dead series for Capcom.
Vs games and Street Fighter will join:
Mega Man
Breath of Fire (ugh...)
DMC (maybe?)
Dino Crisis
Power Stone
Rival Schools
Darkstalkers
Cyberbots
Final Fight
Ghost and Goblins
Lost Planet
Okami
Onimusha
Viewtiful Joe
and others less successful.
Not all of those were hits, but there are great games in that list. There are so many great characters and noteworthy IP in there, yet they shoot themselves in the foot over and over with terrible business (and sometimes development) decisions.
Vs games and Street Fighter will join:
Mega Man
Breath of Fire (ugh...)
DMC (maybe?)
Dino Crisis
Power Stone
Rival Schools
Darkstalkers
Cyberbots
Final Fight
Ghost and Goblins
Lost Planet
Okami
Onimusha
Viewtiful Joe
and others less successful.
Not all of those were hits, but there are great games in that list. There are so many great characters and noteworthy IP in there, yet they shoot themselves in the foot over and over with terrible business (and sometimes development) decisions.
They drew up that 28 character roster and said to themselves "These are the characters all the fans want"
You know there's a disconnect between developers and fans when Nemesis and Arthur make it in over Wesker, Phoenix Wright, and Haggar
It's a miracle Capcom hasn't fucked up Ace Attorney yet. Hopefully that franchise doesn't get effected by Capcom's bad decision making any time soon
r/kappa comments say he was asked what kind of commentators he likes. He replied that he likes guys who are less esports and more off-the-cuff/straight-from-the-heart.
This led to someone in chat asking what he thinks of IFC yipes, leading to the clip above. I can watch the full archive and corroborate but feeling lazy.
EDIT: Maybe I misread your question. I don't exactly know if Yipes said this. He might be confusing his tweets for someone else's
Moonmoon's no Seagull but he's pretty good as far as Overwatch streamers go.
The fuck is the context on this? Because all I see is a shitty twitch streamer trying to make fun of someone that is actually entertaining with this own style and failing.
So you think Street Fighter is now a dead franchise?
Yeah, I'm thinking he's mocking something Yipes said and that doesn't sound like Yipes at all.
Dunno why he's mocking the way Yipes talks, greatly so might I add and making shit up.
To play devil's advocate I can see someone assuming all Yipes does is make gutteral noises if all they've seen is that Marvel 2 curleh mustache video.
But if anyone's seen Yipes in the last 3-4 years they'd know he can be articulate if he chooses to be. I didn't even know Moonmoon had any knowledge of fighting games, much less any interest, but clearly he does if he knows about the MvCI drama. So I'm as clueless as any.
Maybe he goes to r/kappa and read and bought into the Yipes, Champ, Wong shilling narrative but I really don't expect one of the biggest overwatch streamers to do that. Who knows he may be a closet fighting game nerd.
But if anyone's seen Yipes in the last 3-4 years they'd know he can be articulate if he chooses to be. I didn't even know Moonmoon had any knowledge of fighting games, much less any interest, but clearly he does if he knows about the MvCI drama. So I'm as clueless as any.
Maybe he goes to r/kappa and read and bought into the Yipes, Champ, Wong shilling narrative but I really don't expect one of the biggest overwatch streamers to do that. Who knows he may be a closet fighting game nerd.
kusanagi1777
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Don't know if it's been posted but here's another desk combo video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZfbjRHaIWw
SneakersSO
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Honestly? Who really knows if it ever will. Like depending on how things go this next year or two for both fighting games & fighting games they produce, I dunno if i'd want to make another fighting game ever if I were Capcom.
christiankid7
Member
Umm.....we don't know that yet?
I don't know if Street Fighter 6 will happen or not, but if it does I don't see it happening for a long time.
I know one thing though: some people (like Giant bomb) say only the even numbered Street Fighters are good and if the next one happens it'll be a return to form, but seeing the current state of Capcom and their fighting games SF6 will have like Melty Blood level production values, even if the gameplay is like Jesus' tits.
I know one thing though: some people (like Giant bomb) say only the even numbered Street Fighters are good and if the next one happens it'll be a return to form, but seeing the current state of Capcom and their fighting games SF6 will have like Melty Blood level production values, even if the gameplay is like Jesus' tits.
shadowstar
Member
When I look at the sales, I don't see how we will get another one unless Super SFV does a lot to get people in. Going by the way people perceive Capcom, I'm willing to bet consumers will think it's a paid update without ever bothering to learn more.
I take it that Giant Bomb didn't like SFIII.
BassForever
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Isn't sf3 loved by the hardcore fgc but hated by the masses for it's "bad roster" ie all new characters no fan favorites.
Well obviously it can't, since it's drawing heavy criticism from casual observers who frankly don't understand the market or what it takes to be a good fighting game beyond the superficial.
My solution is to go full esports and eschew the casuals entirely, provide cheaper games or launch their games as a free service with a mind to sell extra content - like Killer Instinct on PC.
The other way is to recognize where they've been criticized and develop Street Fighter VI, which I think will exist based on the success of CPT if nothing else, as a "comeback" game designed to address the concerns of casuals.
It's very divisive WITHIN the FGC.
It's not hard to find people who think it's the best Street Fighter, and people who think it's the worst.
Generally, but there are some in the FGC who don't like the game (you can somewhat see this in FGC-GAF).
Also at the time it never showed up on mainstream consoles. It's why SF2 can get Ultra edition while a pass w/ half SF3 chars is rumored to have Sagat/Sakura anchoring them.
(I would also be one of those who doesn't like how it plays.)
I think Jeff was being tongue-in-cheek, but I've heard more than a handful of people say that SF3 is overrated due to nostalgia.
When the game came out it was despised, almost killed the series, and third strike matches then and even now often start with both opponents standing full screen whiffing normals to gain bars. Also the game lacked any useful zoning besides Remy.
Doctrine Dark
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The only thing that could alter the perception are mind-blowing additions to the roster. The gameplay being good isn't enough for the majority of people Capcom is looking to sell the game to. The story doesn't look that great, so what exactly is going to rope people in?
I don't even care about the roster anymore because I like what I see from the gameplay. That's me, though. I wonder what Capcom is thinking when they see the reception to this game.
I don't even care about the roster anymore because I like what I see from the gameplay. That's me, though. I wonder what Capcom is thinking when they see the reception to this game.
I think zoning complaints are something that modern developers vastly misunderstand how to address.
People who are both paying attention and know what they're looking at?
Their partners are getting bigger and bigger. They're doing good numbers on Cable TV. CPT has grown year over year in such a way that there's no plausible reason for them to shut things down because SFV has only sold 1.6 million copies. They will replace it eventually.
Particularly since the community is more engaged than most and they'll easily and successfully sell DLC for years.